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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 08 2018 21:14 GMT
#4121
I've done some coaching before with cycling/running, and it's a blast, especially with motivated athletes. I'm confident in most of what I do with people that aren't tremendously experienced, but I wouldn't have the confidence to work with elite athletes yet, some of the basics are the same...but the precision and tuning needed to bring the right mix of attributes to a peak at the right time is much different than coaching a newer athlete to just "get better".

EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 08 2018 21:58 GMT
#4122
Agreed. I feel great about just generally coaching myself to get stronger right now - I'm weak, by powerlifting standards and feeling really good about adding pounds to my total right now, but I know there's a coach involved somewhere in my future. I'm feeling pretty confident about adding ~200 lbs to my total (and 20 lbs to my bodyweight) by january, and we'll see how things go after that. Might be time for a coach somewhere post-400 wilks (1500 total)

@malinor If everything goes perfectly, I'd like to have a wilks around 370 (635 total @ 110) this year, 400 is somewhere off in the distance. Still, race you there.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 09 2018 10:11 GMT
#4123
my soggy dinner is the best
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 09 2018 13:17 GMT
#4124
400 is pretty elite right? I don't think I'll ever reach that score. Maybe 350.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
May 09 2018 20:21 GMT
#4125
I think most people would agree on something like this:
350 Advanced lifter
400 National level
450 International level
500 World class

These are only very rough estimates. If you are in the US you won't win much with 400 because there is just so many lifters. But in Germany you would probably be in the top10 of your weight class (top3 for women, because there is so few women lifting).
And the wilks formula is very kind to super heavy and super light lifters. It is not a perfect formula.

Anyway, I hope I will post a little bit more again in the future and battle Phyre a bit.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-09 20:26:57
May 09 2018 20:25 GMT
#4126
On May 09 2018 06:14 L_Master wrote:
I've done some coaching before with cycling/running, and it's a blast, especially with motivated athletes. I'm confident in most of what I do with people that aren't tremendously experienced, but I wouldn't have the confidence to work with elite athletes yet, some of the basics are the same...but the precision and tuning needed to bring the right mix of attributes to a peak at the right time is much different than coaching a newer athlete to just "get better".



Yeah, that surely is right. I love the idea of being a coach, it is really fun to work with motivated young people. But doing this at the elite level...that is just another ballgame. I already have a 50+ hour job ;-)
But somebody has to build up raw athletes into more advanced athletes. So this is a fine job for us.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 10 2018 00:33 GMT
#4127
On May 10 2018 05:25 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2018 06:14 L_Master wrote:
I've done some coaching before with cycling/running, and it's a blast, especially with motivated athletes. I'm confident in most of what I do with people that aren't tremendously experienced, but I wouldn't have the confidence to work with elite athletes yet, some of the basics are the same...but the precision and tuning needed to bring the right mix of attributes to a peak at the right time is much different than coaching a newer athlete to just "get better".



Yeah, that surely is right. I love the idea of being a coach, it is really fun to work with motivated young people. But doing this at the elite level...that is just another ballgame. I already have a 50+ hour job ;-)
But somebody has to build up raw athletes into more advanced athletes. So this is a fine job for us.


Yep. I REALLY enjoy it to. It's a legitimate hobby for me, and sometimes I'm almost trying to get friends to ride just so I can coach them. Problem is...it really takes up time. If you start trying to design decent training programs, especially with pure beginners there is a TON of overhead having to teach them how to do the workouts right, manage themselves in terms of pacing, etc. If I start working with 3-5 people, that can easily go to 10+hrs/wk alone, which is truthfully just too much time.

I almost want to monetize it, as I know my stuff (at least in endurance world) enough to do so. Problem is, while I developed the fitness to be a top 25 or so racer in my state...my actual bike racing skills, in large part due to natural risk avoidance, just aren't there so I don't have the race results to "validate" me when putting the name out there. Realistically I'd probably need to start coaching some decent bike friends of mine, and then let them promote me if they end up satisfied.

I don't want to make a career out of it, but if I was getting paid $15-20/hr for something like that and doing it on the side for 10-20 hours a week in school that would be really satisfying and a hell of a lot of fun.


EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-10 00:38:24
May 10 2018 00:38 GMT
#4128
Over the last 3-4 months I've programmed my gf on her squat/bench/press/deadlift and pull ups, to fit them on her crossfit program. She has made massive improvements on her crossfit by virtue of gaining strength (her conditioning is naturally very good since she is small). It takes up a lot of time, even if it's mostly focused on some variaton of progressive overloading.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-10 02:55:19
May 10 2018 02:55 GMT
#4129
On May 10 2018 05:21 Malinor wrote:
I think most people would agree on something like this:
350 Advanced lifter
400 National level
450 International level
500 World class

These are only very rough estimates. If you are in the US you won't win much with 400 because there is just so many lifters. But in Germany you would probably be in the top10 of your weight class (top3 for women, because there is so few women lifting).
And the wilks formula is very kind to super heavy and super light lifters. It is not a perfect formula.

Anyway, I hope I will post a little bit more again in the future and battle Phyre a bit.


Man at my strongest I had over 500 in just deadlift and squat and I wasn't world class. This is bench/dead/squat? What weight class is this?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
May 10 2018 04:09 GMT
#4130
On May 10 2018 09:33 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2018 05:25 Malinor wrote:
On May 09 2018 06:14 L_Master wrote:
I've done some coaching before with cycling/running, and it's a blast, especially with motivated athletes. I'm confident in most of what I do with people that aren't tremendously experienced, but I wouldn't have the confidence to work with elite athletes yet, some of the basics are the same...but the precision and tuning needed to bring the right mix of attributes to a peak at the right time is much different than coaching a newer athlete to just "get better".



Yeah, that surely is right. I love the idea of being a coach, it is really fun to work with motivated young people. But doing this at the elite level...that is just another ballgame. I already have a 50+ hour job ;-)
But somebody has to build up raw athletes into more advanced athletes. So this is a fine job for us.


Yep. I REALLY enjoy it to. It's a legitimate hobby for me, and sometimes I'm almost trying to get friends to ride just so I can coach them. Problem is...it really takes up time. If you start trying to design decent training programs, especially with pure beginners there is a TON of overhead having to teach them how to do the workouts right, manage themselves in terms of pacing, etc. If I start working with 3-5 people, that can easily go to 10+hrs/wk alone, which is truthfully just too much time.

I almost want to monetize it, as I know my stuff (at least in endurance world) enough to do so. Problem is, while I developed the fitness to be a top 25 or so racer in my state...my actual bike racing skills, in large part due to natural risk avoidance, just aren't there so I don't have the race results to "validate" me when putting the name out there. Realistically I'd probably need to start coaching some decent bike friends of mine, and then let them promote me if they end up satisfied.

I don't want to make a career out of it, but if I was getting paid $15-20/hr for something like that and doing it on the side for 10-20 hours a week in school that would be really satisfying and a hell of a lot of fun.




Yeah coaching is super time consuming. I love it but I had to start charging money for it just because I do spend a lot of my limited extra time on it. I've learned so much from my own lifting (mostly from what I've done wrong) and learning from others that it's fun to share that knowledge to help others.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 10 2018 05:41 GMT
#4131
im offering cooking coaching , bring ur own butter
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
May 10 2018 06:41 GMT
#4132
On May 10 2018 11:55 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2018 05:21 Malinor wrote:
I think most people would agree on something like this:
350 Advanced lifter
400 National level
450 International level
500 World class

These are only very rough estimates. If you are in the US you won't win much with 400 because there is just so many lifters. But in Germany you would probably be in the top10 of your weight class (top3 for women, because there is so few women lifting).
And the wilks formula is very kind to super heavy and super light lifters. It is not a perfect formula.

Anyway, I hope I will post a little bit more again in the future and battle Phyre a bit.


Man at my strongest I had over 500 in just deadlift and squat and I wasn't world class. This is bench/dead/squat? What weight class is this?


These numbers are Wilks points, not lb or kg.

