EPT2017 - 2018 Football Thread - Page 14
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
It's all kicking off xD | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On August 11 2017 00:41 Pandemona wrote: Dembele been suspended by Dortmund now! lol It's all kicking off xD dembele doing same thing like mhki last year. "I am not coming until you made a deal with ManU". | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
(he is good, just not that good) | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On August 11 2017 00:38 nojok wrote: Apparently PSG's president is in Madrid to pay Oblak's €100M release clause, what the fuck are the Qataris doing? Quatar is investing and ruining Europe's football at the same time oh yea and proving that money means/costs less and less in modern world | ||
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sharkie
Austria18385 Posts
Let's see who gives up first lol. No one will want a 24 year old with no playtime in the last 4 years | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:13 sharkie wrote: Tbh if a player like dembele who still has four years of contract remaining acts like a spoiled brat I would personally just never sell him and not play him in dortmund. Let's see who gives up first lol. No one will want a 24 year old with no playtime in the last 4 years i wonder how many fans would be happy with their club losing 100M+. would they be like fuck 100M+ and the players it could buy or would they be like fuck the player and let him rot. does dembele not have a release clause? | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:13 sharkie wrote: Tbh if a player like dembele who still has four years of contract remaining acts like a spoiled brat I would personally just never sell him and not play him in dortmund. Let's see who gives up first lol. No one will want a 24 year old with no playtime in the last 4 years You can't really do that. A player who plays in < 10% of his club's matches technically has just cause to terminate his contract. If they purposely put him in for a couple minutes of a few matches just to circumvent that rule, he would no doubt win against them in a legal dispute. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 11 2017 03:15 Faruko wrote: Dembele isnt even that good to be honest (he is good, just not that good) Dembélé is the best U20 player in the world, a potential ballon d'or winner goes at this price nowadays. As Platini said, "it's not the great players who are expensive, it's the average ones" look at all PL transfers : Morata, Lukaku, Kyle Walker, Matic, Pogba etc etc It's crazy but 2X Walker for Dembélé is a bargain. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:26 zev318 wrote: i wonder how many fans would be happy with their club losing 100M+. would they be like fuck 100M+ and the players it could buy or would they be like fuck the player and let him rot. does dembele not have a release clause? No he doesn't. As much as I like the idea of letting him sit around for half a year or whatever we're not seen as a top 5 team in the world. We are good enough to give young talent the feeling that they can make it to world class while with us, to make that last step necessary to become a possible starter at Barca/Real. They know it, the management knows it. Now if you start to forbid a transfer the next generation will think twice if the club is the right choice for the next step. And at that point we have to buy overpriced midclass instead of world class talents. And while it's perfectly fine to punish Dembele for what he did, we should've known it could happen - he did it back at Rennes. If Barca really only offered 70m that's of course laughable. 3 weeks ago it might've been a fair starting point for negotiations but when you get 222m you can't expect anybody to give up a top3 u20-player for less than half days before the first cup game/week before the season starts. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
He already accepted PSG offer, only club left | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 11 2017 06:14 smr wrote: No he doesn't. As much as I like the idea of letting him sit around for half a year or whatever we're not seen as a top 5 team in the world. We are good enough to give young talent the feeling that they can make it to world class while with us, to make that last step necessary to become a possible starter at Barca/Real. They know it, the management knows it. Now if you start to forbid a transfer the next generation will think twice if the club is the right choice for the next step. And at that point we have to buy overpriced midclass instead of world class talents. And while it's perfectly fine to punish Dembele for what he did, we should've known it could happen - he did it back at Rennes. If Barca really only offered 70m that's of course laughable. 