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On May 05 2016 00:23 evilfatsh1t wrote:
im all for lvg leaving. i dont think hes getting the best out of his players at all and i hate the way he sets the team up to play. however, he historically has left his teams in a very good shape for the future and i kind of see mourinho as the anti-lvg.
lvg spent 2 years here and 200+mil pounds, id rather not bring in someone whos probably going to undo everything for at best 1 league title. besides, there are some players (mata and perhaps a few others) who mou would have a problem with (defensive responsibilities etc) and id be sad to see them go
I'm desperate enough to get anyone just to see some changes in the team. Moyes was sacked too fast but we shouldn't be afraid to change if it is really needed after 2 seasons. While I have some misgivings over Mourinho, I hope that he may gave changed if he indeed is the new incoming manager. Also is there anyone else better? or Giggs should be just thrown into the deep end like G.Neville
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On May 05 2016 00:43 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 00:27 Ysellian wrote:On May 04 2016 23:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On May 04 2016 17:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 04 2016 13:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:
rather keep lvg than take mourinho tbh Would you really? I would take Mourinho on a 2 year contract and than get someone else after that. why? 2 year contract is probably even worse. he may win a pl in one of those years, but he could just as easily not. 2 years is not a lot of chances even for him. also, even if he did win a pl for us, what does he leave behind? he has almost always left teams in a worse state than when he joined and he goes against so many 'values' that man utd holds.he invented the bus and generally plays very defensively he doesnt use youth players well hes a shit stirrer in the media and according to what happened at chelsea and rm, in the dressing room too the 3rd point is just a negative overall, but the other 2 are things that are traditionally opposite of what man utd is This is overstated. Chelsea reached the finals of the CL after he left and lost it due to a Terry slip, Real Madrid went on to win it after he left, Porto was ransacked by Europe's elite and Benitez screwed up Inter. You get Mourinho for two years and you get a team that is well drilled and capable of grinding out wins just like good ole Ferguson. He'll get far in the CL and win you at least 1 league title considering the financial power Utd have. Just get rid of him before the players are mentally and physically exhausted by Mou's antics and training methods. I do agree about the youth players, but honestly there are only a couple of managers at the moment who have shown capable of winning trophies with a lot of youngsters in their squad. One of whom is your current manager and the other one is heading over to your city rivals. If not Mourinho I think your best bet would be just stick with Van Gaal and wait if Pochetino becomes available. To be fair though. Real Madrid as a club is kinda unspoilable no matter who goes there and leaves. Also Real won the CL because of Ancelloti and Mou contributed to none of that. Heck even most of the players he signed werent a part of that squad no more. + Show Spoiler +(although to be fair Real Madrid signings arent exactly logic based anyway. Still point remains) Inter turned to shit because they spent their resources badly and ran out of money. But again Inter had an ageing core that was never setup to be replaced so Mou just jumped ship before that became a problem. He is very good at that, clever fox if there ever was one.
Also speaking about "cores" Ranieri was involved in bringing in as many of Chelseas "legendary core" as Mou was . Mou gets basically credit for Cech and two absolute monsters in Drogba and Essien. The rest of the "legendary" core were already there. Still he made them what they were so full credit for that. Look the dude knows how to win no doubt. But at the end of the day he is still an energy drink manager. You get some kind of crash afterwards, in some cases its debilitating and others its just a bit of grogginess. Bottom line is you dont feel good afterwards. Still as far as United is concerned he is by far the best option, but if you are looking for someone who will have a lasting impact on the team in a good way, that is unlikely.
Hey lets be honest, Fergie kind of did the same thing with United.  Obviously the situation at Inter was always going to be rough, but I feel Benitez didn't handle the situation well at all. Shoving Sneijder to the sides, high backline, don't remember any more but he certainly wasn't doing himself any favours. In the end the only role he played well was as scapegoat. Btw no jab at Benitez, dude is a great manager, but he does seem to put himself into awkward spots too often.
