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cLutZ
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JimmyJRaynor
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On February 24 2017 05:49 Ace wrote: Colangelo is dumb as fuck. Noel is a monster. i think he is a bit above average as GM/PoBO guy. If he drafted Aldridge instead of Barnyarni he might still be in Toronto. One sign of his solid abilities as a sports executive is that his 2 "real jobs" have been in places that grant him a lot of autonomy. | ||
JimmiC
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On February 24 2017 05:49 Ace wrote: Colangelo is dumb as fuck. Noel is a monster. I'm with you I think Dal won this trade. I guess philly is hoping in this Deep draft they can recoup their loss with some one in a area need. I think they found out no one wants oakafor, which I think is there own doing based on how they have played him and treated him I don't think people think much of him. Embid is too much of a enigma to trade, if he can stay healthy he will be the best big man in basketball, if he's Greg Oden part 2. So they prob felt they had to dump Noel. I think the Celts must be thinking next year, the Cavs are still the Cavs and both the Raps and Wizards got better. This year the east should be more exciting then years past in the playoffs. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On February 24 2017 06:21 JimmiC wrote: I think the Celts must be thinking next year, the Cavs are still the Cavs and both the Raps and Wizards got better. This year the east should be more exciting then years past in the playoffs. good move on Boston's part. only a major injury stops the Cavs getting through the East. the Raptors are thinking of the next 5 years in totality ... they are run by a committee constructed by 2 giant megacorporations. The Raptors are not run by an emotional owner. MLSE never thinks in terms of 1 year. ever. Even this year the Raptor's 1st round draft position is improved or the same as it should be and they've had 3 1st round picks the last 2 years. | ||
cLutZ
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On February 24 2017 06:21 JimmiC wrote: I'm with you I think Dal won this trade. I guess philly is hoping in this Deep draft they can recoup their loss with some one in a area need. I think they found out no one wants oakafor, which I think is there own doing based on how they have played him and treated him I don't think people think much of him. Embid is too much of a enigma to trade, if he can stay healthy he will be the best big man in basketball, if he's Greg Oden part 2. So they prob felt they had to dump Noel. I think the Celts must be thinking next year, the Cavs are still the Cavs and both the Raps and Wizards got better. This year the east should be more exciting then years past in the playoffs. The Celts are smart(ish) to avoid going all in, not because of the Cavs, but because their team isn't very good. | ||
JimmiC
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On February 24 2017 06:44 cLutZ wrote: The Celts are smart(ish) to avoid going all in, not because of the Cavs, but because their team isn't very good. You're probably right, I mean depending what they would have had to give up. Both PG13 and Butler are young enough to grow with what they have. That being said it sounds like in the end non were available so better to hold then to give up too much for someone else. What I was shocked by is Den, with all the smoke I thought they would deal at least Gallinari instead of losing him for nothing in the off season. I don't see them making the playoffs or not getting swept if they do so that was a odd choice. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On February 24 2017 06:44 cLutZ wrote: The Celts are smart(ish) to avoid going all in, not because of the Cavs, but because their team isn't very good. i guess it depends what you mean by "isn't very good". Boston is a solidly above average team. But, that should not be enough to mortgage the future on a playoff run. | ||
cLutZ
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andrewlt
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On February 24 2017 06:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Colangelo probably got what the market would offer. its a meh of a deal. good move on Boston's part. only a major injury stops the Cavs getting through the East. the Raptors are thinking of the next 5 years in totality ... they are run by a committee constructed by 2 giant megacorporations. The Raptors are not run by an emotional owner. MLSE never thinks in terms of 1 year. ever. Even this year the Raptor's 1st round draft position is improved or the same as it should be and they've had 3 1st round picks the last 2 years. That sounds about right. If the teacher's pension fund or whatever is intent on maximizing profits, then staying in contention for a long time is a better play rather than going all in on a short championship window. Owners who go all in for a championship are doing it for their ego. In the sports business, winning championships isn't exactly a profit maximizing move. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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JimmiC
