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On August 21 2019 09:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Zeke had like one good solid year. Dak was good because Zeke and O-Line play. They both should just take the money and stop the nonsense. I can see someone being in the league for 5 years asking for more, but not these two. Not yet.
Dude bad take. Have you seen their offense without zeke? totally different and not nearly as good.
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So they play shittier when Zeke isn't in? That's a terrible O-line then.
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On August 21 2019 08:55 JimmiC wrote:
Any RB hold out I can't hate, they take more punishment than anyone else and have short careers. Dak is a odd one because he is still making 4th round money at this point. If he plays this year not great it could cost him huge he should take top 10 money and if they are offering top 5 he should jump at it.
I hate all RB holdouts for exactly this reason. Elite RBs have one enemy, the NFLPA. None of them ever voice their displeasure with the obvious and correct enemy which insisted on the rookie scale to enrich middling vets at the expense of elite young players. Until one does, I have zero respect for them.
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Amari Cooper is the person who should get paid before Zeke and Dak. He saved the Cowboys season last year and has never had off the field problems. Cooper is a younger version of AB without the drama.
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On August 21 2019 22:58 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2019 14:08 cLutZ wrote:On August 21 2019 08:55 JimmiC wrote:
Any RB hold out I can't hate, they take more punishment than anyone else and have short careers. Dak is a odd one because he is still making 4th round money at this point. If he plays this year not great it could cost him huge he should take top 10 money and if they are offering top 5 he should jump at it. I hate all RB holdouts for exactly this reason. Elite RBs have one enemy, the NFLPA. None of them ever voice their displeasure with the obvious and correct enemy which insisted on the rookie scale to enrich middling vets at the expense of elite young players. Until one does, I have zero respect for them. Would you be able to site where no RB has talked to the NFLPA about their issues regarding contacts?
Why would I cite a private conversation? How would one do that. Public criticism is what matters in this case. Players are willing to openly complain about just about everything ( and they are almost always factually incorrect), that they can't make this one, correct public complaint demonstrates their extreme lack of intelligence and self awareness.
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The issue with the Cowboys is that their team is so reliant on a few key players. They are the team I’d point at as being almost too heavily dependent on a couple of guys. And unfortunately each of those players want mega contracts, which would compromise the rest of their team building moving forward. They seemed to barely handle Demarcus Lawrence’s deal, and now they have to pay large for Dak, Zeke and Cooper, while also having to look down the road at signing LVH to a big deal.
Overall, I think players, while they have the right to feel entitled to big payouts, need to look at the big picture and understand that what they want may not be ideal for the team.
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On August 22 2019 01:22 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 01:05 cLutZ wrote:On August 21 2019 22:58 JimmiC wrote:On August 21 2019 14:08 cLutZ wrote:On August 21 2019 08:55 JimmiC wrote:
Any RB hold out I can't hate, they take more punishment than anyone else and have short careers. Dak is a odd one because he is still making 4th round money at this point. If he plays this year not great it could cost him huge he should take top 10 money and if they are offering top 5 he should jump at it. I hate all RB holdouts for exactly this reason. Elite RBs have one enemy, the NFLPA. None of them ever voice their displeasure with the obvious and correct enemy which insisted on the rookie scale to enrich middling vets at the expense of elite young players. Until one does, I have zero respect for them. Would you be able to site where no RB has talked to the NFLPA about their issues regarding contacts? Why would I cite a private conversation? How would one do that. Public criticism is what matters in this case. Players are willing to openly complain about just about everything ( and they are almost always factually incorrect), that they can't make this one, correct public complaint demonstrates their extreme lack of intelligence and self awareness. That is my point, you can't be mad at people for not doing something when you have no clue if they didn't do it. Your assumption is that they didn't because it wasn't reported. I think that most of what the NFLPA discusses privately stays as such.
Who cares? Their public statements and actions are strong evidence against the idea of them having any knowledge. Holding out is evidence they don't understand the CBA. Listen to ex-NFL players who are in media when they talk on these matters, the only ones who seem to understand the CBA are ex-Offensive lineman. All ex-skill players act confident about the CBA, but are wronger than wrong.
Plus, why would we assume players are having all these private discussions when we dont assume it in any other context? Particularly, in the case where their public actions and speaking indicate the opposite. No one speculates that Tom Brady is working to be Elizabeth Warren's running mate in 2020. That is just as likely as Zeke understanding the CBA properly and using backchannels to try and change it.
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If you need an organization to look at, Patriots. Everyone there wants to win and know that big contracts won't get them there. They pay good for the talent and then leave it to Brady to deliver them to the promised land. Maybe they're being cheap, but the results speak for themselves.
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On August 21 2019 23:07 redlightdistrict wrote:
Amari Cooper is the person who should get paid before Zeke and Dak. He saved the Cowboys season last year and has never had off the field problems. Cooper is a younger version of AB without the drama.
Again - their offense drives through Zeke. When he's off the field, their offense is totally different and not nearly as good.
Am I watching a different league or something? I can't believe how many people in this thread don't understand this.
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It just doesn't make sense that the O-Line would play worse when Zeke isn't on the field. Are they conspiring to be worse? And if so, why? You've got decent assets on offense that could use protection, why put them in a position to lose games?
If what you're saying is true (I don't follow the Cowboys), then that's a whole other issue that needs to be resolved and keeping Zeke happy and on the field isn't it.
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I dunno about a RB’s absence making the O-Line worse, but the presence of a consistent RB threat certainly makes the O-Line’s job different because the defense has to change its play around the line of scrimmage in response to the RB threat.
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On August 22 2019 08:22 JimmiC wrote:
Zeke is a special talent there is no doubt about it. The only question with RBs is how long will he stay that way which makes paying them difficult.
The Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones traded away Hershel Walker than went to the Superbowl. Jones also got rid of Demarco Murray after he had a career season and was trying to get paid. Dallas really could care less about Zeke getting his money if history shows us anything.
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On August 22 2019 22:08 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2019 11:54 redlightdistrict wrote:On August 22 2019 08:22 JimmiC wrote:
Zeke is a special talent there is no doubt about it. The only question with RBs is how long will he stay that way which makes paying them difficult. The Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones traded away Hershel Walker than went to the Superbowl. Jones also got rid of Demarco Murray after he had a career season and was trying to get paid. Dallas really could care less about Zeke getting his money if history shows us anything. I mean walker was ancient history and totally different. But you are right he has not paid rbs. Other than that he has paid tons of dudes. Often the wrong ones, im looking at you roy williams.
Jones even let Emmit Smith sit out for a couple games, if the Boys had no problem letting Smith sit, they wont care if Zeke holds out. If Dak and Cooper start winning games without Zeke, and their Rookie RB plays halfway decent, Zeke will have no leverage.
The sportsbook at my local casino has Cam Newton as 50:1 odds to win MVP, worth putting money on? Cam was 6-2 last year before he got injured & won MVP a couple years back. I wouldn't bet if it was 15 or 20:1 but 50? Tempting
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EPT
