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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
January 08 2019 13:48 GMT
#1961
Wolves are the best team below the big-6 imo, even in the league game vs Liverpool they could have gotten a better result if they were more effective at the final 3rd of the pitch. They just don't seem to be consistent vs the lower-tier teams
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
January 08 2019 17:57 GMT
#1962
wolves has some very good players but they also have a pretty 'new' team. It's just the type of team that ends up being inconsistent but with a really high peak level, and one that often shines against top teams.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 08 2019 18:53 GMT
#1963
On January 09 2019 02:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wolves has some very good players but they also have a pretty 'new' team. It's just the type of team that ends up being inconsistent but with a really high peak level, and one that often shines against top teams.


And given the nature of their roster its no surprise because its somewhat characteristic of teams from the peninsula now that I think about.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 09 2019 01:07 GMT
#1964
Yo pande. Remember when I often ranted on how bad Barkley is despite scoring some goals. Are you still not convinced after half a season lol
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 09 2019 08:28 GMT
#1965
That was his worst game no question, but in the defensive phase he is switched on and that is why he gets picked right now. His passing is short of confidence it must be, he just is waiting that split second to long and had a nightmare yesterday. He defo has the ability but if Kovacic can stay fit you would think he would be playing there more than him right now.

Barella and Parades be good replacements though. Think Barkley has another level or two in him though.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 09 2019 09:27 GMT
#1966
Oh if you want a laugh by the way, English use of VAR is abysmal again following on from being crap last season again hindering chelsea i might add. This decision was called ONSIDE, which resulted in Kane getting a penalty and Spurs winning first leg 1-0.



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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18088 Posts
January 09 2019 10:14 GMT
#1967
Tough call. You're translating a 3d situation into a 2d image, on which you draw a line. I'd say only Kane's hand/arm is over that line, and that makes him onside...

I don't think it's a clear and obvious error in either case (except maybe to biased Chelsea fans).
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
January 09 2019 10:27 GMT
#1968
Yeah to me it looks like Kane's head and right Chelsea wingback his heel are even. At first glance though it looks like Kane is offside, but on a second look, it's very unclear that he is.

When in doubt, decisions like this should go to the attacking team, as it stands in the rulebook.
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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-09 10:32:40
January 09 2019 10:31 GMT
#1969
On January 09 2019 19:14 Acrofales wrote:
Tough call. You're translating a 3d situation into a 2d image, on which you draw a line. I'd say only Kane's hand/arm is over that line, and that makes him onside...

I don't think it's a clear and obvious error in either case (except maybe to biased Chelsea fans).

Here's another angle (at 50 seconds) that argues Kane being onside:

.

I don't think you can say for sure unless there's a camera right on the actual line. Or bird eye perspective or something.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 09 2019 12:56 GMT
#1970
Bundesliga uses an automated system that determines offside as a simple yes/no decision, this malfunctioned once during the first day usage (and was not used in any game because of the failure) and has worked without flaws since.
Meanwhile the FA doesn't explain what system they use and offers one grainy angle that is not conclusive at all and then Sarri comes in with another grainy picture that isn't a conclusive angle either. And considering that he did this in front of press and it is essentially the same thing as calling the ref a failure if he gets fined it is going to further feed into the annoying chelsea persecution complex.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
January 09 2019 13:15 GMT
#1971
On January 09 2019 21:56 sneirac wrote:
Bundesliga uses an automated system that determines offside as a simple yes/no decision, this malfunctioned once during the first day usage (and was not used in any game because of the failure) and has worked without flaws since.
Meanwhile the FA doesn't explain what system they use and offers one grainy angle that is not conclusive at all and then Sarri comes in with another grainy picture that isn't a conclusive angle either. And considering that he did this in front of press and it is essentially the same thing as calling the ref a failure if he gets fined it is going to further feed into the annoying chelsea persecution complex.

As much as I respect the assistant referees, offisides are indeed supposed to be a binary and conclusive yes/no questions rather than something up to interpretation. In that sense automated system could do the job and do it up to perfection.

