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Sybris
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada28 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 18:34:18
November 07 2019 18:32 GMT
#1701
To be fair to Valverde the board has been garbage and his two marquee signings (Coutinho/Dembele) are failures through little fault of his own. I don't think the squad's confidence in him is totally misplaced, Bartomeu has let them down more than anything.

They still need to fix a lot of positions, even left-wing seems a problem as Griezmann can't do much there.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 18:43:37
November 07 2019 18:36 GMT
#1702
Yesterday Griezmann could have played as a center forward with Suarez injured. But still, Valverde placed him in the left wing again. And it annoys me that Messi and Suarez completely ignores Griezmann and they always try to avoid passing to him. It is like they are angry because they wanted Neymar back. But the coach doesnt try to fix that situation.

I don't understand neither why being Alba injured, Firpo is not even called with the team (he was supposed to be Alba sub) and he continues playing Semedo as left wing and Sergi Roberto as right wing. Neither of them are in their natural position.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-08 10:55:09
November 07 2019 18:52 GMT
#1703
Fulham, and Sunderland... one has to wonder if it went directly to Beckham's spam folder.

Former Wales boss Chris Coleman would like to be the first manager of David Beckham’s new MLS franchise Inter Miami, but admits the ex-England captain has been ignoring his efforts to land the job.

The final pieces of a puzzle in Florida are being put together ahead of an expansion outfit joining the ranks among America’s elite in 2020.

Manchester United and Real Madrid legend Beckham, whose first involvement with soccer in the United States came at the LA Galaxy, has a stadium being constructed and players being targeted.

A coach will also be required, with several high-profile figures having already been linked with the post.

Coleman, who has previously spent time working at club level with the likes of Fulham and Sunderland, is eager to throw his name into the ring.

A man who guided Wales to the semi-finals of Euro 2016 has had little joy so far, though, telling The Sun: “I want to go back abroad. The MLS is definitely an interest but it’s hard to get into because it’s such a growing league.

“I’ve left David Beckham a few messages - but he’s just not got back to me!”

Coleman has plenty of experience outside of Britain, having taken in stints with Real Sociedad, AEL and Hebei China Fortune.

Having spent time in Spain, Greece and Asia, the 49-year-old is ready to spread his wings once more.

“There’s only five or six managers in the world that can take a pick and say, ‘I’m going there’. But that’s not me,” Coleman said.


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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1960 Posts
November 07 2019 19:19 GMT
#1704
On November 08 2019 02:24 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
So Wenger, Tuchel, Rangnik, Ten Hag are off the table. Which leaves Mourinho as the last plausible option?

I guess some kind of interim manager route is available too.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 20:06:33
November 07 2019 19:43 GMT
#1705
On November 07 2019 08:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
so with all the Haaland hype, today an even younger player scored a cl hat trick. How good is Rodrygo gonna be? :p

Yeha the goals were pretty good too, Brazilian hype around him and it should be a pretty easy fit into this Real team right now with everyone hating on Bale lol.

Also, Frankfurt followed up their 5-1 demolishing of Bayern with a 2-1 defeat to Standard Liege!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 20:39:00
November 07 2019 20:37 GMT
#1706
On November 08 2019 02:24 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
So Wenger, Tuchel, Rangnik, Ten Hag are off the table. Which leaves Mourinho as the last plausible option?

Most likely option right now seems to be Flick gets to stay until the end of the season if he manages a solid game against Dortmund (he seems well-liked by the players) and then they go for Ten Hag in Summer. But this could all change by next week.We'll see.

Regardless, I don't see Mourinho ending up in Munich.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 21:28:57
November 07 2019 21:21 GMT
#1707
On November 07 2019 17:14 WillyWanker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2019 11:21 Rebs wrote:
On November 07 2019 04:36 sharkie wrote:
On November 07 2019 04:10 Rebs wrote:
Who said anything about players believing they were bigger than the club ?



Willy did

On November 07 2019 01:19 WillyWanker wrote:
Extremely successful and aging players that don't want to make the efforts required to stay at the top, with a coach that has no specific football philosophy nor guts to use authority on those players, and a direction that doesn't want to take risks before the next elections in a couple years; that's current Barça. I feel bad for new-ish recruits that arrived into this like de Jong, Griezmann, or even Dembele (who's not being the most professional, but isn't that also the coach's job to finish educating young players?).

