EPT2020 - 2021 Football Thread - Page 119
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Jockmcplop
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clusen
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On April 26 2021 15:57 mahrgell wrote: Bayern now officially requested negotiations with Nagelsmann, but Leipzig is asking for 30m. That would be quite a deal for a coach... Pretty sure they already negotiated with Nagelsmann, who has asked RB to let him out of his contract. According to rumours the deal is basically done for 23 million. | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LJ3302
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Not convinced by their Dortmund game despite sportsbetting3.com having them as clear favorites. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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TerransHill
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gTank
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 27 2021 17:48 gTank wrote: I think it is a mistake to go to Bayern, they have this ugly mentality that everyone there thinks he knows way better, see the relationship of Flick who won the triple to the rest of the management staff (Brazo especially). Sooner or later this will not work out and they will kick him. Might be okay financially to do this though. I do think Nagelsmann is able to deal with this though. After all, you have to decide what is good for the club and not what is good for the coach. I don't want to say that our management didn't make mistakes with Flick, but they try to make the best decisions for the club and they have done a good job in the past. Huge respect for Flick, but I think his behaviour was unprofessional in the end. | ||
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RKC
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But Bayern's dominance is really a joke. Germany may have well-run clubs on theory and paper because of the 50+1 rule. But is the Bundesliga any fairer than the other big leagues? In fact, for all the criticism against the money-spinners in EPL and La Liga, at least their leagues are more competitive and unpredictable in recent seasons. (Edit: Something is really wrong when even top players from close rivals have no hesitation jumping to Bayern. Pulling off a 'Figo' would be unthinkable in any other top league. It's not healthy for football if all roads lead to Munich) Happy for Nagelsmann, sad for football. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
bayern is guaranteed to be strong in europe so at least germany always has a strong european presence. germany also has a big enough footballing population that it can have decent players filling up the rest of the league + have enough talent to send overseas to the other leagues. if the bundesliga has aspirations to be epl/laliga level then its bad luck for them, but for german players, german national team and european performances i dont see what the big problem is. i guess if youre a bundesliga fan only and refuse to watch other leagues then it may be a bit boring | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 27 2021 19:19 RKC wrote: I'm a big fan of Nagelsmann since his Hoffenheim days. Slightly sad that he left for Leipzig. Even sadder now he's jumped to Bayern. I feel happy for him, of course. And wish him well there, and in many years to come. But Bayern's dominance is really a joke. Germany may have well-run clubs on theory and paper because of the 50+1 rule. But is the Bundesliga any fairer than the other big leagues? In fact, for all the criticism against the money-spinners in EPL and La Liga, at least their leagues are more competitive and unpredictable in recent seasons. (Edit: Something is really wrong when even top players from close rivals have no hesitation jumping to Bayern. Pulling off a 'Figo' would be unthinkable in any other top league. It's not healthy for football if all roads lead to Munich) Happy for Nagelsmann, sad for football. The thing is there is not really a close rival in the Bundesliga. The only real rivalry that I can think of is Schalke - BVB, and that will be gone aswell next season because Schalke gets relegated Otherwise, Bundesliga is more like a pyramid, with Bayern at the top and all the players want to go there. Everyone is taking the players from the level below. Frankfurt -> Gladbach -> BVB -> Bayern for example. Just have a look at the coach transfers_ Hütter (Frankfurt) to Gladbach Rose (Gladbach) to Dortmund Nagelsmann went from Hoffenheim to Leipzig to Bayern | ||
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gTank
Austria2662 Posts
