EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 35
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{CC}StealthBlue
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WombaT
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Lycanthroptime AI
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 26 2023 18:59 WombaT wrote: Not really equivalent situations though to be fair Yeah people forgetting how bad this situation at there club was and how much they fucked over Leeds and such when they stayed up by like 1 point or whatever it was lol. They are currently being sued by those clubs. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On October 27 2023 03:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah people forgetting how bad this situation at there club was and how much they fucked over Leeds and such when they stayed up by like 1 point or whatever it was lol. They are currently being sued by those clubs. Everton’s is the equivalent of a company exposing their books transparently to a regulator and getting fined or otherwise for the state of them. City have been cooking their books via every method under the sun and will fight you tooth and nail with lawyers every second of every day for years Honestly I think FFP, and individual league regulation saved a hell of a lot of clubs from going out of existence when COVID hit. Think of how much a giant like Barca struggled, or clubs down the pyramid. Now imagine that without like a decade+ of at least some spending controls. Like Leeds tumbling down from the heights of a Champions League semi, down the leagues and taking near 2 decades to recover into being a top flight team again. I have a lot of sympathy for Everton and their fans here don’t get me wrong but I think the alternative looks even worse. It’s not like regulators haven’t tried to go after City either, and it’s not like the Premier League didn’t try to block the Newcastle takeover until this country’s government intervened. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4385 Posts
He will be back at the start of next season but still.... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 27 2023 03:16 WombaT wrote: Everton’s is the equivalent of a company exposing their books transparently to a regulator and getting fined or otherwise for the state of them. City have been cooking their books via every method under the sun and will fight you tooth and nail with lawyers every second of every day for years Honestly I think FFP, and individual league regulation saved a hell of a lot of clubs from going out of existence when COVID hit. Think of how much a giant like Barca struggled, or clubs down the pyramid. Now imagine that without like a decade+ of at least some spending controls. Like Leeds tumbling down from the heights of a Champions League semi, down the leagues and taking near 2 decades to recover into being a top flight team again. I have a lot of sympathy for Everton and their fans here don’t get me wrong but I think the alternative looks even worse. It’s not like regulators haven’t tried to go after City either, and it’s not like the Premier League didn’t try to block the Newcastle takeover until this country’s government intervened. You are being a bit blinded by this, Everton broke the rules very very badly, before covid and after covid they are still losing tremendous amounts of money and breaking the ffp rules. If they throw the 12 points deduction at Everton, then good luck to Man City if they are found guilty because they will be fucked so much more. Everton were referred by the Premier League to an independent commission in March following an audit of all top-flight clubs’ financial records for the 2021-22 season. The details of the charge have not been disclosed but are believed to relate to a tax issue connected to loans for Everton’s new stadium at Bramley-Moore dock. This is what triggered the big independent review, some dodgy tax they used on the stadium, on top of staggering loses of over £380 million in the last 5 years on there accounts. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On October 28 2023 03:13 Pandemona wrote: You are being a bit blinded by this, Everton broke the rules very very badly, before covid and after covid they are still losing tremendous amounts of money and breaking the ffp rules. If they throw the 12 points deduction at Everton, then good luck to Man City if they are found guilty because they will be fucked so much more. This is what triggered the big independent review, some dodgy tax they used on the stadium, on top of staggering loses of over £380 million in the last 5 years on there accounts. They’re losing money through horrendous mismanagement, are in breach of the rules and will likely get some kind of punishment. My point is people like ‘what about City?’ are conflating two different things. Everton’s case is basically ‘we fucked up, here are our books that show we fucked up Mr/Ms regulator.’ City have been actively cooking their books for quite some time, it’s common knowledge, but proving such a well funded, well-connected machine has been doing so is quite another kettle of fish. I mean karmically it’s not fair, but if a criminal prosecutor has two folks awaiting trial, they know instinctively they’re both guilty and one confesses, they’re not going to go ‘hold on punishing that person until we nail the other one otherwise it’s not fair’. | ||
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Pandemona
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sharkie
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
As a fan of a team that will never win the Premier League or get close, I don't find Man City's spending any more or less problematic than Man United's. Smaller teams cannot compete financially with either of them. FFP isn't about fairness/parity. There are many teams that overspend in the hope future payouts will pay for that debt, either by getting promoted or qualifying for the Champions League. More teams do this than can be successful so it leads to teams like Derby almost ceasing to exist. P.s. I hate Disney for romanticisng Wrexham doing this in the National League. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On October 28 2023 15:57 Melliflue wrote: Whether you think Everton or Man City is worse probably depends on what you think the FFP rules are for. Man City gained a competitive advantage. Everton put themselves in serious financial difficulty. If FFP rules exist to prevent clubs going bust then Everton was worse. As a fan of a team that will never win the Premier League or get close, I don't find Man City's spending any more or less problematic than Man United's. Smaller teams cannot compete financially with either of them. FFP isn't about fairness/parity. There are many teams that overspend in the hope future payouts will pay for that debt, either by getting promoted or qualifying for the Champions League. More teams do this than can be successful so it leads to teams like Derby almost ceasing to exist. P.s. I hate Disney for romanticisng Wrexham doing this in the National League. It’s City, let’s be real. They’ve been actively trying to circumvent regulation and the leaked emails exposed quite how much contempt they have for the rules and regulatory process. Everton are reminiscent of Leeds under Ridsdale, they overshot and have been burned badly, and are likely to be burned much further through miscalculation. But there’s no particular malice in it, assume incompetence before it and all that. I do actually agree with City’s base position that FFP effectively copper fastens the existing elite clubs as being the perpetual elite clubs. I think that’s a completely accurate observation. On the flip side we diverge massively because they just want to spend spend spend for their sportswashing project, where for me it makes a much stronger case for absolute, and not relative expenditure caps. Something I think a lot of stakeholders in football would actually like. The fans for competitive parity, but also the businesspeople who actually would like to make some annual operating profit on their investment into the industry. Which generally doesn’t happen because continual salary inflation just swallows it up, and football is effectively an MLM where the only bucks to be made are selling the club to the next guy | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On October 28 2023 06:41 Pandemona wrote: Well its top 5 get champs league so that isnt as big of a problem, but still yes be some people missing out if they dont pick up the pace! Is it actually now? I thought it was top 4 + another if a club wins the thing, has that changed for the upcoming season? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On October 28 2023 22:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Brentford just beat Chelsea... Pandemona is probably going apeshit right now lol We're deep in the the depression stage of things. [Richard Jolly] In the last seven months, Brentford have won twice as many Premier League games at Stamford Bridge as Chelsea have (2-1). It's almost too fucking funny to be true e: giggles [Squawka] Thomas Frank (2) has now won more Premier League games at Stamford Bridge in 2023 than Maurico Pochettino and Frank Lampard combined (1). | ||
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sharkie
Austria18746 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Vs Spurs and City next two games im more confident of seeing positives results than that one as Spurs and City wont sit back against us. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
The fuck is happening there? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
On October 28 2023 23:43 Pandemona wrote: Its not that, its the way we play, we cannot break down a team that comes and sits 11 behind the ball and counters us, we dont take the chances we create which aren't the easiest as we cant break teams down. Today we miss a lot of players again due to injuries so we had nothing to come and change. Vs Spurs and City next two games im more confident of seeing positives results than that one as Spurs and City wont sit back against us. What doesn't make sense to me is why the big teams don't just sit with 11 behind the ball against Chelsea. Shit, Spurs would tear you apart with their counter attack. Can't see it happening though. Its just... its such an obvious and glaring weakness with Chelsea at the moment. | ||
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