I fear them firing Valverde to get another push over or a coach like Koeman that doesn't exactly play his teams like Barça has in successful eras. Maybe it'd be best to completely fail this year to get a good coach with a clear playstyle that's free of contracts at the end of the season (ten Hag, Gallardo?), and boot the players that think they're bigger than the club.



Oh look at that, he did.

On November 07 2019 09:58 WillyWanker wrote:
On November 07 2019 04:36 sharkie wrote:
On November 07 2019 04:10 Rebs wrote:
Who said anything about players believing they were bigger than the club ?



Willy did


Yeah it's pretty clear that some players have too much power and Valverde doesn't decide much, Piqué being the best example but I'm sure Messi, Suarez, Busquets, Alba have influence on club decisions. How can Piqué come and say they tried to tell the direction to rearrange their pay's scheduling to allow for the Neymar comeback? Or Messi and others campaigning for his return while the direction's clear initial public position was that they weren't considering it (which could obviously be just communication bs, but I don't think so for this case).

Neither Valverde nor Bartomeu seem to have the balls to put players in their place and that's been the biggest issue in my opinion. They lack intensity more than they lack tactical skills (from the coach) or talent (from the new players). This team could easily be top contender for the CL but they play like senators. De Jong's intensity this year vs last season says it all.


I disagree that the player power is to strong. Its more like the management is weak. Big personalities are the same wherever you go. Managing big players is a skill. Its a skill only really good managers have. Thats why Big Sam would still be big Sam whether you gave him a 1billion dollar roster. Thats also why no one ever gave him one.

Creating a system for training and a club environment everyone including your fans, not just players can buy into is literally your entire job description. And Valverde has never had that, this team has been playing this way you see the last few weeks since the very beginning. Its just that the hard carry bailing them out hasnt been as consistent and opposing teams have gotten better and dont fear them anymore and with good reason.

Uh, isn't that the same thing in the end? Players have more power than the direction right now, that's the result of it, however you want to word it. Valverde's first year was decent, but it's getting worse and worse. Last season was Messi and Ter Stegen carrying the whole team to pretty close from an undeserved treble.

Opposing teams might be getting better but that doesn't matter anyway. Barça is the team that pays the highest salaries and their squad should destroy teams like Slavia or Levante as long as they put just a little bit of heart, even without tactical work. The biggest fault is always on the management as they're the ones that can take decisions. However, players are very high on my guilt list. Messi doesn't pass the ball to Griezmann because his buddy Suarez might be benched if the Frenchie starts scoring. That sounds so dumb but I'm pretty sure it's not far from the truth. Or pushing for Neymar in the medias when you know players like Dembélé or Griezmann would take it bad (because that'd mean they'd go on the bench). Piqué is the worst of all, he thinks he's already president.

These guys are very toxic for the club, and I think just replacing the coach will not fix the issue. If that coach doesn't get full support from the direction to remove some of those and to dictate how the team should behave, it doesn't matter if it's Pep or Valverde. Just remember that Pep in his last year wanted to let Piqué, Alves, and Fabregas go because they were not investing themselves enough. That's 7 years ago, imagine how much more entitled those guys are/would be now.

The current squad CAN win the CL, they have so much talent; but with the current setup it'd be a miracle. Maybe I'm too extreme, but to me a situation like this can only be reversed by having the supporters go through big disappointments. I thought the Liverpool + Valencia losses last season would be enough but it wasn't, so maybe they need to go through one terrible season with 0 trophy and with Madrid winning the league or something. Then players won't be able to hide anymore and you'd finally see some big changes..

That said, I wouldn't mind if they fired Valverde right now to see if I can be a bit more optimistic haha



No its not the same thing, I had the same argument when it was Chelsea and Mourinho, at the end of the day a managers job is to win the confidence of his players, it doesnt matter how or who the players are. If he doesnt hes not right for the job. You cant ship half your roster if the players dont buy into what the team in general is doing. Thats the team you have built and it has enough on paper. Use it. Some personale are past it, sure dont disagree there. But

It is funny to watch Messi and Suarez basically try to play with each other all the time though. I feel bad for Greizman.

But again that is more of a coaching problem. If players arent confident in their options they will go to what they trust.