If you were a 85kg male with 500wilks from DL and Squat alone, your Squat needs to be 350kg and your Deadlift 400kg ;-)
https://wilkscalculator.com/
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 10 2018 14:51 GMT
#4133
wilks points eh, yeah after messing around with that, those numbers seem about right
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-12 02:20:16
May 11 2018 23:58 GMT
#4134
On May 10 2018 11:55 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2018 05:21 Malinor wrote:
I think most people would agree on something like this:
350 Advanced lifter
400 National level
450 International level
500 World class

These are only very rough estimates. If you are in the US you won't win much with 400 because there is just so many lifters. But in Germany you would probably be in the top10 of your weight class (top3 for women, because there is so few women lifting).
And the wilks formula is very kind to super heavy and super light lifters. It is not a perfect formula.

Anyway, I hope I will post a little bit more again in the future and battle Phyre a bit.


Man at my strongest I had over 500 in just deadlift and squat and I wasn't world class. This is bench/dead/squat? What weight class is this?

https://wilkscalculator.com/

I think the highest wilks scores in history are actually over 600 raw, but 400 is definitely respectable, and anything over 500 is super-elite, world class for sure.

On May 09 2018 22:17 mordek wrote:
400 is pretty elite right? I don't think I'll ever reach that score. Maybe 350.

A 220 lb man only needs 1267.5 as a total for a 350 wilks. That’s 450/315/502.5

A 185 lb man can do the same with 1165 - that’s only 405/275/485. Absolutely anyone can reach that kind of number if they’re willing to put the time in. They’re respectable numbers for someone who lifts, but they’re not in any way exceptional.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 12 2018 05:25 GMT
#4135
On May 12 2018 08:58 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2018 11:55 IgnE wrote:
On May 10 2018 05:21 Malinor wrote:
I think most people would agree on something like this:
350 Advanced lifter
400 National level
450 International level
500 World class

These are only very rough estimates. If you are in the US you won't win much with 400 because there is just so many lifters. But in Germany you would probably be in the top10 of your weight class (top3 for women, because there is so few women lifting).
And the wilks formula is very kind to super heavy and super light lifters. It is not a perfect formula.

Anyway, I hope I will post a little bit more again in the future and battle Phyre a bit.


Man at my strongest I had over 500 in just deadlift and squat and I wasn't world class. This is bench/dead/squat? What weight class is this?

https://wilkscalculator.com/

I think the highest wilks scores in history are actually over 600 raw, but 400 is definitely respectable, and anything over 500 is super-elite, world class for sure.

Show nested quote +
On May 09 2018 22:17 mordek wrote:
400 is pretty elite right? I don't think I'll ever reach that score. Maybe 350.

A 220 lb man only needs 1267.5 as a total for a 350 wilks. That’s 450/315/502.5

A 185 lb man can do the same with 1165 - that’s only 405/275/485. Absolutely anyone can reach that kind of number if they’re willing to put the time in. They’re respectable numbers for someone who lifts, but they’re not in any way exceptional.


Coan had to be over 600 tons of times, pretty sure his all time total had to be close to 650. Admittedly, not quite raw, but at the same time it was old school more or less single ply, and they didn't have the advantage of things like DL bar.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
May 12 2018 06:02 GMT
#4136
Looks like my best lifts of 232/135/240 (lol @ my poverty bench) at my current bw give me a wilks of 360

Started doing some linear progression deadlifting as part of my general strength training. Only at a relatively easy 3x5 @ 160kg atm and god damn do i miss deadlifting. Only lifting my body was built for.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
May 12 2018 13:55 GMT
#4137
easily +400 wilks lifter confirmed here. I'm such a talented bencher, wish powerlifting meets weren't so bad.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
May 12 2018 14:05 GMT
#4138
On May 12 2018 22:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
easily +400 wilks lifter confirmed here. I'm such a talented bencher, wish powerlifting meets weren't so bad.


what do you mean bad?
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 12 2018 15:54 GMT
#4139
On May 12 2018 22:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
easily +400 wilks lifter confirmed here. I'm such a talented bencher, wish powerlifting meets weren't so bad.


In what sense? Just how long they are?
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-12 17:30:56
May 12 2018 17:30 GMT
#4140
On May 13 2018 00:54 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2018 22:55 GoTuNk! wrote:
easily +400 wilks lifter confirmed here. I'm such a talented bencher, wish powerlifting meets weren't so bad.


In what sense? Just how long they are?


Boring, underfunded, long, no prices. Doing a lift every 30 minutes in front of other lifters friend and family.

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