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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 13 2014 19:53 GMT
#541
the 50/50 revenue split is only misleadingly fair. owners have a lot of equity in franchise and real estate value. the share in a sport like baseball is more around 65/35 or 6/4
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 13 2014 21:21 GMT
#542
Her more important point is that the owners are replaceable. One of the totally baffling things about the past lockout was the union 'leadership' (lol billyhunter) didn't recognize they have all of the power. People don't give a shit about the Lakers, they want to watch Kobe. The stars drive the league and somehow let the owners totally bully them into giving tons of money so franchises could be worth even more. It's nice to see that Roberts understands they don't have to let that happen again.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 22:21:05
November 13 2014 22:17 GMT
#543
On November 14 2014 06:21 Haiq343 wrote:
Her more important point is that the owners are replaceable. One of the totally baffling things about the past lockout was the union 'leadership' (lol billyhunter) didn't recognize they have all of the power. People don't give a shit about the Lakers, they want to watch Kobe. The stars drive the league and somehow let the owners totally bully them into giving tons of money so franchises could be worth even more. It's nice to see that Roberts understands they don't have to let that happen again.


during the last lockout, there was this discussion about the players creating their own league. without the owners, and therefore, without the NBA, could the players actually pull it off?? if they can't, then the owners arent really replaceable. i mean, ya you could replace jim buss or whatever with another person and it would be fine, but it isnt about that one person, its about what that person has control over.

obviously, if given enough time, i could see some sort of player's league made, but how many players would sacrifice that many money earning years to make it happen?

i mean think of how many things they need to make happen. find new arenas to play in, create another however many teams they need (this might ultimately be the hardest part), sponsorship, tv deals etc.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 13 2014 22:26 GMT
#544
On November 14 2014 07:17 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 06:21 Haiq343 wrote:
Her more important point is that the owners are replaceable. One of the totally baffling things about the past lockout was the union 'leadership' (lol billyhunter) didn't recognize they have all of the power. People don't give a shit about the Lakers, they want to watch Kobe. The stars drive the league and somehow let the owners totally bully them into giving tons of money so franchises could be worth even more. It's nice to see that Roberts understands they don't have to let that happen again.


during the last lockout, there was this discussion about the players creating their own league. without the owners, and therefore, without the NBA, could the players actually pull it off?? if they can't, then the owners arent really replaceable. i mean, ya you could replace jim buss or whatever with another person and it would be fine, but it isnt about that one person, its about what that person has control over.

obviously, if given enough time, i could see some sort of player's league made, but how many players would sacrifice that many money earning years to make it happen?

i mean think of how many things they need to make happen. find new arenas to play in, create another however many teams they need (this might ultimately be the hardest part), sponsorship, tv deals etc.


She's speaking more about fungibility, not, hypothetically, stripping the infrastructure.

Her point is, there's probably more billionaires than Lebron James in the world. Tomorrow Jimmy Buss can be replaced by Bimmy Juss. The league will continue without the slightest effect on the product. This is not the case for Anthony Davis.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 13 2014 23:35 GMT
#545
I'm telling you, the comments from the typical fan on ESPN and Twitter explain a lot about how people get exploited. I see why the auto industry can sucker people into paying years for cars they can't afford. The concepts of price, value, and appreciation vs depreciation are not widely taught in this country.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-13 23:57:17
November 13 2014 23:57 GMT
#546
On November 14 2014 07:17 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 06:21 Haiq343 wrote:
Her more important point is that the owners are replaceable. One of the totally baffling things about the past lockout was the union 'leadership' (lol billyhunter) didn't recognize they have all of the power. People don't give a shit about the Lakers, they want to watch Kobe. The stars drive the league and somehow let the owners totally bully them into giving tons of money so franchises could be worth even more. It's nice to see that Roberts understands they don't have to let that happen again.


during the last lockout, there was this discussion about the players creating their own league. without the owners, and therefore, without the NBA, could the players actually pull it off?? if they can't, then the owners arent really replaceable. i mean, ya you could replace jim buss or whatever with another person and it would be fine, but it isnt about that one person, its about what that person has control over.

obviously, if given enough time, i could see some sort of player's league made, but how many players would sacrifice that many money earning years to make it happen?

i mean think of how many things they need to make happen. find new arenas to play in, create another however many teams they need (this might ultimately be the hardest part), sponsorship, tv deals etc.

rent extractors are typically also hard to displace because they control some fixed inputs, some political/legal power or have a natural monopoly already in place. so the idea of replaceable is not about the possibility of removing but what functional value is created by ownership.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 13 2014 23:59 GMT
#547
On November 14 2014 04:16 cLutZ wrote:
Except her sentiments represent a fundamental misunderstanding of the CBA and labor economics.



On November 14 2014 04:32 slyboogie wrote:
I'm not one to appeal to authority but this is, by all accounts, the finest trial lawyer in the United States.

