EPTIt's a real shame because it's obvious that Charles is performing at the highest level right now, and when things are working out the races between him and Verstappen are fantastic. Unfortunately after the first few races this season it's just not working anymore. As soon as the pressure starts increasing, Ferrari starts falling apart.
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It's a real shame because it's obvious that Charles is performing at the highest level right now, and when things are working out the races between him and Verstappen are fantastic. Unfortunately after the first few races this season it's just not working anymore. As soon as the pressure starts increasing, Ferrari starts falling apart. | ||
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Excludos
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On June 13 2022 03:59 Ben... wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what they said. Red Bull has a track record of identifying and fixing problems when they pop up be it in strategy or in reliability. Them having mechanical issues the first couple races of a new season with an all new power unit is not a weird thing. What would have been weird is if they didn't fix it, which didn't happen. They identified the problems and fixed them. Last year they showed an ability to adapt strategy after Mercedes forced them into weird positions in a few races. Ferrari is the opposite of this. They have a long history of messing up and failing to fixing mechanical and strategic issues. The types of mistakes they've been making this year are identical to the ones they made in 2017 and 2018 when they last had a properly competitive car, which suggests that they never actually fixed all of the team issues they used to have. If Ferrari wants to win a championship, they can't keep messing up strategy and allowing mechanical problems to persist for multiple races in a row. He is in a top team that is actively fighting for the WDC. Sure, he might not get it, but he IS fighting for it. What the heck is he going to change to? Fucking Haas? Charles' absolute best chance of ever winning a title is in the team he is currently residing in. Acting like people should change every other year because it doesn't go their way is absolutely laughable. | ||
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On June 13 2022 22:58 Excludos wrote: He is in a top team that is actively fighting for the WDC. Sure, he might not get it, but he IS fighting for it. What the heck is he going to change to? Fucking Haas? Charles' absolute best chance of ever winning a title is in the team he is currently residing in. Acting like people should change every other year because it doesn't go their way is absolutely laughable. I never said he should change teams. I'm saying he signed to a team that hasn't demonstrated that they can operate beyond a midfield level that just happens to have fast cars. It was his choice to sign with them and unfortunately his incredible performances aren't making up for the fact that Ferrari still hasn't got their shit together. Ferrari hasn't been a championship calibre team since probably 2009 or so when all of their key people left. Ever since they've been a team that occasionally builds fast cars but is a mess operationally. Their in-season development has been poor for years and they make enough high profile strategic blunders that it's become a meme. You don't win championships by making the types of mistakes Ferrari makes. I was a Ferrari fan for years. I watched them chew and spit out Alonso and Vettel. It appears they're now on track to do the same thing with one of the best drivers in years and that's a huge shame. They're a mediocre team that gets carried by drivers that are way better than the team deserves. | ||
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Nono, you're right. It was a continuation of why I was calling the other guy a troll. Nothing wrong with anything you've stated specifically. Guess that didn't come across properly | ||
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Red Bull will probably be mad about this since they have the problem largely under control but too bad for them. There's been plenty of instances in the past where the FIA has had to step in on safety grounds and it has harmed some teams more than others. | ||
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https://thejudge13.com/2022/06/16/mercedes-boss-admits-they-pushed-car-setup-too-far/ | ||
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On June 17 2022 01:39 Ben... wrote: The FIA just announced they are be investigating the porpoising and bouncing now because of safety concerns (there's been a lot of talk of this the last few days because of how long it took Hamilton to get out of his car. The worry is that in event of a fire, a driver whose back was as tenderized as Hamilton's was would not be able to exit the car quickly). It sounds like they will eventually be putting in place restrictions to limit the amount of vertical oscillation. For now they are going to be inspecting the floors and other bits of all the cars to see what's impacting the bouncing. It seems likely that once they have a concrete means of measuring the various factors that cause the porpoising, they will be putting in place restrictions. Red Bull will probably be mad about this since they have the problem largely under control but too bad for them. There's been plenty of instances in the past where the FIA has had to step in on safety grounds and it has harmed some teams more than others. The wording isn't necessarily to raise the car. It's to reduce the amplitude of vertical oscillations to an acceptable maximum. RB will not be affected as far as that wording goes. I would like to note that oscillations(porpoising) is different than what Merc experienced in Baku(which was bottoming out). Punishment is 10mm ride height raise followed by DQ. I have a sneaking suspicion that for some teams, they may fail this. 10mm for ride height is huge though. I fully