I most definitely agree with the term energy drink manager, but I do feel the more time progresses without United winning a title the easier it becomes to fall in a negative spiral. I see that with my own club Feyenoord, you get used to not winning, players get comfortable with ties where you should be winning, opponents stop playing scared, fans keep cheering for the team no matter how bad things get and before you know it you're Liverpool. Having a bit of energy drink to get you over a hurdle could prove useful.
But like I said, I feel ultimately a guy like Pocchetino would be ideal for United. Who is 100% certain not going to leave Spurs after this season considering they are playing CL, so United have to be patient.
On May 05 2016 00:44 LennX wrote:
I'm desperate enough to get anyone just to see some changes in the team. Moyes was sacked too fast but we shouldn't be afraid to change if it is really needed after 2 seasons. While I have some misgivings over Mourinho, I hope that he may gave changed if he indeed is the new incoming manager. Also is there anyone else better? or Giggs should be just thrown into the deep end like G.Neville
Could work as long as you can get a more experienced manager in a advisory role. Here in the Netherlands the top 3 teams all have ex-star players managing them, but Cocu and van Bronkchorst got some help from Hiddink and Advocaat.
On May 05 2016 01:27 Rebs wrote:
Yo Fergie was relevant for like 20 some years though and he has proven he can rebuild teams time and time again. He stayed not only relevant but at the top through multiple shifts in European Club football.
No one even comes close.
Haha I'm the biggest Fergie fanboy, I know he could do it man. Just a shame that he couldn't muster it one last time, but he was fully entitled to retiring..
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On May 05 2016 01:00 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 00:43 Rebs wrote:On May 05 2016 00:27 Ysellian wrote:On May 04 2016 23:31 evilfatsh1t wrote:On May 04 2016 17:41 Ysellian wrote:On May 04 2016 13:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:
rather keep lvg than take mourinho tbh Would you really? I would take Mourinho on a 2 year contract and than get someone else after that. why? 2 year contract is probably even worse. he may win a pl in one of those years, but he could just as easily not. 2 years is not a lot of chances even for him. also, even if he did win a pl for us, what does he leave behind? he has almost always left teams in a worse state than when he joined and he goes against so many 'values' that man utd holds.he invented the bus and generally plays very defensively he doesnt use youth players well hes a shit stirrer in the media and according to what happened at chelsea and rm, in the dressing room too the 3rd point is just a negative overall, but the other 2 are things that are traditionally opposite of what man utd is This is overstated. Chelsea reached the finals of the CL after he left and lost it due to a Terry slip, Real Madrid went on to win it after he left, Porto was ransacked by Europe's elite and Benitez screwed up Inter. You get Mourinho for two years and you get a team that is well drilled and capable of grinding out wins just like good ole Ferguson. He'll get far in the CL and win you at least 1 league title considering the financial power Utd have. Just get rid of him before the players are mentally and physically exhausted by Mou's antics and training methods. I do agree about the youth players, but honestly there are only a couple of managers at the moment who have shown capable of winning trophies with a lot of youngsters in their squad. One of whom is your current manager and the other one is heading over to your city rivals. If not Mourinho I think your best bet would be just stick with Van Gaal and wait if Pochetino becomes available. To be fair though. Real Madrid as a club is kinda unspoilable no matter who goes there and leaves. Also Real won the CL because of Ancelloti and Mou contributed to none of that. Heck even most of the players he signed werent a part of that squad no more. + Show Spoiler +(although to be fair Real Madrid signings arent exactly logic based anyway. Still point remains) Inter turned to shit because they spent their resources badly and ran out of money. But again Inter had an ageing core that was never setup to be replaced so Mou just jumped ship before that became a problem. He is very good at that, clever fox if there ever was one.
