Squats have not felt good in weeks, so this was a pleasant surprise for me, I had more in the tank. And Bench Press with chains is just fun. The scale is finally starting to move down, but I am doing this really slowly... back to ~105kg until the end of the year, hopefully.
Stronk. Squats look good. I managed 5x187kg for a PR yesterday, another week of volume before pushing for some heavier weights.
On June 30 2018 06:55 Jerubaal wrote: Dude, I've explained it to you like 3 times.
And it's one opinion in a sea of others. If there even is a best universal way to eat is highly up for debate. I think most will agree with guidelines I layed out, but even some might question aspects of those.
Their isn't strong enough evidence to say confidently that eating any one way is "healthiest" beyond the most general of principles
I watched this video recently that makes a lot of sense to me: there isnt one universal diet that is good for every human being,we all react differently to different types of foods. Worth a watch I think
@L_Master I'm going to temper my furious retort because I think you are trying to be helpful. And you called me smart, so I think that should be taken into consideration. That said, I cannot condone your attitude, which seems to discourage inquiry. Even if I accepted all of your statements, it still leaves much to be said.
I have explained that I'm investigating the CI/CO vs the Insulin Hypothesis. I had the bright idea to go through Norton's videos and try to figure out why he was so firmly in the CI/CO camp. I think that every natural science grad student should be required to take rhetoric and logic courses because so much of scientific discourse is academic. Almost nobody has actually done any of these experiments we talk about, but we can all see the results. Anywho, all I can really do is analyze his arguments. I can't say he really gave me any "aha" argument that I felt was completely convincing, but he did say a few things that were interesting.
-One of the big issues in nutritional science is that there often seems to be a disconnect between the laboratory science and the large scale studies. I think Norton, in his case, is too far on the laboratory science side. He repeatedly claims that studies show that high carb and even high sugar diets are just as good as high fat diets, when calories are controlled. Well, I haven't seen any of these studies, it was my understanding that explicitly no such study had ever been done, which is why NuSci is conducting such a study. It's my understanding that, instead, nutritional scientists have been trying, and failing, to recreate the China Study for the last 40-50 years. It should also be pointed out that a relatively healthy person should show a much smaller effect from carbs than a person with busted insulin resistance. An athlete might not have much of a difference between a cake and avocado because they are swinging the pendulum so hard in the other direction.
-Maybe the most interesting thing Norton said was that, in the presence of fat, very little carbohydrates will be converted into triglycerides, something he calls de novo fat generation. My first question is what happens to all of the excess carbs in a high carb diet? Surely not all of it can be converted to glycogen. Does it float around the bloodstream for a long time? Does it get excreted? There's also the possibility that he is wrong and either looking too closely at his biochemistry and not enough at the whole human or he's focusing on healthy people not unhealthy people. I've looked around and plenty of people saying carbs can be stored as fat. https://paleoleap.com/science-turning-carbs-to-fat-de-novo-lipogenesis/ for instance (includes links to studies). The sources I have read say that American fat intake has stayed steady since the 30s, sugar has skyrocketed, so that could be the case.
-It's more of an annoyance than anything, but it's irritating when he follows the Livestrong website and says "don't worry about insulin because it's really all about CI/CO". >.> "Don't worry about this competing paradigm because my paradigm is fine." Look, the thing about CI/CO as a theory is that it is fairly predictive. That's why it seems obvious. About 80% of the time, it's mostly right. And the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics IS always going to be in effect. If the person dies, the 2nd Law is in effect. That's not telling us anything about whether what's happening is the desired effect.
-So Mr. Eran Segal seems to appreciate the Insulin Hypothesis as well, or, at least, he realizes that the problems with insulin are not limited to having a few extra pounds on you. While interesting, his entire presentation boiled down to people having different carb sensitivities, with respect to type and amount. Ok, so some people can handle more carbs and different types of carbs without immediate adverse effects and some people can't. That doesn't qualify as enough evidence to me to say "there's no one best diet". Not everyone puts on muscle at the same rate. Some people need to go into the gym 5 times a week and some people only 3 times a week...They are doing the same thing, though.
Oh one major thing I forgot was that even if Norton's assertion that there is little de novo lipogenesis of carbs, the insulin is still preventing the fat from being released.
I'm bulking right now. xD I had some significant weight/fat loss in the spring when I was working out 5x a week along with significant hypertrophy, while basically eating whatever. I'm on round two of that right now.
We were arguing about body fat % a while ago. One reason you might need to have a certain amount of body fat to gain muscle is because insulin is very anabolic.
I didn't know anybody was arguing that you should try to gain muscle on 5% body fat. I ate like a fucking monster for many years to put on muscle. It's actually work to eat enough to build significant muscle. It's not just a fun time. So yes, if you are working out hard enough, aren't very overweight already with an impaired metabolism, and want to gain muscle then I basically recommend eating whatever you want as long as you are getting enough protein.
On July 10 2018 03:22 Jerubaal wrote: @L_Master I'm going to temper my furious retort because I think you are trying to be helpful. And you called me smart, so I think that should be taken into consideration. That said, I cannot condone your attitude, which seems to discourage inquiry. Even if I accepted all of your statements, it still leaves much to be said.
