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On October 03 2017 01:55 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 00:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Doesn't necessarily block a goal, so the yellow is fine, no?
To me, that's one of those legitimate 50/50 calls. The ball hits the borderline area of where it's permissible for the ball to hit. To some, it's not a penalty, to others it is. Me, I'm fine with him going either way. And sure, there will still be some controversial decisions with regard to those incidents. Stuff like tackling and hitting the ball but also taking the player, that's also sometimes going to be interpreted as okay and sometimes not. I also don't care if the referee gets an offside call wrongly if I'm only able to see that it's wrong because on the third replay viewing I can see the guy was actually 3 cm onside.
The point with VAR as far as I'm concerned is to remove all the blatantly wrong calls. If there are still some controversial ones because people just can't agree whether the referee got it right, even with replay assistance, then that's still much better than there being some controversies due to the referee getting it wrong and everyone plainly seeing it was wrong. And meanwhile we lose 2-3 minutes of game time every time the referee is looking at a replay of situation that is 50/50 and most people will be OK either way. I don't know another sport where the clock is running while the referee is staring at a screen, trying to find the slightest evidence of him not being wrong. When they implement it properly, maybe, now it's a waste of time.
It works very well in the Bundesliga.
I still can't believe that there are people against VAR. The Champions League looks like a joke compared to watching the Bundesliga now. Watching wrong calls blatantly influence the outcome of a match just kills my desire to watch a CL match.
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Of course VAR will fail sometimes, nothing is perfect. But most of the times it will fix an error. And VAR is better than what we have in CL for helping referees, nothing.
I think the Bundesliga implementation is in the right path.
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On October 03 2017 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
prowler, they already lose game time every time there's a controversial decision. VAR is for situations that impact the end result; goals, penalties, red cards. All of those already cause play stoppage. Maybe it's one minute more. The solution to that, imo, is clearly to add more extra time. Pretty damn easy tbh.
Or you know, and I know that I'm saying a blasphemy according to some people, stop the damn clock... Also the referee reviewing his own decision is like an accountant auditing his own books. Extremely dumb. They can just take the two scarecrows from the end lines and put them in a room with monitors to review the decisions of the referee.
BTW before we had people that argued for goals, penalties, red cards etc. Now we have people that do the same, but also another group of people that argue against their goal, penalty or whatever being disallowed by the VAR... And also a ref staring at a screen.
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And meanwhile we lose 2-3 minutes of game time every time the referee is looking at a replay of situation that is 50/50 and most people will be OK either way.
I doubt there are many 50/50 situations, if any. There's a reason for a set of rules that referees are paid to know and apply. And those 2-3 minutes clearly display the low quality of the organization, which doesn't make sense considering the amount of money that rolls in football. Ah, nevermind, it's this very same money that prevents a proper VAR from being properly used. A referee should only run to stare at a screen in the last case. What exactly prevents the video from being shown in the big screen, and the referee to judge from there (in these extreme cases) anyway?
There are prepared referees behind the video replays as well, what prevents them from telling the referee to change a certain decision (and themselves take responsability, of course)? Nothing.
Oh yea, because then they couldn't manipulate results...
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On October 03 2017 01:12 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 00:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Doesn't necessarily block a goal, so the yellow is fine, no?
To me, that's one of those legitimate 50/50 calls. The ball hits the borderline area of where it's permissible for the ball to hit. To some, it's not a penalty, to others it is. Me, I'm fine with him going either way. And sure, there will still be some controversial decisions with regard to those incidents. Stuff like tackling and hitting the ball but also taking the player, that's also sometimes going to be interpreted as okay and sometimes not. I also don't care if the referee gets an offside call wrongly if I'm only able to see that it's wrong because on the third replay viewing I can see the guy was actually 3 cm onside.
The point with VAR as far as I'm concerned is to remove all the blatantly wrong calls. If there are still some controversial ones because people just can't agree whether the referee got it right, even with replay assistance, then that's still much better than there being some controversies due to the referee getting it wrong and everyone plainly seeing it was wrong. Yeah pretty sure if it doesnt deny a clear goal a deliberate handball is a yellow. Also specifically about the offiside, I am a bit iffy on borderline offisides personally. Ive always preferred the idea that where peoples feet are should determine it rather than the body, but since you can use the body to score it kinda makes sense if you lean offside you get called out. Still bugs me though.
I'm in favour of if it's borderline, award the goal 
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On October 03 2017 07:00 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
prowler, they already lose game time every time there's a controversial decision. VAR is for situations that impact the end result; goals, penalties, red cards. All of those already cause play stoppage. Maybe it's one minute more. The solution to that, imo, is clearly to add more extra time. Pretty damn easy tbh. Or you know, and I know that I'm saying a blasphemy according to some people, stop the damn clock... Also the referee reviewing his own decision is like an accountant auditing his own books. Extremely dumb. They can just take the two scarecrows from the end lines and put them in a room with monitors to review the decisions of the referee. BTW before we had people that argued for goals, penalties, red cards etc. Now we have people that do the same, but also another group of people that argue against their goal, penalty or whatever being disallowed by the VAR... And also a ref staring at a screen.