Also speaking about "cores" Ranieri was involved in bringing in as many of Chelseas "legendary core" as Mou was . Mou gets basically credit for Cech and two absolute monsters in Drogba and Essien. The rest of the "legendary" core were already there. Still he made them what they were so full credit for that. Look the dude knows how to win no doubt. But at the end of the day he is still an energy drink manager. You get some kind of crash afterwards, in some cases its debilitating and others its just a bit of grogginess. Bottom line is you dont feel good afterwards. Still as far as United is concerned he is by far the best option, but if you are looking for someone who will have a lasting impact on the team in a good way, that is unlikely. Hey lets be honest, Fergie kind of did the same thing with United. Obviously the situation at Inter was always going to be rough, but I feel Benitez didn't handle the situation well at all. Shoving Sneijder to the sides, high backline, don't remember any more but he certainly wasn't doing himself any favours. In the end the only role he played well was as scapegoat. Btw no jab at Benitez, dude is a great manager, but he does seem to put himself into awkward spots too often. I most definitely agree with the term energy drink manager, but I do feel the more time progresses without United winning a title the easier it becomes to fall in a negative spiral. I see that with my own club Feyenoord, you get used to not winning, players get comfortable with ties where you should be winning, opponents stop playing scared, fans keep cheering for the team no matter how bad things get and before you know it you're Liverpool. Having a bit of energy drink to get you over a hurdle could prove useful. But like I said, I feel ultimately a guy like Pocchetino would be ideal for United. Who is 100% certain not going to leave Spurs after this season considering they are playing CL, so United have to be patient. Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 00:44 LennX wrote:
I'm desperate enough to get anyone just to see some changes in the team. Moyes was sacked too fast but we shouldn't be afraid to change if it is really needed after 2 seasons. While I have some misgivings over Mourinho, I hope that he may gave changed if he indeed is the new incoming manager. Also is there anyone else better? or Giggs should be just thrown into the deep end like G.Neville Could work as long as you can get a more experienced manager in a advisory role. Here in the Netherlands the top 3 teams all have ex-star players managing them, but Cocu and van Bronkchorst got some help from Hiddink and Advocaat.
Yo Fergie was relevant for like 20 some years though and he has proven he can rebuild teams time and time again. He stayed not only relevant but at the top through multiple shifts in European Club football.
No one even comes close. I wouldnt say im a fan but the guy is number 1 by a country mile in so many ways + Show Spoiler +dont get me wrong he did alot of fucked up shit too, and he is partly to blame for Uniteds current state, but a very small part imo.
Benitez is like the worst replacement for a Mou type coach because he is basically the same general style of coach and not even close to as good and with like zero personality in terms of getting players to buy into his vision. Something Mou has traditionally been very good at. For a short time anyway.
Pochetinno would be an excellent coach but the problem about managing clubs like United or other mega clubs is that you cant just be a good coach or a man manager. Theres a different set of shit you have to deal with. Not saying he cant. But I dont know if he is ready for that yet.
I agree that Mou is decent fit. But he wont necessarily fix any of the fundamental issues that the club has right now. But hey, managers can improve and learn from their mistakes. Ranieri is living proof of that.
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lol, chelsea and spurs charged for "failing to control their players"
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On May 04 2016 18:46 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 18:40 RvB wrote:
Why would you replace Busquets with Mascherano? I wouldn't i would play them together, 4-2-3-1! Iniesta is old now him and Rakitic can come on for either one etc or rotate in. Then you just need teach Ardan to play RW or find one somewhere xd ------------Suarez Neymar -- Messi -- RW -----Biscuits -- Masch Alba -- Pique -- CB -- RB --------Ter Stegen Would insta buy Monreal from Arsenal too as he would rejoin Barca in an instance i would replace Alves easily. Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 18:43 Greg_J wrote:
With all that's been going on I missed the Monday night Championship action where another league was decided.
Brighton 1-1 Derby
Burnley 1-0 QPR
Burnley have won The Championship and will be making a return to the Premier League. So this years Burnley Bournemouth will have to think of a new name for themselves next year. Burnley and Bournemouth up replacing two giant clubs going down.
But Brighton and Middlesbrough are now left on the same points with Middlesbrough having a 2 goal advantage in goal difference. They both have 1 match left and it's against each other at the Riverside.
