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FlaShFTW
United States10212 Posts
On November 12 2024 02:01 sharkie wrote: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1855996134021313021?t=dDhfSP4j6KN-noPSn8rJGA&s=19 There is one of the points missing for Liverpool and Klopp. And suddenly city and pep have earned one title less Unsurprising. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
As I’ve departed most social media at this point, very few places to moan about it :p Gyorkeres is 26, which I think may give the big boys some pause. Not the age specifically, but he’s kind of exploded relatively recently. His performances, or well at least his raw numbers were previously respectable but nothing outstanding. Whereas someone like Haaland basically excelled at every step of his career trajectory, and kept doing so every time he stepped up a level. This doesn’t necessarily preclude Gyorkeres actually being the real deal, and it just took him longer to find his level and rhythm. But there’s many a player who’ve had one or two really hot streak seasons that turn out to be the outliers in their career. You can absolutely take that risk, but it is something of a risk. Especially as: 1) Man United say, need an oven-ready, top centre forward who can hit the ground running. They’ve twice now spent decent money on some talented, but raw options. They may yet come good, but I feel they’d potentially be taking a risk a third time when they need a sure thing 2) He won’t be coming cheap. We’re in an era where high potential, or a few good seasons commands the kinds of price tag of a proven, decorated world-class player a decade or so ago. So you do have more incentive to get it right. I’m not being down on the lad, he seems a great talent, but I do think these kind of things are being considered. Or at least should be | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
On November 12 2024 02:01 sharkie wrote: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1855996134021313021?t=dDhfSP4j6KN-noPSn8rJGA&s=19 There is one of the points missing for Liverpool and Klopp. And suddenly city and pep have earned one title less What did he even say? I just gave up after about 8 articles did that thing I really fucking hate in saying ‘a video, shared on social media appeared to show Coote making derogatory comments’, while not saying what they actually were. I’ll reserve at least some judgement pending that, I think it’s very bad for optics, and likely makes his position untenable. I think it’s bad for the appearance of competitive fairness, but emphasis is strongly put on the appearance part. Referees aren’t robots, but can they set aside various things and do their job impartially is really the question. I see some parallels with the BBC and especially its politics/current affairs division. They’re obligated to be impartial in coverage, and the expression of their own positions publicly, even away from the job itself. Opinions on the efficacy of this vary, but I think most sensible people agree that these people aren’t actually politically impartial, and it’s a matter of can their professional standards circumvent that. I think the only real way to actually judge this is for another panel of refs to re-watch potentially affected matches. Let’s say hypothetically Coote is like, Mr professional pride. Being a good ref is number 1 for him. Such types can maybe perform at their least biased, or indeed overcompensate to try and not be biased, leads to them being biased against their own sympathies. Alternatively, his bias has lead to bad performances and he’s let them negatively impact that team. Or, he’s broadly performed as well when officiating Liverpool as any other team and there’s no measurable difference. I know it certainly looks bad, and probably makes things untenable for sure. But any talk of altering past results you’ve got to actually show that the individual’s biases affected his performance, rather than just existing | ||
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DropBear
Australia4371 Posts
Calls Liverpool shit, calls Klopp a c*** and an arrogant fuck who he tries to avoid talking to. Then said "James Milner is alright though". Finished off with "My God, German c***, fuck me". The video finishes with the guy filming going "long story short, Jurgen Klopp's a c***, Liverpool are all fucking bell-ends and we hate scousers" | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
I’ve not really an issue there until it went into a more general Liverpool /Scouser rant. That’s piss poor. I still don’t think it’s necessarily impacted anything on the field, so it’s worth ascertaining that. But there’s no way he can remain in that position either | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10212 Posts
On November 14 2024 01:05 WombaT wrote: Cheers DropBear! I’ve not really an issue there until it went into a more general Liverpool /Scouser rant. That’s piss poor. I still don’t think it’s necessarily impacted anything on the field, so it’s worth ascertaining that. But there’s no way he can remain in that position either It's honestly not that big of a deal in a vacuum. Refs can dislike or like people. He could hate Pep or Man City too but hasn't spoken about it in public or in a video like the one released. But obviously, we need to hold these refs to a high standard when there's so much money on the line and millions are watching. Also the fact that Liverpool's win percentage drops by 14% or something when he refs us is a little bit eye opening. Not sure if there's even a statistical significance considering a small sample size but it's still note worthy. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28695 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