They just let the game play longer, same thing as stopping the clock.
I think reviewing his own decision makes sense because you see so much more with different camera angles, multiple repeats and slow motion. Very frequent source of ref mistakes is that they do not have the right angle to judge a situation. But I also think it is somewhat disruptive to the game flow when he runs to the monitor. I prefer if he just follows the advice of the video ref which is what happened most often in BuLi VAR.
Btw I think VAR has been right 100% of the time so far in BuLi (maybe some stuff borderline?) and changed the outcome of several games to a fairer one.
It is funny you mention the discussions because one of the most frequently used points of people that are against VAR is that these ref discussions are part of football and make the game more exciting. I disagree but it seems we are not getting rid of those even with VAR. :D
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I want to mention another big advantage of VAR. It makes diving way less rewarding and although it is hard to quantify I think there is already a big reduction in dives in BuLi. And I can not recall a single instance were someone pretended to be punched to bait a red card.
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On October 03 2017 19:03 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 07:00 Pr0wler wrote:On October 03 2017 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
prowler, they already lose game time every time there's a controversial decision. VAR is for situations that impact the end result; goals, penalties, red cards. All of those already cause play stoppage. Maybe it's one minute more. The solution to that, imo, is clearly to add more extra time. Pretty damn easy tbh. Or you know, and I know that I'm saying a blasphemy according to some people, stop the damn clock... Also the referee reviewing his own decision is like an accountant auditing his own books. Extremely dumb. They can just take the two scarecrows from the end lines and put them in a room with monitors to review the decisions of the referee. BTW before we had people that argued for goals, penalties, red cards etc. Now we have people that do the same, but also another group of people that argue against their goal, penalty or whatever being disallowed by the VAR... And also a ref staring at a screen. They just let the game play longer, same thing as stopping the clock. I think reviewing his own decision makes sense because you see so much more with different camera angles, multiple repeats and slow motion. Very frequent source of ref mistakes is that they do not have the right angle to judge a situation. But I also think it is somewhat disruptive to the game flow when he runs to the monitor. I prefer if he just follows the advice of the video ref which is what happened most often in BuLi VAR. Btw I think VAR has been right 100% of the time so far in BuLi (maybe some stuff borderline?) and changed the outcome of several games to a fairer one. It is funny you mention the discussions because one of the most frequently used points of people that are against VAR is that these ref discussions are part of football and make the game more exciting. I disagree but it seems we are not getting rid of those even with VAR. :D edit: I want to mention another big advantage of VAR. It makes diving way less rewarding and although it is hard to quantify I think there is already a big reduction in dives in BuLi. And I can not recall a single instance were someone pretended to be punched to bait a red card.
the pretending to be punched happened on playday1 or 2. They learned it quickly.
And well. Köln vs Dortmund had the VAR incident, where VAR was used wrongly. But except for that.... it dramatically cut into ref mistakes and certainly has been an big improvement over everything we had previously.
Also now that the routines are more fluent it is getting better and better.
They now just have to yellow card also those sissies complaining and demanding VAR every 30 seconds and things will be really good.
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On October 03 2017 19:12 mahrgell wrote:
They now just have to yellow card also those sissies complaining and demanding VAR every 30 seconds and things will be really good.
I don't get why they haven't been doing that from the beginning, that was in the official FIFA introduction from 2 years ago.
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On October 02 2017 15:44 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2017 13:56 Dante08 wrote:
Ox must be the unluckiest or stupidest transfer in recent history. Turns down 180k a week at Arsenal where he most likely would be a starter, turns down Chelsea because he doesn't want to play wing-back, goes to Liverpool where he doesn't start, and gets subbed on as a winger lol! Also since he joined Liverpool 1 win in last 6 games or something and Arsenal on a good winning run. Stupid. At Arsenal he was loved. Did he really expect to get CAM role at Liverpool?
Some players are just crazy deluded about their own ability.
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On October 03 2017 19:03 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 07:00 Pr0wler wrote:On October 03 2017 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
prowler, they already lose game time every time there's a controversial decision. VAR is for situations that impact the end result; goals, penalties, red cards. All of those already cause play stoppage. Maybe it's one minute more. The solution to that, imo, is clearly to add more extra time. Pretty damn easy tbh. Or you know, and I know that I'm saying a blasphemy according to some people, stop the damn clock... Also the referee reviewing his own decision is like an accountant auditing his own books. Extremely dumb. They can just take the two scarecrows from the end lines and put them in a room with monitors to review the decisions of the referee. BTW before we had people that argued for goals, penalties, red cards etc. Now we have people that do the same, but also another group of people that argue against their goal, penalty or whatever being disallowed by the VAR... And also a ref staring at a screen. They just let the game play longer, same thing as stopping the clock. I think reviewing his own decision makes sense because you see so much more with different camera angles, multiple repeats and slow motion. Very frequent source of ref mistakes is that they do not have the right angle to judge a situation. But I also think it is somewhat disruptive to the game flow when he runs to the monitor. I prefer if he just follows the advice of the video ref which is what happened most often in BuLi VAR. Btw I think VAR has been right 100% of the time so far in BuLi (maybe some stuff borderline?) and changed the outcome of several games to a fairer one. It is funny you mention the discussions because one of the most frequently used points of people that are against VAR is that these ref discussions are part of football and make the game more exciting. I disagree but it seems we are not getting rid of those even with VAR. :D edit: I want to mention another big advantage of VAR. It makes diving way less rewarding and although it is hard to quantify I think there is already a big reduction in dives in BuLi. And I can not recall a single instance were someone pretended to be punched to bait a red card.