Straight fight win the game or draw and Middlesbrough will be in the Premier League next year. Brighton have to win. The loser could still make it through the play offs. But I am still routing for Sheffield Wednesday there. They haven't won it, just guaranteed promotion But the only reason is because Brighton and Middlesbrough play eachother last game, what a fkn game that is going to be. Winner gets promoted, loser joins playoffs. CRAZY!!! Boro in pole position though due to they just need to avoid defeat due to better goal difference, still what a game! Can't wait, all games start 12:30 on Saturday too.
2 DMs. You're not fit to be a Barça manager. 4-3-3 all the way brother.
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On May 05 2016 02:14 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2016 18:46 Pandemona wrote:On May 04 2016 18:40 RvB wrote:
Why would you replace Busquets with Mascherano? I wouldn't i would play them together, 4-2-3-1! Iniesta is old now him and Rakitic can come on for either one etc or rotate in. Then you just need teach Ardan to play RW or find one somewhere xd ------------Suarez Neymar -- Messi -- RW -----Biscuits -- Masch Alba -- Pique -- CB -- RB --------Ter Stegen Would insta buy Monreal from Arsenal too as he would rejoin Barca in an instance i would replace Alves easily. On May 04 2016 18:43 Greg_J wrote:
With all that's been going on I missed the Monday night Championship action where another league was decided.
Brighton 1-1 Derby
Burnley 1-0 QPR
Burnley have won The Championship and will be making a return to the Premier League. So this years Burnley Bournemouth will have to think of a new name for themselves next year. Burnley and Bournemouth up replacing two giant clubs going down.
But Brighton and Middlesbrough are now left on the same points with Middlesbrough having a 2 goal advantage in goal difference. They both have 1 match left and it's against each other at the Riverside.
Straight fight win the game or draw and Middlesbrough will be in the Premier League next year. Brighton have to win. The loser could still make it through the play offs. But I am still routing for Sheffield Wednesday there. They haven't won it, just guaranteed promotion But the only reason is because Brighton and Middlesbrough play eachother last game, what a fkn game that is going to be. Winner gets promoted, loser joins playoffs. CRAZY!!! Boro in pole position though due to they just need to avoid defeat due to better goal difference, still what a game! Can't wait, all games start 12:30 on Saturday too. 2 DMs. You're not fit to be a Barça manager. 4-3-3 all the way brother.
But i will give them more defensive protection so you can fully utilize the fullbacks /wingbacks 
Marcelo is only as god like looking as he is thanks to 2 DMs in Real to a certain extent as they aren't the best 2 DMs in world football, but that is the only way to utilize Alba and Monreal who would be easy signature for Barca.
Happy Korean Birthday :D
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On May 05 2016 02:30 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 02:14 RvB wrote:On May 04 2016 18:46 Pandemona wrote:On May 04 2016 18:40 RvB wrote:
Why would you replace Busquets with Mascherano? I wouldn't i would play them together, 4-2-3-1! Iniesta is old now him and Rakitic can come on for either one etc or rotate in. Then you just need teach Ardan to play RW or find one somewhere xd ------------Suarez Neymar -- Messi -- RW -----Biscuits -- Masch Alba -- Pique -- CB -- RB --------Ter Stegen Would insta buy Monreal from Arsenal too as he would rejoin Barca in an instance i would replace Alves easily. On May 04 2016 18:43 Greg_J wrote:
With all that's been going on I missed the Monday night Championship action where another league was decided.
Brighton 1-1 Derby
Burnley 1-0 QPR
Burnley have won The Championship and will be making a return to the Premier League. So this years Burnley Bournemouth will have to think of a new name for themselves next year. Burnley and Bournemouth up replacing two giant clubs going down.
But Brighton and Middlesbrough are now left on the same points with Middlesbrough having a 2 goal advantage in goal difference. They both have 1 match left and it's against each other at the Riverside.
