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decafchicken
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VHbb
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FFGenerations
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FFGenerations
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
 Didn't seem to be a problem until I pushed my OHP too far three years ago. At least I'm back in the gym regularly again. | ||
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FFGenerations
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On October 03 2017 21:41 mordek wrote: I think my days of overhead pressing movements are over. I've seen chiros and sports med doctors. Shoulder function is normal but my spine is slightly curved in a C shape between my shoulder blades and it just gets so aggravated with any moderate amount of weight Didn't seem to be a problem until I pushed my OHP too far three years ago. At least I'm back in the gym regularly again.Does the aggravation occur regardless of the movement? As in, hurts the same with barbell presses as it does with dumbbells? | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 04 2017 00:29 farvacola wrote: Does the aggravation occur regardless of the movement? As in, hurts the same with barbell presses as it does with dumbbells? Yes, I've switched to arnold presses and its only slightly better. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
 Are front raises uncomfortable as well? Have you done many pullover movements (i.e. dumbbell pullovers)? How much digging into the shoulder with a lacrosse ball or foam roller have you done, and can you stimulate the pained area doing so? If you shrug your shoulders as high as possible and lift both arms up over your head as narrowly as possible (think praising god but arms in tight), can you feel any clicking or pain?I ask because I too went through the physio/sports trainer hustle with my shoulder injuries and none of them figured out what I did after years of messing around with various unorthodox movements and rehabs. | ||
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FFGenerations
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On October 03 2017 06:27 decafchicken wrote: Barefoot/Socks or as close to it as you can. Your feet have hundreds of muscles (which contribute to a healthy foot arch) that need work since they spend all day doing nothing. If you need to wear shoes, find something flat with a non compressible sole (chuck taylors ,etc.) Isn't it flat for powerlifting, heeled for Olympic? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On October 04 2017 00:40 farvacola wrote: Few more questions, if you don't mind me probing your injury Are front raises uncomfortable as well? Have you done many pullover movements (i.e. dumbbell pullovers)? How much digging into the shoulder with a lacrosse ball or foam roller have you done, and can you stimulate the pained area doing so? If you shrug your shoulders as high as possible and lift both arms up over your head as narrowly as possible (think praising god but arms in tight), can you feel any clicking or pain?I ask because I too went through the physio/sports trainer hustle with my shoulder injuries and none of them figured out what I did after years of messing around with various unorthodox movements and rehabs. how's your mid trap activation when setting your shoulders? a friend of mine has been obsessed with shoulder winging, proper scapular retraction, proper external rotation in posture and movement, and load ordering for all upper body movements starting from the traps first. ive been working on the connection myself and my minor shoulder gripes have been a lot less troublesome | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On October 04 2017 00:40 farvacola wrote: Few more questions, if you don't mind me probing your injury Are front raises uncomfortable as well? Have you done many pullover movements (i.e. dumbbell pullovers)? How much digging into the shoulder with a lacrosse ball or foam roller have you done, and can you stimulate the pained area doing so? If you shrug your shoulders as high as possible and lift both arms up over your head as narrowly as possible (think praising god but arms in tight), can you feel any clicking or pain?I ask because I too went through the physio/sports trainer hustle with my shoulder injuries and none of them figured out what I did after years of messing around with various unorthodox movements and rehabs. I would not mind at all and appreciate it. I do not have front raise discomfort. I've done dumbbell pullovers in the past but hasn't been part of my normal regimen. I have been neglecting my lacrosse ball work I am definitely going to be doing some this evening. The muscle(s) along the left side of my neck down to about mid blade level are tight and painful. I were to lay down on my stomach it would be extremely painful to try and lift my head and turn it either direction.the movement you described is painfu at the end of range of motionl, it feels tighter and more aggravated now lol. No clicking. A couple repetitions it almost feels better as weird as that sounds. edit for Igne: I was told winging was not present as I specifically asked if that was the issue. I was told to focus on load ordering (retracting shoulders before the rest of the pull but I can't say I've actually been focusing on that. Maybe it's part of the problem in a more roundabout way since I haven't had any complaints after doing pulling exercises. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 03 2017 10:25 FFGenerations wrote: L_master, try doing some squats with your legs close together, i think this will show you what people mean by 'sitting back into it' , because with a narrow stance you have no other option than to do that... can't believe you're such a runner without squatting :3 altho 90kg is pretty high, it'd be cool to hear how much it affects your run I doubt it will effect my running. Or rather, I know it will hurting my running significantly. The gain of strength won't, but the requisite eating and gaining weight will. Weight is huge in running. Every kg of weight gained slows you down by about 5 seconds/mile. So if you train good for a year and pack on 15kg, you just went from a 17:00 5k to almost a 21:00 5k. Combine that with training less due to an increase focused on lifting and not wanting to hurt the gains with overkill aerobic training and you have a recipe to get a ton slower. Cycling is a bit different, it hurts your ability to climb just about as bad...but weight is far less of a deal on flat ground. If you're riding steady pace there is basically no penalty at all for being heavier, and even in the case of a race like a crit where there are lots of accelerations it's still generally not the end of the world. Downhill it's an advantage. I'm most curious to see how it impacts my 5 second/max sprint and 1 minute power on the bike. Those are the areas where I see the potential for an advantage as I get stronger. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 03 2017 10:25 FFGenerations wrote: L_master, try doing some squats with your legs close together, i think this will show you what people mean by 'sitting back into it' , because with a narrow stance you have no other option than to do that Yea, this is definitely what I'm struggling with the most now. It feels a little like my body doesn't want to do that, and if I try to force I'm not totally convinced I'm doing it right and definitely get into a position where the weight wants to go way behind me. I've tried to practice a bit just at home doing BW squats, and notice I can get down to about 45 degrees. At that point, it almost feels like I just can't go down further, I can't really explain why. In order to go further down I either have to shift weight forward and pull my heels up, or pull the front of my foot off the ground, which only gets me perhaps another 15 degrees. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20090 Posts
