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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 10 2018 20:52 GMT
#4761
THAT DZEKO GOAL ON THE FIRST LEG
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 10 2018 20:54 GMT
#4762
On April 11 2018 05:45 zev318 wrote:
roma almost screwed it up 91st minute tho. i still dont get why players keep on stop playing just because they think its offside. the ref didnt call anything, keep playing!

both runaway leaders in PL and la liga bombing out, juve leaders in serie A most likely out, would be hilarious if bayern lose tomorrow too

Yeah Dembele imo should score and he was miles away. He probs rushed it but that is what they paid money for, him to score them
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 10 2018 21:08 GMT
#4763
Coutinho went to Barcelona to win the Champions

Semi-Finals? Liverpool

lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 10 2018 21:16 GMT
#4764
On April 11 2018 06:08 Faruko wrote:
Coutinho went to Barcelona to win the Champions

Semi-Finals? Liverpool

lol

well at least he got his first domestic title... he couldnt play the CL so he would not have gotten the title had Barca won anyway... but i do get your point...

though even Liverpool has been pretty impressive for the past weeks their current form is still excrptionally more consistent than what they had done previously...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-10 21:21:03
April 10 2018 21:20 GMT
#4765
I've seen some comments Sterling clipping Van Dijk on the City goal. It's pretty hard to see from the rep, but van Dijk's reaction definitely looks like there's something in there. I guess he needed either a full dramatic dive or stay focused on the game.

Any thoughts on that?

Definitely enjoyed seeing Liverpool to go through, but would've been happier with a bit more consistent reffing definitely. I guess there were messy decisions both ways, but that denied goal stands out nevertheless.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
April 10 2018 21:28 GMT
#4766
yea refereeing was bad but when the overall result ends up being 5-1 it's not that big of a deal, even knowing that City going up 2-0 in this game would have produced a different second half etc.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-10 21:42:51
April 10 2018 21:29 GMT
#4767
On April 11 2018 06:16 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 06:08 Faruko wrote:
Coutinho went to Barcelona to win the Champions

Semi-Finals? Liverpool

lol

well at least he got his first domestic title... he couldnt play the CL so he would not have gotten the title had Barca won anyway... but i do get your point...

though even Liverpool has been pretty impressive for the past weeks their current form is still excrptionally more consistent than what they had done previously...


It appears to me that Liverpools balance has actually improved because its forced other players to take more responsibility and they have thrived.

Before,in alot of the games in difficult situations the game would either go through Countinho and he would either make the game flow or get marked out of games and then Liverpool would look disjointed.

I think the deal has worked out splendidly for them, although it could have just as easily gone the other way and their attack could have fallen apart, you can rarely tell these things for sure, but as people making this sort of decision for Liverpool all you can do is assess your best bets and then have faith I suppose.

Liverpool had to let him go since he was itching to leave, but Barca really didnt need to push for him till the summer. But good on Liverpool for going the right way.


On April 11 2018 06:20 Bacillus wrote:
I've seen some comments Sterling clipping Van Dijk on the City goal. It's pretty hard to see from the rep, but van Dijk's reaction definitely looks like there's something in there. I guess he needed either a full dramatic dive or stay focused on the game.

Any thoughts on that?

Definitely enjoyed seeing Liverpool to go through, but would've been happier with a bit more consistent reffing definitely. I guess there were messy decisions both ways, but that denied goal stands out nevertheless.


I thought there was a genuine case for a foul. But even without the touch he got he was going nowhere, and wouldve ended up doing the same thing.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-10 21:51:17
April 10 2018 21:44 GMT
#4768
On April 11 2018 05:42 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 05:37 sharkie wrote:
On April 11 2018 05:35 Rebs wrote:
On April 11 2018 05:25 sharkie wrote:
Barca prolly got the easiest opponent out of the last 8 teams and they are losing to them o.O
I thought Barca was good again?


They havent been particularly amazing since the new year, but this game was particularly bad.

And if you watch the game, Roma played their hearts out from minute one and Barca just showed up and expected to win.

Expecting to get bailed out by Messi or Roma to fuck something up. Cant do that at this level.

Roma gave them no ins, controlled the game, won every single 50-50. Completely deserved.


Any reason for Barca's fall in form? They surely have all the motivation in the world to redeem themselves in the CL after last year?


I think a large part of it is the way they are being coached. They are a bit to deep into the conservative Mou style pragmatism.


Todays game is a good example. They came to defend a lead, not win a game.

The shape was passive, the pressing, the intensity none of it was there because they wanted to sit back and let Roma play and "something would work out." They didnt even imagine that Roma would be able to score 3 goals against them.

They are doing this in the league aswell since they got a lead at the turn of the year there and in that case Messi keeps bailing them out but Messi wont win you games on his own against quality teams as consistently as he will in the league. Definitely not in the CL.

