On August 20 2015 10:09 Eliezar wrote: The idea that promotion and relegation has anything to do with a) kids playing soccer in the streets or b) youth development is something rather odd. For the record...in my travels in Europe I never once saw a street or park pick up game, but there are neighborhood parks in the US where you see nothing but local kids playing after school and on weekends in random pick up games. I think when JK first took over the German national team his quote about why Germany wasn't dominate anymore was because the German kids are never playing on the street and instead they are inside playing Xbox unlike the Brazilians who play on the beach, in the street, at the park.
And JK was wrong, what followed was one of the best generations of German players ever.
The US-system might work, but don't underestimate the advantages a huge network of clubs competing with each other brings. Almost every small village has a football club in Germany, and a large number of kids are trained and scouted at a young age.
America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed.
Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed. Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
Not sure what is meant with a scouting tool, but Football Manager is used as a database by managers and I'm not exactly sure why that is a negative. Sports interactive employs over a 1,000 scouts in the world to make their database and it is very easy to use, for smaller teams that may not have the funds it is an ideal tool to look up a region or player before sending their scouts.
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed. Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
Not sure what is meant with a scouting tool, but Football Manager is used as a database by managers and I'm not exactly sure why that is a negative. Sports interactive employs over a 1,000 scouts in the world to make their database and it is very easy to use, for smaller teams that may not have the funds it is an ideal tool to look up a region or player before sending their scouts.
You also have companies like Sci Sports that will do the analysis for you!
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed. Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
Not sure what is meant with a scouting tool, but Football Manager is used as a database by managers and I'm not exactly sure why that is a negative. Sports interactive employs over a 1,000 scouts in the world to make their database and it is very easy to use, for smaller teams that may not have the funds it is an ideal tool to look up a region or player before sending their scouts.
You also have companies like Sci Sports that will do the analysis for you!
That is pretty cool actually! I wish Feyenoord were to use them more haha.
On August 20 2015 19:59 Dante08 wrote: Lol Yanited got swooped twice now though I don't really care if we get Muller (very slim chance but here's hoping!)
i dont think we got our transfer targets stolen last minute. it seems more like us dropping interest. doesnt make sense that we negotiate with clubs for a month or two and then 2 rival clubs come and buy the player in less than a week unless man utd never really pushed for the deal to happen
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed. Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
Not sure what is meant with a scouting tool, but Football Manager is used as a database by managers and I'm not exactly sure why that is a negative. Sports interactive employs over a 1,000 scouts in the world to make their database and it is very easy to use, for smaller teams that may not have the funds it is an ideal tool to look up a region or player before sending their scouts.
Database and scouting are completely different things. Besides when we are talking big clubs we are talking big data. Football manager I assure you when all this money is being spent doesnt really factor in as a legit use item at the highest level.
I dont know what small clubs do, but the same place the FM database comes from there are way smarter tools available that large clubs have entire teams working on for ages. So my point was just that American sports are not generations ahead in terms of how they use metrics. Moneyballing in sports that flow like football isnt as applicable but has definite merits in certain use cases.
I have never played FM seriously so I cant say how good or bad it is. Disparaging FM wasnt really the point.
There is a mainstream obsession with stats in North America that everyone fawns over to gauge how good athletes are.
For the average fan, football still maintains a majority component as an art rather than science normal people dont care that much, hence this idea that Americans use stats better.
I wasn't really trying to argue against your point, I just happen to know that Koeman used FM when he was at Feyenoord to look up player histories and physical attributes during the scouting process because it is a very good database for 40EUR. Of course the big teams have better options, but I can assure you Feyenoord does not because our scouting system is nonexistent. (Well not entirely true, but our scouting is focused on youth players)
Anyway you are right, stats have been creeping into football over the last decade and it is not like US sports are ahead of football in that sense.
Wow thats some pretty amazing cover. Well time to get rid of Demechelis K thn bye.
Demichelis will likely stay, he was playing CM whole preseason and both PL games and he will be backup to Toure and Fernandinho together with Delph. Looks like Fernando has fallen out of favour.
On August 20 2015 23:19 Maenander wrote: Football requires a very different skillset than handegg, that much is obvious.
I never understood why Football and American Football ever get comparred. The American version of Football is Soccer (the same thing). Compare Football to Soccer! The European version of American Football is Rugby (Only Europeans don't throw the ball forwards or stop to change the entire team and have a parade just because possession turned over.)
edit: Replace the word European with 'the rest of the world'.
On a slightly more Football related note Exeter beat Dagenham & Redbridge 1-2 in a bit of successful mid-week action. Get in City!
On August 20 2015 14:55 Sermokala wrote: America is also generations ahead of Europe when it comes to sabermetics and "moneyball theory". in professional sports. When a video game like football manager is being taken seriously as a scouting tool by clubs something is seriously wrong.
Could you imagine the physical freaks that are in handegg playing soccer? Where the barrier of entry is that you HAVE to be able to run a sub 5 second 40 yard dash to be in most positions.
I think the myth that you need to be a monster athlete to excel at football is kinda dispelled with 5 and half footers who are fit and good athlete but superior technically, taking the world by storm for the past decade.
Theres a reason Theo Walcott sits on the bench for Arsenal right now and its not his speed.
Also that FM being used as a scoutng tool is kinda BS. Football has been using the same metrics and moneyball theory for a decade now (the latter alot less since its application doesnt apply perhaps as heavily.
Opta makes crazy money tracking just the PL alone. Everything from where a keeper likes to stand on corners to what zones Messi runs in at what time of the game is mined and used to get some sort of advantage.
Walcott's speed isn't really that impressive when you consider his size compared to top level football athletes. If his technical ability is whats failing him I'd hate to see what he'd do against guys who are a lot bigger, a lot taller, and even faster them him.
But fair enough on the technical ability thing. American sports are more physically based then soccer.
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