On November 14 2024 05:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean that might also just explain why he thinks they're cunts. If he referees them and they perform much worse (and maybe he also has made a couple bad calls) then tbh they're likely to behave worse towards him than towards other referees, and he's likely to experience them in a worse way than he experiences other teams because he keeps running into them when they're at their worst behavior. I could correctly be fired if I was filmed on social media saying my boss was a piece of shit, I may even be right! But if I’m doing my job and don’t get caught giving my actual opinions, it doesn’t necessarily impact on my professional performance | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28695 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
On November 14 2024 07:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: I don't mind him being fired or suspended or whatever, I understand why a referee can't badmouth a team like this. I just don't think it actually has to be indicative of any actual refreeing bias. Stop copying my position :p | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On November 14 2024 05:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean that might also just explain why he thinks they're cunts. If he referees them and they perform much worse (and maybe he also has made a couple bad calls) then tbh they're likely to behave worse towards him than towards other referees, and he's likely to experience them in a worse way than he experiences other teams because he keeps running into them when they're at their worst behavior. its not "maybe he also has made a couple bad calls", he made bad calls in Klopp's games 100%, at least one was even confirmed by English refereeing body | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
It’s been like twice now where I was sorta getting into the CL and those stories. Then it’s an international break. Could we not carve out a bigger international break and have it in some kind of off-season? I think both sets of competitions suffer from this. You adjust, you start to get into x competition and it’s gone, then you have to rebuild enthusiasm next time. We had a pretty impactful CL gameweek last time out, why not have at least one more consecutive game week? I’m a little more radical than most and tbh I’d prefer to see a big mid season break and push basically all internationals in there. I think it would give us time to reset and focus and be more enthused | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28695 Posts
On November 14 2024 07:14 sharkie wrote: its not "maybe he also has made a couple bad calls", he made bad calls in Klopp's games 100%, at least one was even confirmed by English refereeing body Which again isn't indicative of any refereeing bias. That's actually a really good explanation for why he might think Klopp is an arrogant cunt - seems likely that he made a mistake which angered Klopp to the point of having a huge outburst towards him. Perfectly logical, tbh. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25862 Posts
Otherwise I don’t care. Fans whine non, non, non stop about various refereeing conspiracies constantly. Referees get fucking dog’s abuse, constantly. Not just from fans, but from managers and players. Expecting this not to annoy them is insane. His crime is venting It’s not Calciopoli. If it can be shown that there’s actual corruption, fair enough. Until that can be shown, I think his position is untenable but explicable, and there isn’t yet proof of actual sporting impropriety | ||
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DropBear
Australia4371 Posts
There's a new David Coote video, this time of him snorting "white powder" during the Euros just gone. PGMOL have acknowledged they've seen it and "investigation continues". | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On November 14 2024 07:15 WombaT wrote: Also is it just me or is the calendar especially shit this year? It’s been like twice now where I was sorta getting into the CL and those stories. Then it’s an international break. Could we not carve out a bigger international break and have it in some kind of off-season? I think both sets of competitions suffer from this. You adjust, you start to get into x competition and it’s gone, then you have to rebuild enthusiasm next time. We had a pretty impactful CL gameweek last time out, why not have at least one more consecutive game week? I’m a little more radical than most and tbh I’d prefer to see a big mid season break and push basically all internationals in there. I think it would give us time to reset and focus and be more enthused Id also say that everyone would profit from bigger blocks of national team breaks.. i mean everyone apart from tv stations haha | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6972 Posts
Also half the squad won't be there anyway | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10212 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4371 Posts
On November 15 2024 02:25 FlaShFTW wrote: Damn China managed to beat Bahrain. Maybe we don't suck. Group C is really tight, apart from Japan steamrolling. Realistically 4 teams are in the running for that second spot Uzbekistan are outright second in Group A, would be a first time qualification for them if they manage to hold on | ||
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