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Penev
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Excludos
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Also, what a chad. Alonso just does not give a fuck about his age | ||
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On August 01 2022 20:27 LennX wrote: Wow that came from almost nowhere Surprisingly, no. AM has stated before that they'd be looking into getting Alonso if Vettel retired. For Alonso's part, he's looking for job security, which AM was willing to give him for a multi year contract. As far as competitiveness goes, Alpine and AM flip flops every season, and neither of them are going to be competing for the championship any time soon, so that doesn't really matter too much. | ||
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In the mean time: Quote in case the tweet gets deleted: I understand that, without my agreement, Alpine F1 have put out a press release late this afternoon that I am driving for them next year. This is wrong and I have not signed a contract with Alpine for 2023. I will not be driving for Alpine next year.  | ||
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Alpine busy being far up their own asses as usual "What if we just push out this press release without checking with the driver?" Give me a fucking break | ||
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Amui
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Best to break out the popcorn, because the drama is only just getting started. | ||
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indeedE: You'd think he already secured that seat at McLaren then.. | ||
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On August 03 2022 04:30 Amui wrote: Yep. Silly season is off to a great start. My understanding of the situation is that Alpine had an option on Piastri that expired at the end of July, and Alonso left after that. Can't imagine Alonso didn't do it deliberately, given how vindictive he has been in the past against perceived wrongs (Otmar blaming him for lost points when Alpine has lost him even more). Best to break out the popcorn, because the drama is only just getting started. I'm honestly imagining Alonso and Webber just sitting with their glasses of wine in front of a cabin fire and evil-laughing their asses off | ||
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On August 01 2022 22:16 Excludos wrote: Surprisingly, no. AM has stated before that they'd be looking into getting Alonso if Vettel retired. For Alonso's part, he's looking for job security, which AM was willing to give him for a multi year contract. As far as competitiveness goes, Alpine and AM flip flops every season, and neither of them are going to be competing for the championship any time soon, so that doesn't really matter too much. I like that Alpine didnt catch this too The popcorns are great. Ferrari must be thanking them for stealing the limelight | ||
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Ben...
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There's one thing that I can't get out of my head because I think it'd be really funny if it happened (in like the cosmic sense, not the funny haha sense): What if Piastri creates all this drama then just completely chokes out of the gate? Like just does not perform well at all? He's set himself up for maximum pressure and expectations here going into what could be his rookie year. If he truly is getting Danny Ric's seat then he's going to be going up against Lando, who is entrenched at McLaren, is a qualifying specialist, and is fully comfortable with McLaren's notably weird car. It's been strange to see both people on Twitter and various F1 media pundits talk as if it's a given that Piastri is going to be very fast out of the gate. I've seen people talking as if it's a guarantee that he's an upgrade from Ricciardo or that he would be able to easily beat Ocon at Alpine, neither of which are certain. If Piastri gets in at McLaren and gets beaten by Lando just as bad as Daniel has been, it could destroy his career before it even gets started. Piastri's created a level of hype around himself that I'm not sure he'll be able to live up to. Yes, he seems like he could be a great driver, but he's still a rookie and will probably be making a lot of mistakes, just like Charles and Max did their first couple years of F1. Who knows? It'll be fun to watch. I just hope this means Ricciardo ends up back at Alpine. He seemed much happier there and Otmar already said that Ricciardo is one of the people they are interested in if they don't get to keep Piastri. It's sometimes easy to forget that in 2020 Ricciardo was battling Perez for 4th place in the driver's standings, only finished outside the points three times, and got three podiums in a midfield Renault all while scoring nearly twice as many points as Ocon. | ||
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On August 04 2022 00:40 Ben... wrote: What if Piastri creates all this drama then just completely chokes out of the gate? Like just does not perform well at all? inb4 Piastri crashes in T1 in the first race and is immediately replaced by a different driver McLaren's car isn't weird btw, but it's just a different style than what Ricciardo enjoys. Basically there are two styles of setting up your car. One is oversteery, and the other is understeery (extreme simplification, but we'll go with it). An oversteery car will have a backend that likes to come around under braking. This makes the car a lot more agile in the slow corners. Most modern drivers enjoy this setup more, but it does come with the backside that it's easier to spin the car. RB, Ferrari, and McLaren's cars are set up like this. Understeery makes the car more planted in the corner entry, and can let you get on the power earlier. It's more stable in mid-speed corners, but if you misjudge the braking distance and go wide, there is nothing you can do to save it; Your car will understeer out of the track. Hamilton loves this style of car, and Ricciardo got famous for perfecting it back when he was at RB (Before they slowly changed it to fit Max instead). Mercedes is setup up like this, and Aston Martin was last year (I don't know how their car behaves this year). This isn't a binary choice by any means tho. There's infinite setups between the two extremes you can have. In lower end sports cars, changing the behaviour of your car to suit the driver can be as easy as just moving the brake balance forwards and aft. But, because this is F1, nothing is so simple. The entire car has to be build around the driving style. You can change the brake bias (and drivers do, several times during a lap in fact), but you can't change the entire downforce, rake, suspension stiffness, etc. of the vehicle to suit both driver. You have to go for one, and stick with it. This is often what people mean when they say a car has been made to suit the Nr1 driver, making it difficult for the second driver (Aka, Max like his on the extreme oversteery end, and all his teammates struggle with it). Unless your second has the exact same, let's call it "agility preferences" as his teammate, one of them is going to have a hard time. Ricciardo basically needs to be the nr1 driver of any team he's in, otherwise he's unlikely to get a setup that suits him. Unfortunately for him, McLaren is squarely focusing on Lando as their future | ||
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Amui
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I'm coming up with 0-5s ahead of Max in clean air depending on how hard he could push and still keep the tires alive. There's 30 laps of data that's done with offsets to other drivers with similar stints so a couple tenths makes a huge difference in lap times. He would have to overtake Max on track so it wouldn't have been easy, but this generation of car has made it so every track other than Monaco and maybe Singapore, you can absolutely pass on track with less than a second of tire offset because you can keep so much closer. Track position legitimately doesn't matter if you can finish 5-10 seconds up the road. On every single circuit, you should be taking the fastest strategy for your race instead of trying to cover people | ||
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On August 04 2022 01:53 Amui wrote: Side note: I pulled the laptimes for the last GP to figure out where Charles would've finished if he had extended stint 2 and put on softs. I'm coming up with 0-5s ahead of Max in clean air depending on how hard he could push and still keep the tires alive. There's 30 laps of data that's done with offsets to other drivers with similar stints so a couple tenths makes a huge difference in lap times. He would have to overtake Max on track so it wouldn't have been easy, but this generation of car has made it so every track other than Monaco and maybe Singapore, you can absolutely pass on track with less than a second of tire offset because you can keep so much closer. Track position legitimately doesn't matter if you can finish 5-10 seconds up the road. On every single circuit, you should be taking the fastest strategy for your race instead of trying to cover people Yep. Charles was the fastest driver on the track. He had a great first stint on the mediums and was able to pit last. If he'd just done the same as Lewis after that, 30 laps on another set of mediums, he would've had less laps left to do on softs than the eventual runner up who was way behind him both on speed and track. Ferrari should've won this race or at the very least finished second. I have become a little numb of these mistakes I noticed but to have Ferrari claim the race "wasn't winnable" for them afterwards made me reconnect with my feelings pretty fast. Poor Charles.. | ||
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Piastri and Norris in Mclaren next year, gonna be fighting for more than podiums for sure! | ||
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