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The Raps had a great and promising deadline, they improved themselves significantly now (Ibaka + tucker >>>> Tross) well not mortgaging the future. They also traded for the biggest piece that fit there needs. (butler and george were no available if you believe what people are saying they turned down T.O couldn't have offered more) The MLSE is running both the Raps and Leafs better then they basically have been run before, they are both vastly improved. None of the moves they have made fits your narrative of "MLSE is a evil organization searching for mediocrity and profits" They have done everything possible to get better and hopefully stay good. Not every team has Lebron James so you do the best with what you have. I don't get how you are a fan, all you every do is shit on them and act like every big group is evil. Any raptors fan should be pumped about this deadline and the shape of the east, and how the future looks, your outlook is super odd. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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Orlando has really cut back on Biyombo's playing time lately. I wonder if any one will get fired for handing him $72 million. That's an expensive back up Center. | ||
JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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cLutZ
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icystorage
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JimmiC
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Maybe all the trade deadline winners are losers and vice versa! | ||
MassHysteria
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Biggest winners from the deadline for me were Houston and Toronto. Can't believe some raptor fans like jimmyj don't approve of Ujiri, one of the top GM's of the last few years for me (going back to DEN). I also liked the Noel deal like some people here. Carlisle will max the hell out of the player he is. Dallas always impresses with their ability to rebuild on the fly. They also have a top-notch medical staff, with way below-average injuries from their players. Good owner, good coach, good medical-staff, and good Don Nelson... | ||
MassHysteria
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It turns out it was actually the Jazz who had made the offer. After the Kupchak/Buss firings though, when Magic called them to see if they wanted to get the deal done, they had decided to go in another direction. Another trade that Kupchak likely cost us by waiting too long...Utah would have given LAL a higher pick than Houston, but good job on Lakers getting the trade done quickly before Morey went somewhere else with it. | ||
JimmiC
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On February 24 2017 10:36 JimmyJRaynor wrote: one subtlety of the Toronto sending Sulliger+Picks to Phoenix for Tucker. The Raptors do not have Sullinger's bird rights. They do have Tucker's bird rights. There is Ujiri... thinking long term again. Sneaky devil. I held off writing this because I didn't want to seem JUST argumentative (I know I am, what can I say I'm not perfect). But I think a lot of people do not understand what bird rights are. Basically if a player is with the same team not leaving for three years the team has bird rights which allows them to resign them for a little more money then they could get as free agents and even if that team is over the cap. There is also a early bird rights after 2 years. Trades move bird rights. http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/bird-rights.htm Players that are traded or claimed off waivers have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. ... Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. So in JimmyJ's example tuckers "bird rights" would transfer, however Sullinger lost his when he signed with the raptors in the off season. I'm not sure that it matters in either case as I don't think either is due for 175% raise but who knows. Also because the NBA cap is so darn complicated they added a designated veteran player exception. This was designed to keep superstars where they are at. To stop the lebron and Durrant type moves. This is not tradeable. So with the Kings cousins could have got 5 years 209 million and now with the pelicans he will get a "how can I feed my family"(shout out to latrell spreewell) 5 year 180 million dollar deal. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/demarcus-cousins-will-miss-out-on-close-to-30-million-due-to-kings-pelicans-trade/ Also I agree with MH in his two posts. I think Houston will be a fun team to watch in the playoffs, they have that underdog feel with an actual chance to win. I think D'antoni really changed the NBA when he came across and it would be great to see him get some acclaim. For the east I will be cheering for the raps though it will be more of a anyone but the Cavs thing as everyone but them is underdogs! edit: as a side note on Raptors ownership and wanting to win I read this quote today. "Ujiri pledged that his owners have promised that they will pay the luxury tax if he builds a team that requires it – “Any direction we take this team, ownership is ready and they’ll support us 100 per cent. There’s no doubt” — but the beauty of his work to this point is that he still has his own draft picks and a core of young players that he can rely on if the next few months suggest that this isn’t a team that has a chance to win." | ||
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