Straight fight win the game or draw and Middlesbrough will be in the Premier League next year. Brighton have to win. The loser could still make it through the play offs. But I am still routing for Sheffield Wednesday there. They haven't won it, just guaranteed promotion But the only reason is because Brighton and Middlesbrough play eachother last game, what a fkn game that is going to be. Winner gets promoted, loser joins playoffs. CRAZY!!! Boro in pole position though due to they just need to avoid defeat due to better goal difference, still what a game! Can't wait, all games start 12:30 on Saturday too. 2 DMs. You're not fit to be a Barça manager. 4-3-3 all the way brother. But i will give them more defensive protection so you can fully utilize the fullbacks /wingbacks Marcelo is only as god like looking as he is thanks to 2 DMs in Real to a certain extent as they aren't the best 2 DMs in world football, but that is the only way to utilize Alba and Monreal who would be easy signature for Barca. Happy Korean Birthday :D
Spain used alot of double pivot in Del Bosques time. with 4 3 3 they want more ball players that can get in goal scoring positions. A double pivot setup will always leave the frontline a little short of help against defensive teams and even if you push your full backs up most of the time the counter will have enough space anyway or you will find that you just arent making any headway even with it. Remember Spains worldcup win with all the scrappy 1-0's
Thats why Real has such a miserable time against Atleti specifically. The front 3 get isolated and then get the shit kicked out of them. Ez defense ez life.
Either is fine. Its what you are comfortable with that matters. E
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On May 05 2016 02:30 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 02:14 RvB wrote:On May 04 2016 18:46 Pandemona wrote:On May 04 2016 18:40 RvB wrote:
Why would you replace Busquets with Mascherano? I wouldn't i would play them together, 4-2-3-1! Iniesta is old now him and Rakitic can come on for either one etc or rotate in. Then you just need teach Ardan to play RW or find one somewhere xd ------------Suarez Neymar -- Messi -- RW -----Biscuits -- Masch Alba -- Pique -- CB -- RB --------Ter Stegen Would insta buy Monreal from Arsenal too as he would rejoin Barca in an instance i would replace Alves easily. On May 04 2016 18:43 Greg_J wrote:
With all that's been going on I missed the Monday night Championship action where another league was decided.
Brighton 1-1 Derby
Burnley 1-0 QPR
Burnley have won The Championship and will be making a return to the Premier League. So this years Burnley Bournemouth will have to think of a new name for themselves next year. Burnley and Bournemouth up replacing two giant clubs going down.
But Brighton and Middlesbrough are now left on the same points with Middlesbrough having a 2 goal advantage in goal difference. They both have 1 match left and it's against each other at the Riverside.
Straight fight win the game or draw and Middlesbrough will be in the Premier League next year. Brighton have to win. The loser could still make it through the play offs. But I am still routing for Sheffield Wednesday there. They haven't won it, just guaranteed promotion But the only reason is because Brighton and Middlesbrough play eachother last game, what a fkn game that is going to be. Winner gets promoted, loser joins playoffs. CRAZY!!! Boro in pole position though due to they just need to avoid defeat due to better goal difference, still what a game! Can't wait, all games start 12:30 on Saturday too. 2 DMs. You're not fit to be a Barça manager. 4-3-3 all the way brother. But i will give them more defensive protection so you can fully utilize the fullbacks /wingbacks Marcelo is only as god like looking as he is thanks to 2 DMs in Real to a certain extent as they aren't the best 2 DMs in world football, but that is the only way to utilize Alba and Monreal who would be easy signature for Barca. Happy Korean Birthday :D
Thanks.
I just don't see a need for a defensive posture when you have the qualities of Barcelona. Their talent is clearly in the offense so the coach should use that well. It's not like their defense is aweful either it's just not as spectaculair. Who cares about a back if Neymar can shine?
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Barca has to make room for Barbossa and munir pretty soon. I don't know if messi and suarez will have declined by then to make their exits as easy as it could be though.
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Holy....Middlesborough vs Brighton tomorrow in championship is a game worth a staggering £170million!
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On May 06 2016 20:43 Pandemona wrote:
Holy....Middlesborough vs Brighton tomorrow in championship is a game worth a staggering £170million!
That's 6 times more than what Leicester City spent on their current squad.