I doubt it will effect my running. Or rather, I know it will hurting my running significantly. The gain of strength won't, but the requisite eating and gaining weight will. Weight is huge in running. Every kg of weight gained slows you down by about 5 seconds/mile. So if you train good for a year and pack on 15kg, you just went from a 17:00 5k to almost a 21:00 5k. Combine that with training less due to an increase focused on lifting and not wanting to hurt the gains with overkill aerobic training and you have a recipe to get a ton slower. Cycling is a bit different, it hurts your ability to climb just about as bad...but weight is far less of a deal on flat ground. If you're riding steady pace there is basically no penalty at all for being heavier, and even in the case of a race like a crit where there are lots of accelerations it's still generally not the end of the world. Downhill it's an advantage. I'm most curious to see how it impacts my 5 second/max sprint and 1 minute power on the bike. Those are the areas where I see the potential for an advantage as I get stronger. It's very doable to add strength and improve your lifts without adding much, if any weight. In general it's just easier to maximize strength (and additionally, weight) gains by eating at a decent surplus, but not required by any means. Maintenance diet with strength work combined with a bit of speed/sport specific work shouldn't hurt your running times via weight gain. Yea, this is definitely what I'm struggling with the most now. It feels a little like my body doesn't want to do that, and if I try to force I'm not totally convinced I'm doing it right and definitely get into a position where the weight wants to go way behind me. You just have bad ankle and hip mobilty, pretty common among runners and cyclers. Nothing a bit of work cant improve over time. Finally managed a decent front squat for the first time in a while at 175 kg. My back and shoulders have been a wreck from rugby but they're starting to feel better. https://www.instagram.com/p/BZy8DM5AGau | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
I still have the impression that towards the bottom of the movement, I tend to go forward with my upper body to balance (in order to break parallel) and I don't know if this is good - but without a video it's hard to explain.. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On October 04 2017 14:39 decafchicken wrote: It's very doable to add strength and improve your lifts without adding much, if any weight. In general it's just easier to maximize strength (and additionally, weight) gains by eating at a decent surplus, but not required by any means. Maintenance diet with strength work combined with a bit of speed/sport specific work shouldn't hurt your running times via weight gain. You just have bad ankle and hip mobilty, pretty common among runners and cyclers. Nothing a bit of work cant improve over time. Finally managed a decent front squat for the first time in a while at 175 kg. My back and shoulders have been a wreck from rugby but they're starting to feel better. https://www.instagram.com/p/BZy8DM5AGau I wish my Front Squat was 175 kg decent, good work. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On October 04 2017 10:18 L_Master wrote: Yea, this is definitely what I'm struggling with the most now. It feels a little like my body doesn't want to do that, and if I try to force I'm not totally convinced I'm doing it right and definitely get into a position where the weight wants to go way behind me. I've tried to practice a bit just at home doing BW squats, and notice I can get down to about 45 degrees. At that point, it almost feels like I just can't go down further, I can't really explain why. In order to go further down I either have to shift weight forward and pull my heels up, or pull the front of my foot off the ground, which only gets me perhaps another 15 degrees. keep trying, you'll get it | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 04 2017 14:39 decafchicken wrote: It's very doable to add strength and improve your lifts without adding much, if any weight. In general it's just easier to maximize strength (and additionally, weight) gains by eating at a decent surplus, but not required by any means. Maintenance diet with strength work combined with a bit of speed/sport specific work shouldn't hurt your running times via weight gain. Agree completely. There are some shockingly strong smaller guys out there. Under those conditions and not gaining weight there would be more or less no detriment to running. For me though, I'm focused on gaining size and strength for now; time to try something different since I'm at a point where I can't really afford to spend the time/crash risk of doing much racing. Not to mention I've never really been strong + big, and I'm somewhat curious about how that makes life feel. Even if I gain 30-40lbs over the next 2-3 years and once I get done with going back to school I could always drop the weight again and go back towards the 63 or so kg that is ideal for good climbing/running. I guess main point is right now I'm fully focused on getting stronger + bigger, without getting fat, and cycling more or less for general health and keeping aerobic fitness from dropping to non-existent. On October 04 2017 14:39 decafchicken wrote: You just have bad ankle and hip mobilty, pretty common among runners and cyclers. Nothing a bit of work cant improve over time. That's actually good to know, gives me an idea of what the problem is and what I need to be addressing outside the gym. This is probably related, but I know I've always had both a running and walking style where my heel almost doesn't touch, or nearly immediately pops off the ground as I've walked. If ankle mobility is basically the ability to create a smaller angle between foot and lower leg, then that could explain why the heel likes to move as it does. Follow up question then is, as that increases, do I keep working technique in the gym with lighter weights and stay away from "regular" rep ranges or should I still do some heavier sets, even if I can't currently get myself down to ideal depth/position? | ||
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