I like how she "fundamentally" does not understand the sphere in which she's operating. but u do. lol ur shit sucks as bad as ever dude.


Perhaps I should have said "statements" or "rhetoric" instead of "sentiments" to convey my point.

I in no way believe that she does not know how the CBA works, instead she is intentionally misrepresenting it to gain an advantage with the public. There are 3 (4, kinda) ways to expand the amount of money that the players, as a whole, get. I think that she knows this and is simply using these talking points because they are better for soundbytes.

1. Expand Basketball Related Income (BRI). This is happening through tickets, TV, etc.
2. Expand the definition of BRI. This is a major failure of the previous union leadership as some teams are quite adept at getting some tangential things not included (parking, rentals, etc).
3. Expand your % of BRI. Currently is 50/50, used to be a higher % for the players. Her main goal is probably clawing this back.
[4] Fundamentally overhaul the system (aka Decertify and blow it all up). This potentially could result in higher total money going to players because it could eliminate the salary cap and revenue splits entirely. However, it could backfire as well as it might result in removing the salary floor and could result in contraction (aka lost NBA jobs). Great players would almost certainly be paid more, but low and lower-middle tier players would probably get squeezed. This is a gamble but, in my opinion, a decent gamble.
Freeeeeeedom
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 14 2014 00:27 GMT
#548
It's no use arguing; this is about ideology not facts.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 00:31:09
November 14 2014 00:27 GMT
#549
Point 4 expressly reveals that you know what she's talking about.

You don't need to decertify to remove a salary caps, it is only a necessary maneuver to challenge a league protected-monopoly status, which the NBA does not officially have in legislation, only in Appelate Court precedence. Only the MLB has federal Anti-trust protection.

Why would you accuse her of sound bytes? Her sentiment is incredibly unpopular because the NBA has already managed to co-opt the term salary cap into the narrative of competitive balance. She's stating a fact. Any consideration of your points one through three is conceding that you are negotiating in a salary cap world. A preset percentage of revenue assigned as a labor cost is, by its very definition, a salary cap.

You can grow the pie, you can increase the percentage of your slice of pie but you'll never get the slice of pie you're worth in a pie-cap world.

Edit: the pie things not totally true, labor can have such a high percentage of revenue that the business becomes unprofitable or untenable.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 14 2014 00:41 GMT
#550
On November 14 2014 09:27 Jerubaal wrote:
It's no use arguing; this is about ideology not facts.


Have I finally crushed your cowardly Trotsky-heart?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 14 2014 00:42 GMT
#551
oooooooooooooooooooooo


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/opinion/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-legalize-sports-betting.html?_r=0
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 14 2014 01:01 GMT
#552
On November 14 2014 09:42 Ace wrote:
oooooooooooooooooooooo


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/opinion/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-legalize-sports-betting.html?_r=0


Wow, this is a big deal. Definitely an easy way to increase popularity in the United States.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 01:10:27
November 14 2014 01:07 GMT
#553
On November 14 2014 09:41 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2014 09:27 Jerubaal wrote:
It's no use arguing; this is about ideology not facts.


Have I finally crushed your cowardly Trotsky-heart?


I am rocking a rather Trotsky-ish (ite?) beard/mustache atm.

And 1) There are barely any journalists that can do such things justice. The idea that sports journalists can give it treatment is laughable.

2) It's just too polemical to have a reasonable discussion.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
November 14 2014 01:29 GMT
#554
I don't understand how people can defend Rose by saying they KNOW he is 100% dedicated to his team. He almost verbatim said he wasn't in those quotes.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 14 2014 01:37 GMT
#555
so what. he is risking horrific injury to play a game. he should be thinking about his future
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 14 2014 01:39 GMT
#556
kings with another 20 point lead. lets see how quick they lose this one
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 14 2014 01:41 GMT
#557
damn they are rocking Memphis. Maybe 08 Rudy Gay is back for good.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 01:42:52
November 14 2014 01:41 GMT
#558
On November 14 2014 10:37 oneofthem wrote:
so what. he is risking horrific injury to make millions of dollars. his future is set


Fixed it for ya.

I have no problem with him feeling this way. He said it was how he felt, so be it.

I just don't like people trying to twist it everywhere. This does not make him tough, this makes him soft. This does not make him dedicated, rather it means you should question his decisions of the last few years and going forward. For once I agree with Barkley.

Also, dah fuck is Sacramento doing >.<
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-14 01:56:25
November 14 2014 01:43 GMT
#559
millions that fans who want to watch players like him play generate?

the bulls are not forcing him to play. they probably want to save him for the playoffs, while being responsible to rose as a person.. this is a basic level of decency that some fans don't get.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 14 2014 01:46 GMT
#560
Do you guys think the Kings gonna be the Suns of this season or will their run peter out?
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