I grew up on the South Coast and either Brighton or Portsmouth where my nearest football clubs. I didn't really get into football until I went to uni hence supporting Exeter. So I'd be pretty happy to see Brighton in the Premier League. But I wouldn't begrudge Middlesbrough .
Though last time Middlesbrough where in the Premier League they had a repuation as been the most boring club going. Playing for a 0-0 drawa against more than half in the League. That was a fair while ago though.
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Gündogan out for rest of season/euros with knee injury
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
On May 06 2016 21:51 Greg_J wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2016 20:43 Pandemona wrote:
Holy....Middlesborough vs Brighton tomorrow in championship is a game worth a staggering £170million! That's 6 times more than what Leicester City spent on their current squad. I grew up on the South Coast and either Brighton or Portsmouth where my nearest football clubs. I didn't really get into football until I went to uni hence supporting Exeter. So I'd be pretty happy to see Brighton in the Premier League. But I wouldn't begrudge Middlesbrough . Though last time Middlesbrough where in the Premier League they had a repuation as been the most boring club going. Playing for a 0-0 drawa against more than half in the League. That was a fair while ago though.
Yeah i loved the boro side that reached europa league final? semi final? Hasslebaink Viduka damn was so fun. Won Carling cup too.
I really like their manager though, Mourinho's ex assistant at Real Madrid Aitor Karanka who was a good centre back in his days too. Think he would bring a nice attitude to the premier league. But of course everyone loves Chris Hughton, nice guy of football etc, so i guess i don't mind either way too 
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lol gundogan with another injury right before the season ends. if its a long one hes going to end up retiring at dortmund
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On May 06 2016 22:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:
lol gundogan with another injury right before the season ends. if its a long one hes going to end up retiring at dortmund
I had dislocated kneecap in the past and it was a month in crutches and 2 months rehabilitation, though doctor said that rehab is very car specific and usually goes from 6 wells to 6 months.
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To get back to full throttle Bundelsiga/Euros action and to get back to daily life are two entirely different things. But 'very case specific' is probablly right on the money. Everyone will just have to wait and see how long he takes to recover.
Also I watched the Chelsea/Spurs game today. That kind of pashion is intense. Maybe the game was a little dirtyier than it needed to be. But the likes of Man City and perhaps Arsenal could do with an injection of pashion like that. A lot of even the Champions League games this year have looked pretty flat. It's great to see some intensity even if the aggression was a bit over the top.
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Hahahaha, Guardiola attacking Bayern medical staff again. ^^
Such a sore loser. Of course Guardiola fans will now try to explain to us how this is different to Mourinho (it isn't).
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36230554
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On May 07 2016 02:03 sharkie wrote:Hahahaha, Guardiola attacking Bayern medical staff again. ^^ Such a sore loser. Of course Guardiola fans will now try to explain to us how this is different to Mourinho (it isn't). http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36230554
There is a difference between having issues and figuring them out internally and airing your dirty laundry out to the media with a smug face because your a sad panda. The latter is being a sore loser.
As far as I see it he didnt go to no press conference and talk shit about anyone specific either, nor was it unprovoked.
He was addressing a puff piece. Once the news is out you might aswell address it. That is quite normal.
So yes its quite different. I cant even believe you made that connection to Mou whining with this. That dudes pedantic as hell when it comes to singling out people to insult and shift blame on. Its weak as fuck lol.
You dont need to be a fan to disagree with such stupid logic.
So pray do tell, how it isnt different ? Although I dont get what Mourinho has to do with it in the first place.
No one would mention Mourinho if you dont mention him.
None of the comments he made imply that he is a sore loser either. He might well be one, but the evidence to support that claim is pretty garbage if your going by that article.
There now, you got a response to your bait. Feel superior in your ignorance.
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On May 06 2016 22:27 evilfatsh1t wrote:
lol gundogan with another injury right before the season ends. if its a long one hes going to end up retiring at dortmund
He has quite a talent to get long injuries when he could get a better contract somewhere else.
I think he is overrated anyway.
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