I'll respond to this now, and possible to the in depth science specific parts if I have time later.
In no way am I discouraging inquiry. As someone who studied biology and medicine, and then moved on to engineering I'm strongly in favor of research, inquiry, and discussion.
My attitude is more or less than in order to have a meaningful discussion about any question revolving how something works that isn't purely philosophical you eventually need observation and data. If I wanted to argue with you that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, I could throw out mechanisms and conceptual ideas at you till I'm blue in the face, but until there is actual evidence, testing, and observations, it's just conjecture. Possibly well reasoned, plausible conjecture, but conjecture nonetheless. With data, we can go take a look as say "ah this seems to be whats happening". From there you can go back to discussing the why, usually followed up with more data and observations and so on.
My issue with nutrition is that I flat out don't think there is much "good" data. You can quote studies at me for one line of thinking, and I can come back with others and fire back at you. We know much of the data is heavily biased due to large investment or sponsorship from major food and drug companies.
In NO way do I think nutrition shouldn't continue to be researched. Over time, this will give us better data, particularly if we can find ways to make the science more rigorous and less free to corporate interest. Even saying things like "there is no best way to eat, it's individual" is something we may well come to understand overtime, likely through a combination of understanding individual genomics on eating as well as effects of gut microbiota and other epigentic factors. So no, inquiry should not stop. In fact, in an area like this it's more needed than ever.
On August 03 2018 03:15 L_Master wrote: How'd the CF Powerlifting meet followed me 2.5+ hour rowing turn out?
I know it rained between the men’s and women’s lifts and the platforms were out exposed to the weather so that can’t have been fun. Athletes should prepare for anything but organizers shouldn’t apparently.
On August 03 2018 03:15 L_Master wrote: How'd the CF Powerlifting meet followed me 2.5+ hour rowing turn out?
I know it rained between the men’s and women’s lifts and the platforms were out exposed to the weather so that can’t have been fun. Athletes should prepare for anything but organizers shouldn’t apparently.
Yeah rain was somewhat bad, wasn't the worse in the world nothing that some chalk couldn't solve. People maxing out on squats without spotters was terrible to me, a guy missed a squat and tore his knee (some people said he missed it because he sliped on the platform but that didn't seem to be the case to me)
Tia's (60kg female) 188kg deadlift was by far the best lift.
On June 30 2018 06:55 Jerubaal wrote: Dude, I've explained it to you like 3 times.
And it's one opinion in a sea of others. If there even is a best universal way to eat is highly up for debate. I think most will agree with guidelines I layed out, but even some might question aspects of those.
Their isn't strong enough evidence to say confidently that eating any one way is "healthiest" beyond the most general of principles
I watched this video recently that makes a lot of sense to me: there isnt one universal diet that is good for every human being,we all react differently to different types of foods. Worth a watch I think
It's crazy to me how often people bring up glycemic index nowadays. Like look at this study, which they completed and published over 10 years ago, where they are concerned about how applicable the index is to any given person and so they're testing intra- and inter-individual variability. In other words, it's been suspected/known for a long time that individuals vary so much that the index is worthless. Using the index is like a lean and muscular person thinking they're overweight because they're looking at BMI. Or it's like someone looking up an estimate of their max heart rate based on age. It could be accurate but it's unlikely to be accurate for an individual. There's too much variance within the population for some general estimate to be useful.
Like the guy in the video says, anyone actually concerned about their blood glucose levels needs to test their own levels and just forget about the glycemic index. It's the only sensible way to do it. Eat whatever you want to eat and test. Change the foods/meals that cause an unhealthy response. Keep going until you find a diet you like that also yields healthy responses.
On August 10 2018 01:17 infinity21 wrote: So hard to keep working out consistently. At least I've been making up for missed workouts later in the week. Only at 75~90% of my previous maxes
I hear you man. Been super spotty all summer. Work, house and kids too stronk. I think I'm about to cut out of work early and lift right now for my first workout in weeks.
On August 10 2018 01:17 infinity21 wrote: So hard to keep working out consistently. At least I've been making up for missed workouts later in the week. Only at 75~90% of my previous maxes
I hear you man. Been super spotty all summer. Work, house and kids too stronk. I think I'm about to cut out of work early and lift right now for my first workout in weeks.
Not everything is for everyone I did have a decent lift so that was nice. Just need to find a good deal on some used gym equipment and set up in the garage and things will be easier.
On August 10 2018 01:17 infinity21 wrote: So hard to keep working out consistently. At least I've been making up for missed workouts later in the week. Only at 75~90% of my previous maxes
I hear you man. Been super spotty all summer. Work, house and kids too stronk. I think I'm about to cut out of work early and lift right now for my first workout in weeks.
Some of the dads at my gym have started hitting 4:30am workouts together cause of this lol. Sounds miserable but gotta do what ya gotta do
I have a "home" gym in my condo bedroom so not easy to do any kind of workout at odd hours without waking up my roommate. Hoping to move to a house one day so I can work out in peace and work on my car/projects.
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I did have a decent lift so that was nice. Just need to find a good deal on some used gym equipment and set up in the garage and things will be easier.