On April 27 2021 17:56 TerransHill wrote: I do think Nagelsmann is able to deal with this though. After all, you have to decide what is good for the club and not what is good for the coach. I don't want to say that our management didn't make mistakes with Flick, but they try to make the best decisions for the club and they have done a good job in the past. Huge respect for Flick, but I think his behaviour was unprofessional in the end. With all due respect to Bayern management but they didnt handle this properly at all. The best coach they could have gotten, which gave them the triple, the logical thing to do then is to drive that guy away with the "mia san mia" mentality, pointing fingers at him when things dont go well? Also, bringing players he didnt ask for or didnt get the players he wanted. It looks awful and looks like hurt egos more than professionallity. €: yeah, you have no second club in germany that could compete with Bayern in the long run, and them buying talents from the other teams first is ensuring this will not change in the next 10-20 years. | ||
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RKC
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Gotze and Lewandoski jumping ship really epitomizes the 'rot'. And now Dortmund is slowly slipping down. Leipzeig's skyrocketing ascension is fueled by money. No close rival at sight. Well done, FC Hollywood! Edit: By 'close rival, I mean purely from recent footballing results at the highest level. Not neighbourly or traditional rivals (Liv v Everton, Liv/Arse v MU). | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:39 RKC wrote: Dortmund has been Bayern's closest rival in last decade or so. Gotze and Lewandoski jumping ship really epitomizes the 'rot'. And now Dortmund is slowly slipping down. Leipzeig's skyrocketing ascension is fueled by money. No close rival at sight. Well done, FC Hollywood! Edit: By 'close rival, I mean purely from recent footballing results at the highest level. Not neighbourly or traditional rivals (Liv v Everton, Liv/Arse v MU). As if Bayern cares about bringing down their national "competiton". They care about having a good team and good international results. More national competition would acutally be benefictial to them. BVB just bought the coach of Gladbach, in fact BVB is the club that buys the most players from the Bundesliga. So do they just buy them to stay #2 in the Bundesliga and shut down their rivals? If Bayern wouldn't have bought Götze & Lewandowsi, ManU/Real or whoever would have bought them and Bayern would have bought other good players - the result from BVB perspective would have been the same. And as a "close" rival, I would consider only clubs that are competing for a longer time, not only a couple of years. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12132 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:39 RKC wrote: Dortmund has been Bayern's closest rival in last decade or so. Gotze and Lewandoski jumping ship really epitomizes the 'rot'. And now Dortmund is slowly slipping down. Leipzeig's skyrocketing ascension is fueled by money. No close rival at sight. Well done, FC Hollywood! Edit: By 'close rival, I mean purely from recent footballing results at the highest level. Not neighbourly or traditional rivals (Liv v Everton, Liv/Arse v MU). Hasn't been Dortmund going down since the big media crash like 15 years ago? I kinda remember as they had to sell Rosicky to Arsenal and he was a big deal back then(like a good player and not injured most of the time) | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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gTank
Austria2662 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:57 TerransHill wrote: As if Bayern cares about bringing down their national "competiton". They care about having a good team and good international results. More national competition would acutally be benefictial to them. BVB just bought the coach of Gladbach, in fact BVB is the club that buys the most players from the Bundesliga. So do they just buy them to stay #2 in the Bundesliga and shut down their rivals? If Bayern wouldn't have bought Götze & Lewandowsi, ManU/Real or whoever would have bought them and Bayern would have bought other good players - the result from BVB perspective would have been the same. And as a "close" rival, I would consider only clubs that are competing for a longer time, not only a couple of years. I dont believe this, I think Bayern buys out talent from the Bundesliga teams on purpose to make them stop being good. | ||
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RKC
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On April 27 2021 23:57 gTank wrote: I dont believe this, I think Bayern buys out talent from the Bundesliga teams on purpose to make them stop being good. Dortmund tends to buy 'raw diamonds'. They nurture youth players (e.g. Sancho, Bellingham, etc). Are you seriously comparing the 'poaching' between Dortmund and Bayern? There's a big difference between poaching up-and-comers, and proven star players of domestic rivals. Götze & Lewandowsi going to MU or RM is less bad because there's just Dortmund losing out. Bayern doing the poaching means +1 for Bayern and -1 for Dortmund - a double whammy. I'm a fan of Ajax as well. And admittedly, they're dominant in the Dutch league. They may do their fair share of 'poaching', but they operate more like Dortmund (but with more success historically). Edit: Responding to TerransHill actually. Just wanted to add from where gTank left off. | ||
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sharkie
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