EPT2017 - 2018 Football Thread - Page 240
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Last 10 away games from Barcelona | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18476 Posts
http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2017/221/en/ The English Premier League had so far the third highest proportion of very uneven matches among the competitions surveyed: 22% (+4%). At the opposite end of the table, the German Bundesliga is by far the big-5 European league with the lowest percentage of games with a three or more goal gap: 11% (-6%). The lowest proportion overall was measured in Russia: 10% (-4%). In other words, while Pande heralds the PL as the most balanced league, it's actually the one with the most one-sided stomps out of all the major leagues. Meanwhile the bundesliga is the most balanced. Presumably because the only team that doles out one-sided stomps is Bayern  | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
like what kind of metric is that? where's the theory involved? Maybe it's because the football played in England is completely different than in Germany? Like i need some meat behind the stats, not just some random numbers which are completely worthless without any context. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18763 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18476 Posts
On April 11 2018 20:43 Bacillus wrote: I think the differences mostly speak that PL has roughly 6 bigger clubs whereas Bundesliga has Bayern and after that's it's maybe Dortmund and maybe on-form Schalke or so. Surprisingly enough 6 giants do more stomping than 2 or 3. Hard to interpret that way. There are small leagues mixed in there too, and the Dutch league at least doesn't have any giants. On any given day, Ajax can randomly lose to Heracles (and does), and so can PSV or Feyenoord. Twente, one of the bigger sub-top teams in the last couple of years is fighting against relegation this season. Yet, 3-goal difference stomps apparently occur about as often as in Spain, where Barcelona and RM are obvious giants above the rest. It may have more to do with mentality and playstyle than with balance of the league as a whole, but you can generally say that a single *game* is not balanced if it results in a 3 or more goal difference. There might be something to be said about the fact that in England it is harder to predict who the stomp is in favor of. I don't know. They don't seem to have tested that. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That said their is becoming another "gap" forming in England that was closed for the last 3-4 seasons in which the Top 6 weren't that far away from the rest, however this season the gap is seemingly alot bigger as proven in the table. However if you take Man City out of the equasion this season then the bottom sides would not have been "spanked" much xd Show me a league where a team can go from finishing 1st to 10th to 1st to 5th/6th in 4 seasons :D | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
On April 11 2018 20:51 Acrofales wrote: Hard to interpret that way. There are small leagues mixed in there too, and the Dutch league at least doesn't have any giants. On any given day, Ajax can randomly lose to Heracles (and does), and so can PSV or Feyenoord. Twente, one of the bigger sub-top teams in the last couple of years is fighting against relegation this season. Yet, 3-goal difference stomps apparently occur about as often as in Spain, where Barcelona and RM are obvious giants above the rest. I'd definitely consider Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord 'giants' of Eredivisie. Probably some 9 out of 10 (if not more nowadays) championships ends up going to someone between them and most seasons they form the top 3 quite comfortably some 10 points above the rest. Obviously they're not international giants these days, but they're still head and shoulders above the rest of their own league. ... And yeah, I by no means meant to say the 'giant factor' is the only reason why there are variations between the number of uneven games. There are obviously plenty of factors going to that ratio, including stuff like play styles and such. I'm definitely curious about factors affecting it, but also kind of unsure whether it speaks much of anything about a league in practise. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
it's no coincidence the UCL is so high in both, where weaker teams from the backwaters of Europe play against the giants. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
PSG vs Barca, are they big teams even though both games had a 3 plus goal margin in them? Or when Real Madrid dish out a beating, or this season when Barca beat Chelsea 3-0, was that a huge gulf in teams on show? Or just one team taking their chances and the other not. | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
The UCL group stage this season alone had four 5+ goal difference matches this season; 7-0, 7-1, 6-0, 5-0. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
On April 11 2018 21:44 Espers wrote: not really worthless, what is a better measure of imbalance between teams than goal difference? You'd probably have to define imbalance first. Goal difference might give you some kind of nice average on mid-tier teams, but probably does a horrid job on pointing out that Bayern wins 90+ % of Bundesliga titles. Imbalance isn't just some 0 to 100 value which tells the whole story. | ||
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
true with one outlier like Bayern it's not great | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
The league has been historically dominated by 3 teams (Benfica, Porto and Sporting with 36, 27 and 18 Domestic leagues respectively). Since the league exists in the current format, these 3 teams won all but two leagues. Belenenses won in 1944-45 and Boavista won in 2000-01. This year alone, if you look at the home games of the top 4 of the league (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga), and if you don't count the game between them, you have 56 wins in 56 games... This is what an unbalanced league looks like. Unfortunatelly it's getting worse every year, and this fact is making the portuguese teams less competitive in european matches... | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2120 Posts
On April 11 2018 22:37 bObaZ wrote: The least balanced league (out of the top 10 leagues in europe, or so) got to be the Portuguese league. The league has been historically dominated by 3 teams (Benfica, Porto and Sporting with 36, 27 and 18 Domestic leagues respectively). Since the league exists in the current format, these 3 teams won all but two leagues. Belenenses won in 1944-45 and Boavista won in 2000-01. This year alone, if you look at the home games of the top 4 of the league (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga), and if you don't count the game between them, you have 56 wins in 56 games... This is what an unbalanced league looks like. Unfortunatelly it's getting worse every year, and this fact is making the portuguese teams less competitive in european matches... I looked at the league wikipedia page and the attendance numbers tell quite a bit of the story. Top teams get more in one home game than bottom teams in the whole season. | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
On April 11 2018 23:04 Bacillus wrote: I looked at the league wikipedia page and the attendance numbers tell quite a bit of the story. Top teams get more in one home game than bottom teams in the whole season. I don't know what motivated that behavior but if we were to do a poll do assess the portuguese fanbase split between the portuguese clubs it would be something like this: Benfica: 45% Sporting: 30% Porto: 20% Rest of the clubs combined: 5% And these numbers might be generous towards the "rest of the clubs combined". This is the main problem behind the lack of competitivity, but it doesn't justify everything. The management behind the league and the football federation only helped create a even bigger gap between the top teams and the rest. | ||
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