On September 22 2020 09:25 Jerubaal wrote: That's a bit of a tautology, isn't it? Lebron wins when he has a good team and only loses when the other team is better?
Lebron's teams have always been evaluated downwards after the fact. This is a consistent method of excuse making. 2009 is a perfect example. You could not have defended the ECF loss during preseason. Spurs loss 2 and GSW loss 1 are similar, but I'd excuse the GSW series because injuries if people would admit that "OMG that Spurs team was a team possessed" is just post hoccing it. The team was old AF, except Kawhi who was still not in his prime. They won because they ran superior offensive and defensive systems. And that he doesn't like running good systems is a consistent and accurate critique of Lebron.Its not that he doesn't play the hero enough, its that the ball doesn't move enough. He bullyballs it every time when it counts.
Oh, and having trouble developing and keeping people around him is another problem. LeGM as his people try to trend it when something good happens. Why did he LeGM Boozer out of town? Why has he never LeGM'd a rookie into something? Shortsightedness was most of CLE's problem in both stints. Not giving into his shortsighted demands is why he left the Heat. Sure, Mike Brown (or is that the author?) is dumb, but that's mostly not relevant to my point. Even with a derpy owner for a lot of the time he had the best team going into the season 6-8 times.
Simply untrue. You can find multiple sites that show historical betting odds, which is probably the least biased way to see how teams were evaluated since people are literally putting their money where there mouth is and you can see both the Spurs and Warriors were the favorites in the finals before they started.
The greatness of the 2014 Spurs was not post hoc'd as you say. Their play was universally acclaimed and widely referred to as "The Beautiful Game" even before they won the championship.
As for LeGM, if your goal is to win championships then being short-sighted is not a criticism. Why should he care about the future of the team? He's not there to develop talent or draft well. He wants to trade off future picks, go deep into luxury tax and put everything into a 3-4 year span where they can make some runs at a championship. Then jump ship to the next team and let the previous team pick up the pieces. It's the end result of a bunch of fans deciding Ringz Erneh is the only metric of greatness worth talking about.
betting odds can sometimes provide a vague indicator. Sometimes betting odds can't even do that. People's perception of what they think is true gets shown in the betting odds. Not what the reality is.
Mike Tyson was perceived as an unstoppable killer going into 1990. In reality, his life was a train wreck. He was a 43 to 1 favourite. He got methodically picked apart over 10 grueling rounds. "The betting public" was clueless.
On September 22 2020 09:25 Jerubaal wrote: That's a bit of a tautology, isn't it? Lebron wins when he has a good team and only loses when the other team is better?
Lebron's teams have always been evaluated downwards after the fact. This is a consistent method of excuse making. 2009 is a perfect example. You could not have defended the ECF loss during preseason. Spurs loss 2 and GSW loss 1 are similar, but I'd excuse the GSW series because injuries if people would admit that "OMG that Spurs team was a team possessed" is just post hoccing it. The team was old AF, except Kawhi who was still not in his prime. They won because they ran superior offensive and defensive systems. And that he doesn't like running good systems is a consistent and accurate critique of Lebron.Its not that he doesn't play the hero enough, its that the ball doesn't move enough. He bullyballs it every time when it counts.
Oh, and having trouble developing and keeping people around him is another problem. LeGM as his people try to trend it when something good happens. Why did he LeGM Boozer out of town? Why has he never LeGM'd a rookie into something? Shortsightedness was most of CLE's problem in both stints. Not giving into his shortsighted demands is why he left the Heat. Sure, Mike Brown (or is that the author?) is dumb, but that's mostly not relevant to my point. Even with a derpy owner for a lot of the time he had the best team going into the season 6-8 times.
Simply untrue. You can find multiple sites that show historical betting odds, which is probably the least biased way to see how teams were evaluated since people are literally putting their money where there mouth is and you can see both the Spurs and Warriors were the favorites in the finals before they started.
The greatness of the 2014 Spurs was not post hoc'd as you say. Their play was universally acclaimed and widely referred to as "The Beautiful Game" even before they won the championship.
As for LeGM, if your goal is to win championships then being short-sighted is not a criticism. Why should he care about the future of the team? He's not there to develop talent or draft well. He wants to trade off future picks, go deep into luxury tax and put everything into a 3-4 year span where they can make some runs at a championship. Then jump ship to the next team and let the previous team pick up the pieces. It's the end result of a bunch of fans deciding Ringz Erneh is the only metric of greatness worth talking about.
My simple rejoinder is "why has Lebron never been a participant in an offense that is a 'beautiful game'?" Why has everyone of his top tier teammates gotten worse with him aside from AD?