expect RB to run away with it because Ferrari will need to raise the car. They have some of the worst bouncing, but it hooks up on braking and in the corners, probably because the front squats and rear rises just a few mm. Other sources make it sound like bottoming out is a separate investigation, which is where RB may run into trouble, but that would only be a few mm to drastically reduce it. I'm not surprised that the FIA sent out a directive to limit it. They had the methods to measure it from the start of the season. Seems like they're still collecting data on what exactly the limits should be, whether it be peak, average, or energy based. On April 25 2022 09:57 Amui wrote: I think the FIA needs to send out a directive for driver safety. Periodic vertical movement of the driver, as measured by the G sensor, at any amount of fuel or speed must not exceed 1G(I think that's a reasonable value). Frequency by itself is unsafe for driving, but it isn't inherently dangerous to the driver. | ||
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On June 17 2022 02:24 pebble444 wrote: Ben, You have not read the article at all; if anything, this will just force Mercedez to run their own cars higher, which would basically eliminate the problem, that they are mostly having; it’s their choice if to prioritize performance or driver safety I'm just repeating what I read on RaceFans. The article I read suggested that they will be looking at both short term and long term measures to handle this issue. The short term measures (them forcing a team to change their setup if the car's setup is deemed unsafe) is just a quick fix. The long term measures are what may catch some teams out. I mentioned Red Bull because Horner has been adamant about the FIA not doing this since he views it as unfair to them if they are forced to change something because of something other teams can't get under control. It's possible that a mandated rule change from the FIA could end up unintentionally catching Red Bull off guard like what happened to Aston Martin with the floor rule changes in 2021. | ||
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Mercedes has been trying experimental setups again on Hamilton's car. From what Hamilton has said after practice 2, they did not have any breakthroughs in doing this. His car looked miserable to drive and was bouncing around aggressively on the straights again. He described his car as undrivable. Earlier, Hamilton also pushed back on the notion that Mercedes can solve their issues by lifting up their car's ride height. He said that they already are near the upper limit possible for their suspension system to adjust for ride height. He mentioned that at every race other than Spain they've been running the car at a much higher height than they'd typically want to. If that's truly the case then that's pretty dire. It seems increasingly like Mercedes might not have a solution to this problem for this year's car. It does almost seem like a fundamental issue with their car concept. They took advantage of a couple bits from the new technical directive to do some additional reinforcement of the floor on Russell's car but his car was still bouncing around. At some point they're gonna have to cut their losses unless the FIA actually does do a rule change. Red Bull are of course now doubling down on their stance that the FIA should not intervene, and instead think the FIA should black flag cars they think are unsafe. | ||
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About the Mercedez, this whole time the whole issue has been the car is too low; so the only option they have is to raise it. I do not believe for a second if Hamilton is saying the car is already raised. Every single other source and party, which disagree on a number of things, all agree on that one. And as always, Russell is consistently actually focusing on racing, instead of politics, and the results show that, beating his teammate so far this year in quali and race. Not looking good for him either. Another thing that has been missing is a Hamilton-Russell battle, would be great to see them race each other. Really hope to see McLaren turn things around, not been a good season so far; Norris has had a string of inconsistencies, and with the mid field tighter, the Ferrari-red Bull battle, the Mercedez the third team, and, with Riccardo’s performance, not really ideal. Over the summer he will have a chance to prove himself, although I never though he fit in McLaren from the beginning. Sure he has a great personality, and is a genuine person, but this is formula1; I don’ t think gasly would make a good fit either, but that remains to be seen, if he frees up, and if McLaren can start fighting for podiums consistently. What I would love to see is Norris-Piastri next year, but it seems more and more likely he will either replace Alonso, or start his career in Williams. Missed the Canadian Grand Prix, always a great atmosphere and great track. | ||
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Perez ok; One week later: Perez: the wall is my only friend here | ||
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Alonso rolled back the years. I was hoping to see Vettel along side with him like in the FPs but it was not meant to be | ||
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McLaren needs to get it together. After making a colossal mess of strategy last week, they've completely ruined both of their drivers' races with that pit stop mess. Because of their mistake, Norris is now stuck in 17th with a compromised engine and Ricciardo lost 4 places and is outside the points stuck in a DRS train. McLaren's had a trend of messing up their races this year. I feel bad for Albon. He pitted the lap before the VSC and lost like 6 positions. Rotten luck. | ||
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Both McLarens have mechanical issues it sounds like. Ricciardo's got handling problems losing him time and Norris's engine is broken. | ||
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