Any idea how the automated system copes with stuff like the passive offside rules, weird bounces and all that? Is that still up for the ref to decide?
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 09 2019 13:23 GMT
#1972
On January 09 2019 22:15 Bacillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2019 21:56 sneirac wrote:
Bundesliga uses an automated system that determines offside as a simple yes/no decision, this malfunctioned once during the first day usage (and was not used in any game because of the failure) and has worked without flaws since.
Meanwhile the FA doesn't explain what system they use and offers one grainy angle that is not conclusive at all and then Sarri comes in with another grainy picture that isn't a conclusive angle either. And considering that he did this in front of press and it is essentially the same thing as calling the ref a failure if he gets fined it is going to further feed into the annoying chelsea persecution complex.

As much as I respect the assistant referees, offisides are indeed supposed to be a binary and conclusive yes/no questions rather than something up to interpretation. In that sense automated system could do the job and do it up to perfection.

Any idea how the automated system copes with stuff like the passive offside rules, weird bounces and all that? Is that still up for the ref to decide?

Yup those would still be judgment calls. If you have a passively offside player possibly interfering the system would be determined if there is an offside position in the first place and then the VAR and likely the referee himself would look at it to determine if it was enough for active offside or not.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 09 2019 13:35 GMT
#1973
Need to include a clause where if/when he joins he is no longer considered for the USMNT.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-09 14:24:42
January 09 2019 14:23 GMT
#1974
Ok with that being said on the decision, the linesman flag goes up and he calls it offside. Chelsea players STOP and point to the official and then Kane is brought down by the goalkeeper.

Surely then the decision should be to stick with the onfield call as it is "to hard to tell" onside/offside which was in fact deemed offside by the official.
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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 09 2019 15:18 GMT
#1975
Using chelsea defenders stupidity to not play through the whistle as an argument is just silly. The referee followed the rules to let play go on in a tight decision and immediately consulted VAR.

There was no onfield call because it wasn't the NFL where that part matters. Also we saw 2 angles, one that looked like it was onside, sarri with the one that showed offside. Benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker = no offside was the correct call
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-09 15:31:12
January 09 2019 15:30 GMT
#1976
More problems for Ronaldo:



Why she was dumb enough to share this with Twitter and not an attorney. No idea.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 09 2019 17:01 GMT
#1977
On January 09 2019 23:23 Pandemona wrote:
Ok with that being said on the decision, the linesman flag goes up and he calls it offside. Chelsea players STOP and point to the official and then Kane is brought down by the goalkeeper.

Surely then the decision should be to stick with the onfield call as it is "to hard to tell" onside/offside which was in fact deemed offside by the official.


You are kidding right ? What are players doing looking at the linesman in that situation ? Play to the whistle ?
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-09 17:28:05
January 09 2019 17:27 GMT
#1978
On January 10 2019 00:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
More problems for Ronaldo:

https://twitter.com/Jasminelennard/status/1082703664299630592

Why she was dumb enough to share this with Twitter and not an attorney. No idea.


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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 09 2019 17:39 GMT
#1979
On January 10 2019 02:27 Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2019 00:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
More problems for Ronaldo:

https://twitter.com/Jasminelennard/status/1082703664299630592

Why she was dumb enough to share this with Twitter and not an attorney. No idea.


Woman plus social media...Nowadays we call it attention whore, most of them just surfing web for this reasons.


I would respectfully suggest that we keep these sorts of conversations private before peoples sensibilities and opinions start getting out of hand.

These conversations never end well and I dont know what Stealth was trying to achieve by sharing it. But nothing good will come of this discussion.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 09 2019 17:48 GMT
#1980
On January 10 2019 02:01 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2019 23:23 Pandemona wrote:
Ok with that being said on the decision, the linesman flag goes up and he calls it offside. Chelsea players STOP and point to the official and then Kane is brought down by the goalkeeper.

Surely then the decision should be to stick with the onfield call as it is "to hard to tell" onside/offside which was in fact deemed offside by the official.


You are kidding right ? What are players doing looking at the linesman in that situation ? Play to the whistle ?

Whistle is blown when referee notices flag which coincides with the foul that happens. The flag goes up, why would you continue to run knowing flag is up for offside? xD
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