Also, the LeGM shortsightedness weakened the 2008-2010 Cavs teams and post-title CLE teams. If you don't think those runs had a title in them, well, IDK.
isn't it Ricky Bobby who said .. "if you're not first... you're last"... actually he probably said " if your not first your last". But, that is being nitpicky.
On September 22 2020 09:25 Jerubaal wrote: That's a bit of a tautology, isn't it? Lebron wins when he has a good team and only loses when the other team is better?
Lebron's teams have always been evaluated downwards after the fact. This is a consistent method of excuse making. 2009 is a perfect example. You could not have defended the ECF loss during preseason. Spurs loss 2 and GSW loss 1 are similar, but I'd excuse the GSW series because injuries if people would admit that "OMG that Spurs team was a team possessed" is just post hoccing it. The team was old AF, except Kawhi who was still not in his prime. They won because they ran superior offensive and defensive systems. And that he doesn't like running good systems is a consistent and accurate critique of Lebron.Its not that he doesn't play the hero enough, its that the ball doesn't move enough. He bullyballs it every time when it counts.
Oh, and having trouble developing and keeping people around him is another problem. LeGM as his people try to trend it when something good happens. Why did he LeGM Boozer out of town? Why has he never LeGM'd a rookie into something? Shortsightedness was most of CLE's problem in both stints. Not giving into his shortsighted demands is why he left the Heat. Sure, Mike Brown (or is that the author?) is dumb, but that's mostly not relevant to my point. Even with a derpy owner for a lot of the time he had the best team going into the season 6-8 times.
Simply untrue. You can find multiple sites that show historical betting odds, which is probably the least biased way to see how teams were evaluated since people are literally putting their money where there mouth is and you can see both the Spurs and Warriors were the favorites in the finals before they started.
The greatness of the 2014 Spurs was not post hoc'd as you say. Their play was universally acclaimed and widely referred to as "The Beautiful Game" even before they won the championship.
As for LeGM, if your goal is to win championships then being short-sighted is not a criticism. Why should he care about the future of the team? He's not there to develop talent or draft well. He wants to trade off future picks, go deep into luxury tax and put everything into a 3-4 year span where they can make some runs at a championship. Then jump ship to the next team and let the previous team pick up the pieces. It's the end result of a bunch of fans deciding Ringz Erneh is the only metric of greatness worth talking about.
My simple rejoinder is "why has Lebron never been a participant in an offense that is a 'beautiful game'?" Why has everyone of his top tier teammates gotten worse with him aside from AD?
Also, the LeGM shortsightedness weakened the 2008-2010 Cavs teams and post-title CLE teams. If you don't think those runs had a title in them, well, IDK.
The current method of (super)team building, which is lumping together ball-dominant all-stars doesn't lend well to the type of selflessness and chemistry needed for that type of game. It also requires a lot of off-the-ball movement and who even knows if LeBron would have the energy to run around without the ball considering how much he already contributes. He's also selfish and needs the stats to add up in his boxscore so he can build his GOAT resume. Also I don't know how much LeGM existed in and prior to 2008-2010. LeBron was 23 years old at the start of the 2008 season, it's hard to imagine the Cavs were letting him call the shots at that age.
Now you're basically asking him to be a fundamentally different player and playing so many games of "what if" that nobody can prove or disprove what you're saying so it may as well be meaningless.
On September 29 2020 07:02 zev318 wrote: doc fired, random as hell
I mean, he's kind of just a sac of potatoes that complains a lot. Not a great coach by any means and they probably had the most disappointing season of any team in the league.
On September 29 2020 07:02 zev318 wrote: doc fired, random as hell
I mean, he's kind of just a sac of potatoes that complains a lot. Not a great coach by any means and they probably had the most disappointing season of any team in the league.
i just thought if they never fired the guy after all the disappointments from the cp3/griffin era, then they wouldnt do it until they bomb out of the playoffs again next season and kawhi/george both leave in FA
On September 29 2020 07:02 zev318 wrote: doc fired, random as hell
I mean, he's kind of just a sac of potatoes that complains a lot. Not a great coach by any means and they probably had the most disappointing season of any team in the league.
i just thought if they never fired the guy after all the disappointments from the cp3/griffin era, then they wouldnt do it until they bomb out of the playoffs again next season and kawhi/george both leave in FA
there needs to be an actual clippers fanbase for there to be an outpouring of support.
Problem is, there is no actual Clippers fanbase. It's a collaboration of Lakers haters and bandwagon Kawhi fans right now. Lob City at least had personality and fun to cheer for superstars. The current Clippers doesn't have any of that.
In Los Angeles they are not a beloved franchise at all. Never have been.
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