Unfortunately stopping the clock and letting the game play longer is not the same thing. 
This Juve game must have had at least 6min of stoppage time if they had followed the rule.
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On October 03 2017 19:35 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 19:03 Redox wrote:On October 03 2017 07:00 Pr0wler wrote:On October 03 2017 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
prowler, they already lose game time every time there's a controversial decision. VAR is for situations that impact the end result; goals, penalties, red cards. All of those already cause play stoppage. Maybe it's one minute more. The solution to that, imo, is clearly to add more extra time. Pretty damn easy tbh. Or you know, and I know that I'm saying a blasphemy according to some people, stop the damn clock... Also the referee reviewing his own decision is like an accountant auditing his own books. Extremely dumb. They can just take the two scarecrows from the end lines and put them in a room with monitors to review the decisions of the referee. BTW before we had people that argued for goals, penalties, red cards etc. Now we have people that do the same, but also another group of people that argue against their goal, penalty or whatever being disallowed by the VAR... And also a ref staring at a screen. They just let the game play longer, same thing as stopping the clock. I think reviewing his own decision makes sense because you see so much more with different camera angles, multiple repeats and slow motion. Very frequent source of ref mistakes is that they do not have the right angle to judge a situation. But I also think it is somewhat disruptive to the game flow when he runs to the monitor. I prefer if he just follows the advice of the video ref which is what happened most often in BuLi VAR. Btw I think VAR has been right 100% of the time so far in BuLi (maybe some stuff borderline?) and changed the outcome of several games to a fairer one. It is funny you mention the discussions because one of the most frequently used points of people that are against VAR is that these ref discussions are part of football and make the game more exciting. I disagree but it seems we are not getting rid of those even with VAR. :D edit: I want to mention another big advantage of VAR. It makes diving way less rewarding and although it is hard to quantify I think there is already a big reduction in dives in BuLi. And I can not recall a single instance were someone pretended to be punched to bait a red card. Unfortunately stopping the clock and letting the game play longer is not the same thing. This Juve game must have had at least 6min of stoppage time if they had followed the rule.
These things always seems way longer than they actually are though. The whole VAR review from when he got the call and ran over to decision took 1:15. The overall time from free kick to penalty was 2:10. But this one was ridiculously long.
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Wow, Marc Janko has publicly criticised the Austrian football league bosses how they treated Marcel Koller.
I have rarely seen a player criticise the board so openly after a coach was dismissed. Huge props to him!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Tuchel 90% Bayern next manager?
Pep is big fan of Tuchel and told Bayern chief he should get the job. Now Hoeness has come out saying Pep knows who the next manager will be?
1+1=4? xD
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On October 03 2017 09:17 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2017 01:12 Rebs wrote:On October 03 2017 00:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Doesn't necessarily block a goal, so the yellow is fine, no?
To me, that's one of those legitimate 50/50 calls. The ball hits the borderline area of where it's permissible for the ball to hit. To some, it's not a penalty, to others it is. Me, I'm fine with him going either way. And sure, there will still be some controversial decisions with regard to those incidents. Stuff like tackling and hitting the ball but also taking the player, that's also sometimes going to be interpreted as okay and sometimes not. I also don't care if the referee gets an offside call wrongly if I'm only able to see that it's wrong because on the third replay viewing I can see the guy was actually 3 cm onside.
The point with VAR as far as I'm concerned is to remove all the blatantly wrong calls. If there are still some controversial ones because people just can't agree whether the referee got it right, even with replay assistance, then that's still much better than there being some controversies due to the referee getting it wrong and everyone plainly seeing it was wrong. Yeah pretty sure if it doesnt deny a clear goal a deliberate handball is a yellow. Also specifically about the offiside, I am a bit iffy on borderline offisides personally. Ive always preferred the idea that where peoples feet are should determine it rather than the body, but since you can use the body to score it kinda makes sense if you lean offside you get called out. Still bugs me though. I'm in favour of if it's borderline, award the goal
Yeah me to..
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I just received a whatsapp massage with a picture of the new bayern manager..... it feels wrong.
NVM on closer inpsection its probably a photoshop.
edit: I definitely fell for a photoshop. And it didnt even make sense, as I confused a politician with a football manager.... Stupid me.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
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On October 04 2017 22:20 Pandemona wrote:
Tuchel 90% Bayern next manager?
Pep is big fan of Tuchel and told Bayern chief he should get the job. Now Hoeness has come out saying Pep knows who the next manager will be?
1+1=4? xD
It's almost certainly Tuchel. The only alternative German media are taking semi-seriously at this point is Luis Enrique, but he doesn't speak any German so he's far less likely.
It appears Bayern don't have the patience to wait a year for Nagelsmann.
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