With the way the players and squad is built I would much rather lose like City did then the way they did today. Atleast in that case 2 teams are playing football.



Honestly the issue that I feel both Barcelona and Man City fell for is that they got caught between two mindsets. I feel you either go full Mourinho or you don't, either you play how you play all season or you go full bus. I feel both Man City and Barcelona got caught trying to be pragmatic when a full gung ho style would have suited them better.

I just realized that is your exact argument haha. woops.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28701 Posts
April 10 2018 21:51 GMT
#4769
I don't think City was trying to play pragmatically in these games. First game was Liverpool showcasing some absolutely fantastic play - both attacking and in terms of 'gegenpressen' - guardiola teams have been somewhat vulnerable to this before too. (but it's so demanding from the other side). Second game had City looking like City until Liverpool got 1-1, that was the all is lost-moment and the player's spirits got deflated from that.
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
April 10 2018 21:53 GMT
#4770
I would say choosing Gundogan over Sterling is pragmatic, but I guess Liverpool's gegenpressen is just a thing Guardiola will always struggle with indeed.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 10 2018 22:02 GMT
#4771


I know we should see the whole picture and realize how many times has Barcelona been down, but that's an impressive stat overall
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1974 Posts
April 10 2018 22:07 GMT
#4772
I think 4 sounds quite reasonable number for anyone. A top tier team shouldn't be in a losign position too many times a season and even then there's probably at least a handful of very capable fellows scoring those comeback goals.

Meanwhile 22 sounds totally out of this world for the same reasons.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 10 2018 23:34 GMT
#4773
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2716 Posts
April 11 2018 00:12 GMT
#4774
On April 11 2018 04:15 mAKiTO wrote:
vamos city!!

i placed bets on 3-0 and 5-1


I'm sure you got some good money with that 3-0 bet
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
April 11 2018 01:30 GMT
#4775
On April 11 2018 09:12 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 04:15 mAKiTO wrote:
vamos city!!

i placed bets on 3-0 and 5-1


I'm sure you got some good money with that 3-0 bet

not sure if sarcasm but i believe he bet city to win...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
April 11 2018 02:25 GMT
#4776
On April 11 2018 07:02 Faruko wrote:
https://twitter.com/bet365/status/983817840464711681

I know we should see the whole picture and realize how many times has Barcelona been down, but that's an impressive stat overall


this year its 3 for ronaldo, and 1 for messi

RM trailed 3 games, barca 1 game
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
April 11 2018 02:57 GMT
#4777
Unbelievable Barca lost, this year seems like Real's title again which is annoying. Maybe Bayern can beat them if they avoid them in semis?
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-11 03:24:53
April 11 2018 03:16 GMT
#4778
I just can't even... Barça at 50% should have passed. This is just a massive attitude problem from players. Valverde might have given them instructions to take less risks, but this is 99% on the players... It's not like you lost 1-0 in the last minute and got eliminated. You received 2 warnings, 1 at 1-0 early in the game ("oh maybe we should be playing more seriously"), and then 2-0 early in the 2nd half ("oh shit, time to wake up"). But no... do the same crap and concede 10 chances until one goes in, and suddenly decide that you should maybe score one to go to semis.

Just disgusting. Suarez' offside at the 93rd is just... What happened to the best 9 in the world?

And now, just watch Madrid win the 3rd CL and steal the show this year while you had a perfect Liga/Copa run (still amazing but who will remember that?). Watch Ronaldo get his 6th Ballon d'Or for playing 7 games in the season over a consistently amazing Messi (at least he tried tonight)... Barça at their peak would eat this Madrid alive in a 2-leg matchup, but yesterday's Barça would get 3-0'd by just about any team. Last year vs PSG and Juventus, I thought it was a physical issue, but after tonight I'm starting to think it's time to replace half the team. They won too much, they're too comfortable. If seeing Madrid win the CL twice in a row for the first time in the CL history isn't enough to motivate you, I doubt seeing them win it 3 times in a row will change anything.

I don't want to blame Valverde too much. He should probably have subbed out Iniesta and tried to consolidate the midfield earlier, but his 'conservative' (for Barça's standards) tactics aren't really to blame. It should have been more than enough to defend a 4-1 against freaking Roma (score that wasn't even deserved to begin with). Also, he's had to deal with having no attack for the whole season except for Messi & Suarez, so we can't really say the team is playing worse because of him. With Coutinho, Dembélé, and potentially Griezmann, if he still plays like that next season, then it'll be his fault.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
April 11 2018 04:47 GMT
#4779
Oh well with all the upsets so far maybe someone can upset Real?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 11 2018 05:21 GMT
#4780
I love how the owner of Roma jumped into a public fountain as a celebration.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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