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On August 10 2014 07:30 Micro_Jackson wrote:
I wanted to compare Di Marias 60 million to other in that prize rang, to do that i looked at the 25 highest transfer fews and noticed something: Is it just me or are these "top 25" massively overpriced and dissapointments? The only players i would call "worth the money" are Ronaldo, Ferdinand and Zidane.
Its up to debate wether its pervert or not to pay someone 80 million to play for another football club but Hulk 55? Mata 44? Cavani 64.5?!? I mean i knew it was bad but holy shit so much money wasted on slightly above average players.
The only clubs that can pay that much for players are usually those that have strongest lineups anyway, so that after the transfer is completed, the dude who just joined kinda falls under the radar, not being a standout anymore, or at least not as much of a one as he was in his previous team.
On the other hand, the insane price tags are basically the result of inferior position the biggest teams are in during the transfer negotiations. Think about it: you want to further improve your squad, but all the football geniuses are either already in your team or playing for your direct rivals, who are never gonna let them go. Talents in smaller teams are usually chased by other big guns too. You could bring 12-years old prodigies and hope that they'll grow into great players later, but what if you need a great player right now? Paying millions is the only way.
Of course clubs could avoid this by backing off from the deals more often, but with this permanent rivalry and more cash being injected into the system, it's not likely to happen. Remember how it was with Denilson? Betis' president signed him for record fee just because "he could and knew that it'll help his team be more marketable". And he was right, at least for a while, even though the Brasilian has turned out to be a complete failure.
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Amazing pass by Coutinho.
1-0 Liverpool (Sturridge 10')
2-0 Liverpool (Lovren 14'))
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On August 10 2014 19:36 owenose wrote:Tbh, i have to agree with the poster above. Bayern Munich just sold Toni Kross to RM for 25M. A player who was the most dominant player in the team that won the World Championship. Compare that price of James. I know Kroos had just 1 year left on his contract, but if u guys look at the transfers out of Germany into other countries a "overpriced / underpriced" discussion is absolutely legit. Liverpool vs BVB in about 40 mins  Filip Kostic leaves FC Groningen joins VfB StuttgartGary Medel is about to sign a contract with Inter Mailand, leaving Cardiff City
I know Filip Kostic. My neighbor used to play football with him, they are still in semi-regular contact. Fucking weird how one day you are playing football with local noobs, failing school hard and wondering what the hell are you going to do with your life. And a few years later fucking Roma, PSV and a bunch of German clubs want you to be a big part of their future team.
I even knew he was set on going to Stuttgart way before the newspapers did. Could have placed a bet or something. Fuck my life.
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Liverpool looking good versus Dortmund, though it calmed down abit after half an hour or so. Amazing assist by Coutinho on Sturridges goal, Lovren getting some offensive action aswell.
Next week is gonna be so long!
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We're defending horribly but damn Liverpool are playing so precise and fast. This is amazing to watch.
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Thanks for having us Liverpool. Sorry that we couldn't give you the fight you deserved today.
Wish I could watch Sterling, Sturridge and Coutinho every week.
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I am a bit worried for Dortmunds offense, Lewy had a huge impact. They need Reus to have a monster year to comped.
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I don't think the attackers will be a problem. We need a reliable way to get them into a good position and right now I don't see a player to make the last pass. The likes of Sahin, Micky, Jojic and Hofmann know how to do it but everybody's first thought seems to be "tempo dribbling".
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community shield squads anyone?
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Arsenal XI: Szczesny, Debuchy, Koscielny, Chambers, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Alexis, Cazorla, Sanogo
subs: Martinez, Monreal, Flamini, Campbell, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud
Manchester City XI: Caballero, Clichy, Boyata, Nastasic, Kolarov, Navas, Fernando, Toure (C), Nasri, Jovetic, Dzeko
subs: Hart, Richards, Rekik, Milner, Sinclair, Silva, Zuculini
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On August 10 2014 22:26 smr wrote:
I don't think the attackers will be a problem. We need a reliable way to get them into a good position and right now I don't see a player to make the last pass. The likes of Sahin, Micky, Jojic and Hofmann know how to do it but everybody's first thought seems to be "tempo dribbling".