3 weeks ago it might've been a fair starting point for negotiations but when you get 222m you can't expect anybody to give up a top3 u20-player for less than half days before the first cup game/week before the season starts. It was different at Rennes, the coach did not want to play him because he was not ready for ligue 1. He therefore refused to sign a professional contract. He hired a new agent and they agreed to stay with a release clause of €5M (forbidden in France btw). The coach finally started him and he teared ligue 1 apart because he's good, winning rookie of the year award. Dortmund paid €15M + incentives because their sponsor is owned by Rennes' owner and it was the best way for Rennes to not lose too much money. It's shady and there is a trial in process. It's still toddler's game compared to a guy like Mendes/Raiola who are also nothing compared to Zahavi. The coach who refused to play him is regarded as one of the worst coach they ever had at the club btw and we still laugh about Dembélé "not being physically ready for ligue1". | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:13 sharkie wrote: Tbh if a player like dembele who still has four years of contract remaining acts like a spoiled brat I would personally just never sell him and not play him in dortmund. Let's see who gives up first lol. No one will want a 24 year old with no playtime in the last 4 years If a player doesn't want to play, that's a sunk cost. Unless you're filthy rich, you don't just throw away $100m just to make a point. Apparently PSG is trying to get Mbappe for 160m or sth lol i'm loving this summer | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Mbappe asked Madrid for 12m a year as that is what PSG is offering him. RM withdrew and said, "Congratulations and good luck at PSG." | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8637 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
I'm not sure if money is really destroying football. It's not leaving football, it's given to smaller teams, it's always been like that. Maybe in 10 years when only big teams will be able to purchase good players and they'll make a super-league, then we'll lose interest? I like that football isn't a very predictable sport, but Champions League big games are awesome. what if we had the top 20 teams play all year long? The bottom 5 beating the top 5 would still be an upset... Then the challenge would be to keep the teams outside the league financially safe so they can still grow and have a shot at the top league. Whether we like it or not, something like this will happen anyway. The clubs with the most influence will not let UEFA make them lose their status, just look at what happened with the new CL rules. And the average spectator will be thrilled to see Real vs MU or Barça vs Bayern more often... | ||
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sharkie
Austria18385 Posts
Do you remember how hyped everyone was when Mourinho joined Real? We were all El Clasico here El Clasico there and then we got like 6 of them within a whole year and since then no one gives a crap about Real vs Barca. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
If they did a super league, it's just be 2 games per year + playoffs (if that's the system). When I watch e-Sports, big teams play each other how many times a year? 4-5 times? It's still exciting if the competition they're playing in matters. A league game where one of the team has already won the league isn't too exciting, but inside a super league it would be... You'd still have 5 monsters like now, so games between Barcelona and say Liverpool or Napoli would not have the same intensity as Barcelona vs Madrid or Bayern. I really don't know what I would prefer to be honest. I understand smaller teams should continue having some importance, but when I watch sport, I want to see the very best (just my opinion). I would never watch women football for that reason. I don't watch the national qualifiers, the heats or semi finals of Olympics 100m dash, but the final brings me a lot of emotion. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On August 11 2017 14:27 evilfatsh1t wrote: psg owners clearly salty about losing the title this season. their spending is absolutely insane this window. absolutely disgusting what money is doing to football I'm glad people are realising it. What about Murdoch's ManU, Berlu's Milan, Agnelli's Juve, Abramovic' Chelsea, Vasiliev's Monaco and all the fiscal support in Spain? The only relatively clean big club is Bayern, all the others are a joke. I just want them to change the god damn rules, no one can compete with financial juggernauts. PSG's shopping list is still nothing compared to Berlu's one when he arrived at Milan and we have yet to see the French government destroy blood sample of their players like it happened in Spain or Juventus who got away despite being declared guilty of mass doping. Ban PSG from all UEFA competition for all I care, they're by far the most hated club in France and our championship is a farce because of them. Fix the financial distribution of the game, I'm tired of UCL being 16 clubs from 4 countries when there used to be big clubs from all over Europe. On August 11 2017 13:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Real Madrid with the last word and extra middle finger. Mbappe asked Madrid for 12m a year as that is what PSG is offering him. RM withdrew and said, "Congratulations and good luck at PSG." https://twitter.com/Hectorfernandez/status/895683716336549888 This dude is working for PSG owners... What a source. | ||
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