Again the bottom line is that regardless of success the way that team has played from the very start under Valverde has been safe and directionless. That builds up over time and gets you to the staleness you have now. Players should always share the blame when they underperfrom against weaker teams regardless of how bad the coaching is.

I am not concerned about drawing with Prague or losing to Levante, teams can play badly or have a bad run, or whatever. Prage has been good in all their games and held their own against everyone consistently and if you look at Levante those were some pretty sick performances and some pretty shoddy individual moments.

So yeah these games are a problem. But at the same time, they are not really. What is a problem is that your identity is boring and that shows in how invested or rather uninvested the team is in the process.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-07 22:14:03
November 07 2019 22:13 GMT
#1708
On November 08 2019 05:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 02:24 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
So Wenger, Tuchel, Rangnik, Ten Hag are off the table. Which leaves Mourinho as the last plausible option?

Most likely option right now seems to be Flick gets to stay until the end of the season if he manages a solid game against Dortmund (he seems well-liked by the players) and then they go for Ten Hag in Summer. But this could all change by next week.We'll see.

Regardless, I don't see Mourinho ending up in Munich.


I thought about that too. However the season is not even half over and I don't believe Bayern trust Flick to win them the bundesliga in the current situation. It's also very unlike Bayern to keep a coach with zero experience as head coach.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6940 Posts
November 08 2019 10:32 GMT
#1709
On November 08 2019 07:13 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 05:37 Elentos wrote:
On November 08 2019 02:24 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
So Wenger, Tuchel, Rangnik, Ten Hag are off the table. Which leaves Mourinho as the last plausible option?

Most likely option right now seems to be Flick gets to stay until the end of the season if he manages a solid game against Dortmund (he seems well-liked by the players) and then they go for Ten Hag in Summer. But this could all change by next week.We'll see.

Regardless, I don't see Mourinho ending up in Munich.


I thought about that too. However the season is not even half over and I don't believe Bayern trust Flick to win them the bundesliga in the current situation. It's also very unlike Bayern to keep a coach with zero experience as head coach.


Zero experience is a bit exaggerated don't you think? I mean he has ~13 years of experience as 2nd manager in world class football. That has to count for something. Also he is a world champion manager.

Right now all rumors point to Tuchel or ten Hag at the end of the season
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
November 08 2019 10:54 GMT
#1710
Why not both, I don't think they would really trust him or not give him a lot of leeway if he doesn't get results immediately. However the much bigger issue seems to be that no big name is available right now, so they might have no choice.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1960 Posts
November 08 2019 11:38 GMT
#1711
Unless they're making progress with Mou negotiation somehow, it feels like they're taking the Flick gamble and hoping he'll hold together well enough for the remaining season or at least until some candidate becomes available.

Worst case is probably if Mou goes elsewhere and Flick doesn't manage to deliver good enough results (whatever that may be). At that point it might be an awkward alone-on-the-dancefloor situation for Bayern.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18443 Posts
November 08 2019 13:36 GMT
#1712
Pep vs Klopp at home is the one matchup where Pep throws all values of his philosophy away and tries his best not to lose. His one kryptonite
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
November 08 2019 13:59 GMT
#1713
Exeter highlight trending on reddit Gregj

possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 09 2019 02:28 GMT
#1714
On November 08 2019 22:59 sneirac wrote:
Exeter highlight trending on reddit Gregj

https://twitter.com/piercesweenz/status/1192499062995587072

Good job. We've got to be known for something!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2019 13:16 GMT
#1715
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 13:45:20
November 09 2019 13:42 GMT
#1716
Are Chelsea going to find a break through here?

Edit: Yes
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2019 13:56 GMT
#1717
Know full well they weren't debating to VAR that goal. That would have been insane.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2019 14:10 GMT
#1718
Cpt. America scores before being subbed off.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
November 09 2019 14:39 GMT
#1719
Captain America ty <3

We are 5 points behind top spot with Liverpool vs City this weekend, if we get a miracle and City win which i highly doubt with how much pep has shat the bed this season not buying a defensive defender....then we could be a in spot to challenge!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 14:54:39
November 09 2019 14:49 GMT
#1720
I think Chelsea priority is to stay in the top 4. Then hold on to the young talent when the ban is lifted.

edit:

huh?

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