The last pass wont be a problem, more to get into a position to make that pass ("tempodribblings" arent a big part of the offense anyway).
Lewandowski was great at working with long, high pass (especially from Hummels) what overshadowed some buildup passing problems in the defenisve midfield. Neither Ramos nor Immobile can do that on that level so they have to do something else.
I would expect more of a 4-3-3 with Mhikitarian, Bender and Gündogan in the middle. Of course dependend wether Mhikitarian can be more consistant or not and if Gündogan can ever be on the level before his injury.
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On August 10 2014 22:43 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 22:26 smr wrote:
I don't think the attackers will be a problem. We need a reliable way to get them into a good position and right now I don't see a player to make the last pass. The likes of Sahin, Micky, Jojic and Hofmann know how to do it but everybody's first thought seems to be "tempo dribbling".
The last pass wont be a problem, more to get into a position to make that pass ("tempodribblings" arent a big part of the offense anyway). Lewandowski was great at working with long, high pass (especially from Hummels) what overshadowed some buildup passing problems in the defenisve midfield. Neither Ramos nor Immobile can do that on that level so they have to do something else. I would expect more of a 4-3-3 with Mhikitarian, Bender and Gündogan in the middle. Of course dependend wether Mhikitarian can be more consistant or not and if Gündogan can ever be on the level before his injury.
I feel that they are a big part when we enter the final third of the pitch right now. But they totally shouldn't.
I'll be happy should Gündogan return but I wouldn't make a single assumption about the upcoming season that includes him. 4-3-3 doesn't seem that likely after our friendlies but I like your suggestion. Replace Gündogan with Jojic and you have three aggressive and ball-winning players of which two are able to play a good 30-40m pass.
Aubameyang was wasted the first 45minutes because we played with 1 attacker. He really excels in a 2-attacker system next to either Immobile or Ramos.
Mats Hummels is Borussia Dortmund's new captain!
e: Missing Lewandowski will hurt us especially in big games I don't doubt that. I just feel that we have the players to play another successful system that we just don't grasp yet.
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On August 10 2014 22:53 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 22:43 Micro_Jackson wrote:On August 10 2014 22:26 smr wrote:
I don't think the attackers will be a problem. We need a reliable way to get them into a good position and right now I don't see a player to make the last pass. The likes of Sahin, Micky, Jojic and Hofmann know how to do it but everybody's first thought seems to be "tempo dribbling".
The last pass wont be a problem, more to get into a position to make that pass ("tempodribblings" arent a big part of the offense anyway). Lewandowski was great at working with long, high pass (especially from Hummels) what overshadowed some buildup passing problems in the defenisve midfield. Neither Ramos nor Immobile can do that on that level so they have to do something else. I would expect more of a 4-3-3 with Mhikitarian, Bender and Gündogan in the middle. Of course dependend wether Mhikitarian can be more consistant or not and if Gündogan can ever be on the level before his injury. I feel that they are a big part when we enter the final third of the pitch right now. But they totally shouldn't. I'll be happy should Gündogan return but I wouldn't make a single assumption about the upcoming season that includes him. 4-3-3 doesn't seem that likely after our friendlies but I like your suggestion. Replace Gündogan with Jojic and you have three aggressive and ball-winning players of which two are able to play a good 30-40m pass. Aubameyang was wasted the first 45minutes because we played with 1 attacker. He really excels in a 2-attacker system next to either Immobile or Ramos. Mats Hummels is Borussia Dortmund's new captain!e: Missing Lewandowski will hurt us especially in big games I don't doubt that. I just feel that we have the players to play another successful system that we just don't grasp yet.
