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On August 07 2017 01:52 mahrgell wrote: Your well reasoned post should have convinced absolutely everybody. Was the posts before this explaining why if you read them. All this new system does is give advantage 2nd takers now instead of first due to A BB AA BB AA B. Meaning that now you can lose very quickly with 2 misses in a row. On original format. A B A B A B A B; you can not lose as fast. As we went Score > miss 2 > lost before we kicked again. | ||
sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
It may feel weird or unfair but it really isn't, ultimately you just can't miss that many and expect to win... The old system had up to 60% advantage for the team taking first penalty, let's wait how stats for this look before judging | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On August 07 2017 16:35 Pandemona wrote: Was the posts before this explaining why if you read them. All this new system does is give advantage 2nd takers now instead of first due to A BB AA BB AA B. Meaning that now you can lose very quickly with 2 misses in a row. On original format. A B A B A B A B; you can not lose as fast. As we went Score > miss 2 > lost before we kicked again. WTF are you talking about??? in neither format you can lose without having at least taken 3 penalties... The shortest possible penalty shootout in the old format was 6 penalties, and this is exactly the same in the new format. And yes, you wrote the same gibberish earlier, but I ignored it because it made absolutely no sense. It still does not. | ||
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On August 08 2017 00:04 mahrgell wrote: WTF are you talking about??? in neither format you can lose without having at least taken 3 penalties... The shortest possible penalty shootout in the old format was 6 penalties, and this is exactly the same in the new format. And yes, you wrote the same gibberish earlier, but I ignored it because it made absolutely no sense. It still does not. I don't get what is hard for you to understand that all this new format does is give advantage to kicker B over A. And that if they wanted it to be pure fair it shouldn't be A BB AA it should be A BB AA B A BB A to be a better judge of the format. If you watched the shootout yesterday you would understand. Arsenal had 3 chances to win the game with 0 pressure on it thanks to missing 2 penalties in a row. In the old format that doesn't happen does it. Not in the exact situation from yesterday anyway, as Chelsea would had a penalty before Arsenal's winner to add more pressure, instead they had way less pressure. Also i didn't even mention anything about 3 penalties lol. I mentioned that if you miss 2 in a row you are so boned in this format. Where in the old format you have it broken up so less pressure / more pressure compared to giving a team a huge ass advantage. Let's put it this way, England aint NEVER winning a penalty shoot out now national team wise. Went from 10% chance to win to 0.5% | ||
nojok
France15845 Posts
We'll need a much bigger sample to determine if the new sytem is fairer than the old one or not. PS : German shooters were terrible in the German supercup, worse than their foreign counterparts :p | ||
sharkie
Austria18385 Posts
Last week he also appeared to indicate he did not want Matic to leave. "He is being undermined. To sell one of your best players to a rival? If he didn't want him to go and he has been sold then it is a problem," former Chelsea striker Chris Sutton said. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40857589 So selling Matic was indeed bigger than Pande tried to sell us. Only Chelsea can buy one of the best coaches around and then agitate him heh | ||
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FC Dallas thought they had clawed a goal back. Maxi Urruti reacted quickest to a loose ball in the box, and found the back of the net to give the Texans a lifeline against the Philadelphia Union. On any other weekend previously this season, the goal probably would have stood. FC Dallas may well have mounted a late comeback on the back of it. This weekend, however, Major League Soccer debuted its new VAR system. Urruti’s goal was its first case study. Indeed, replays showed that Cristian Colman made contact with Philadelphia goalkeeper John McCarthy before Urruti took his shot. The decision, which took just under two minutes to be made, was ultimately the correct one. Incidents like this will become commonplace, but this one marked the start of a new era. The era in which referees finally have some help. MLS has taken on the mantel as something of a testing ground for the global game with regards to VAR. The system was trialled at this summer’s Confederations Cup, – and in Australia’s A-League – with varying degrees of success. There was confusion, there was an element of farce, with a run of botched calls calling into question whether football was ready for the implementation of such technology. Much of that confusion remains. Sunday’s Dutch Super Cup game between Feyenoord and Vitesse Arnhem, for instance, descended into chaos when the referee took nearly 90 seconds to first turn down a penalty for a challenge in the box, allow play to continue until the opposition side scored on the counter, disallow that goal, and then pull play back and finally award the penalty with the help of the VAR. Clarification is required on when the VAR can and can’t be used, but MLS might be where the technology is truly refined and perfected for the mass market. North American soccer, through the Professional Referee Organisation (PRO), has invested big in its VAR programme. Former Premier League referee Howard Webb was hired to become MLS’s head of VAR operations back in February, with tests conducted at 90 different MLS games up until the point of the system’s roll out this weekend. “If it involves the award of a penalty – so the referee gets conned, player goes down, no contact at all – the VAR can check it,” Webb explained in June, providing an example of how VAR will work. “The VAR sees that it’s a clear dive. He will recommend the player has committed simulation and should be cautioned. [The referee] would go back and cancel the penalty. He’d award a yellow card to the player and he’d restart the game with an indirect free kick. “There would be an immediate punishment which is miles better than retrospective action because that player would not otherwise get the punishment on the day. It’s better than having no VAR because the penalty would stand otherwise, wrongly. We can accept there might be the odd occasion when a free kick’s given wrongly on the edge of the area and leads to a goal. That might not feel right, but I understand why; we’re not checking all free kicks [to protect the flow of the game].” It’s crucially important that MLS gets the implementation of its VAR system right. This is an experiment that goes beyond North American soccer. While the technology has been tested and trialled in a number of one-off games around the world, as well as the Confederations Cup, MLS, along with the A-League, is the first division to permanently adopt VAR. Should it be a success, a global roll out would surely follow not before too long. Flop, however, and a necessary progression of the sport would be stunted. Of course, there are side issues that come with the use of VAR. Nobody, not even Webb, pretends that the technology comes without its challenges. For example, will there now be more pressure on the MLS disciplinary committee? What happens if the VAR makes a blunder during a game - will the committee be prepared to overrule, therefore undermining PRO that oversees VAR? Poor camera angles (which are frequently an issue in the North American game) can hinder the ability of the VAR to make the correct decision. MLS has also admitted that a decrease in goals could occur as a result of VAR, although the point could be made that the goals that stand will be purely legitimate. Despite extensive testing, there will be blips and blotches over the coming weeks and months. At one point or another, there will be controversy. Whether or not MLS learns from that, though, will go a long way to deciding VAR’s place in the game. It’s not just North American soccer types who will be watching closely. This is in the interest of all fans. Source | ||
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Real win super cup! | ||
nojok
France15845 Posts
We can't judge ManU on a game against this Real though, we'll see later even if it's not really encouraging. | ||
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