What are you thinking about a 3-1-4-2 for Dortmund with Subotic, Hummels and Piscek(Sokrates) Sahin in front of that and then Bender and Mhikitarian in the middle? Could fix some problems like that everyone is covering hummels and let Subotic play the first pass.
Bayern plays it to get some pressure of the defensive midfielders and have more men in the middle.
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On an unimportant side note, my team Eintracht Frankfurt is up 2-1 against Inter Milan right now. 50,000 people in the stadium watch two atrocious defenses trying to be worse than the other one.
Edit: 3-1 at half time. Inter not really trying.
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On August 10 2014 23:01 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 22:53 smr wrote:On August 10 2014 22:43 Micro_Jackson wrote:On August 10 2014 22:26 smr wrote:
I don't think the attackers will be a problem. We need a reliable way to get them into a good position and right now I don't see a player to make the last pass. The likes of Sahin, Micky, Jojic and Hofmann know how to do it but everybody's first thought seems to be "tempo dribbling".
The last pass wont be a problem, more to get into a position to make that pass ("tempodribblings" arent a big part of the offense anyway). Lewandowski was great at working with long, high pass (especially from Hummels) what overshadowed some buildup passing problems in the defenisve midfield. Neither Ramos nor Immobile can do that on that level so they have to do something else. I would expect more of a 4-3-3 with Mhikitarian, Bender and Gündogan in the middle. Of course dependend wether Mhikitarian can be more consistant or not and if Gündogan can ever be on the level before his injury. I feel that they are a big part when we enter the final third of the pitch right now. But they totally shouldn't. I'll be happy should Gündogan return but I wouldn't make a single assumption about the upcoming season that includes him. 4-3-3 doesn't seem that likely after our friendlies but I like your suggestion. Replace Gündogan with Jojic and you have three aggressive and ball-winning players of which two are able to play a good 30-40m pass. Aubameyang was wasted the first 45minutes because we played with 1 attacker. He really excels in a 2-attacker system next to either Immobile or Ramos. Mats Hummels is Borussia Dortmund's new captain!e: Missing Lewandowski will hurt us especially in big games I don't doubt that. I just feel that we have the players to play another successful system that we just don't grasp yet. What are you thinking about a 3-1-4-2 for Dortmund with Subotic, Hummels and Piscek(Sokrates) Sahin in front of that and then Bender and Mhikitarian in the middle? Could fix some problems like that everyone is covering hummels and let Subotic play the first pass. Bayern plays it to get some pressure of the defensive midfielders and have more men in the middle.
That formation is interesting and practicable. With Subotic recovering and Ginter being added to the mix we have enough depth in the back to play three cb's. (I feel that Piszczek would be wasted in the back 3.) I haven't seen a lot Bayern games recently. The 1 sounds alot like the position Pirlo likes to play?
I'm not sure if Bender is able to play the position you would put him into but again Jojic sounds like a perfect fit.
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On August 10 2014 23:07 danzii wrote:
On an unimportant side note, my team Eintracht Frankfurt is up 2-1 against Inter Milan right now. 50,000 people in the stadium watch two atrocious defenses trying to be worse than the other one.
Edit: 3-1 at half time. Inter not really trying.
Football thread is for all football teams, Eintracht Frankfurt aren't unimportant, don't put yourselves down. If I’m going to rant about a club as tiny as Exeter City playing 4th tier football in front of as few as 3,000 fans some weeks (good 1:1 draw with Portsmouth to start the season yesterday). You can tell us all about the goings on at Frankfurt.
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I wish we had a Bournemouth fan here who kept us up to date. Had a magical few months with them in FIFA (chose them because I liked their logo the most in their league.). They are in champonship right now aren't they? Totally one of the best clubs in England imo.
e: I only have text coverage but it seems as if Arsenal did to ManC what Liverpool did to Dortmund.
42minutes: 2-0 (Cazorla and Ramsey)
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City didn't get out of bed this morning. Arsenal is gonna rock this year if they can stay off the slab.
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