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On June 03 2015 18:03 Savant.GL wrote:
IMO the world cup should be awarded based on
- infrastructure , do you have the ability to host the competition without a ridiculous investment in stadiums
will people benefit from the investment
- human rights/ethics - does the country have a history of human rights violations and will human rights be violated to host the event.
does the country have a history of racism, homophobia .
environment - is the country a reasonable place to play football in the middle of summer.
location rotation - to ensure the world cup is played globally it should not be played in the same continent consecutively.
qatar would have failed on the first 3 points.
That's pretty much impossible. There are only a few European countries which actually have the infrastructure. Even a huge football country like Brazil needed investments of billions into their stadiums. Add to that the rest of your points and you'll be with very few countries left.
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Those countries have nowhere near the political stability to hold a World Cup. Egypt and Tunisia can keep extremists away from the resorts but games would need to be played in large population centers. Not to mention Mad Max style bandits coming out of Libya and kidnapping anyone that comes within 30km of the border.
As long as ISIS is a thing every country from the Moroccan border to Iran is not safe for tourists
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Deep in the bowels of FIFA's Zurich headquarters, three floors underground in a room lined with black granite walls and beyond the reach of mobile phones, lies the powerful core of international football.
Here, the 24-member executive committee of soccer's governing body meets to plot the biggest decisions in a sport that has been rocked over the past week by sweeping U.S. corruption charges, arrests of top officials and now the shock announced departure of FIFA President Sepp Blatter.
Blatter's announcement of his resignation on Tuesday immediately led to speculation over who will stand to replace him, but without significant reform to the executive committee it may not make much difference who steps into his shoes.
Although the 79-year-old has taken much of the blame for the scandals that have buffeted FIFA under his leadership, both he and outside observers have pointed out that he is in some ways at the mercy of a committee that he does not choose.
The committee is made up of six continental confederations such as Europe's UEFA and Africa's CAF which, paradoxically, are not themselves members of FIFA. They grew up to organize international competitions in their respective continents but have now mushroomed to become a potent force in themselves.
Announcing his decision to step down, Blatter made clear he blamed the secretive committee for his federation's problems.
"The executive committee includes representatives of confederations over whom we have no control, but for whose actions FIFA is held responsible," he said.
Blatter does have a seat on the committee, but with only one vote could not control its decisions.
Nobody knows how much the executive committee members are paid, some of them have held their position for 25 years and others make a point of not talking to the media.
It was the executive committee that made the hugely controversial choice of Russia and Qatar as hosts of the 2018 and 2022 respectively, a decision which led to accusations of bribery and an investigation by FIFA’s own ethics committee.
UEFA President Michel Platini, one of Blatter's chief critics and a possible contender to replace him, has admitted he was among those who voted for the Gulf state with almost no football tradition and which is now under fire for its treatment of migrant workers in the construction industry.
In the last five years, nine members of the executive committee have either been banned for corruption or resigned after being put under investigation.
They included Jeffrey Webb, president of North American, Central American and Caribbean confederation CONCACAF, who was among the seven people arrested in a dawn raid last week on the luxury lakeside Zurich hotel where FIFA regularly pampers its visitors.
source
Nice article about the FIFA executive committee and how it works. There's a bit more if you follow the link.
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If the infrastructure is a game breaker there are very few countries left, as I don't think building anything is a really good idea in the long run. The only countries that have 8 stadiums with 50k capacity are:
- brazil 
- south africa
- china (!)
- germany
- spain
and a few countries would be close: England, Japan, Argentina, South Korea, United States. And a few would have to expand slightly more: Mexico (!), Malaysia(!), Italy, France.
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Just keeps delivering from an entertainment perspective:
Reaction to the week’s events includes this from the president of the French Football Federation, Noël Le Graët, who voted for Blatter at the presidential election, but has “no regrets”. “I don’t regret [voting for Blatter], I’ve always assumed my responsibilities. I think Blatter led Fifa without cheating and I still think that. There’s a lot of mud-slinging.”
He also told RMC: “There were two candidates: Prince Ali and Sepp Blatter, I preferred Blatter. I didn’t think Prince Ali had enough experience. At the time I voted, Fifa was not corrupt up to the top. There were certainly lapses at global level, but to imagine that Fifa, from its headquarters, could arrange cheating, I didn’t believe that last week.” Will he resign? “I don’t see why I should.”
French interview
Edit:
Betting odds
Figo in 3rd place. PANDEEEEEEEEEE!
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Yeah see that is what is wrong with FIFA as well is that huge ass committee which decides things. It should be half the size and less responsibility. That committee should be working on the decided proposals to draw up and take to the whole congress for voting and not decided between themselves that is now how it works. Should run it like a Government imo.
Hopefully we will see the guys like Figo and Netherlands FA guy to step back into the ring and get a really good voting system going forward and really re change the structure. However this is still a mighty tall order!
But at least the 79 year old senile old fool is the not the head of this shit anymore!
I hope Platini does not want it, he will win it if he does which is wrong he isn't what we need. Prince Ali might be good enough start and go from there. Perfect would be Michael van Praag or Figo as they will really dig deep and try there hardest to fix the place for sure. David Gill as vice president will be great too!
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Edit: Eh was a tweet about police arriving at Fifa HQ but it apparently is only there because of a Palestinian demonstration.
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On June 03 2015 21:35 Pandemona wrote:
I hope Platini does not want it, he will win it if he does which is wrong he isn't what we need. Prince Ali might be good enough start and go from there. Perfect would be Michael van Praag or Figo as they will really dig deep and try there hardest to fix the place for sure. David Gill as vice president will be great too!
The problem with all these candidates is that they are essentially European. The South African FA in their press conference today made reference to fighting imperialism.
I think that that Hyundai boss might have a chance if he is serious and can get Africa behind him.
And then there is always that Sheikh that backed Blatter. Was rumoured that he only did it because he wanted to run 2019 and did not want to face Ali as the incumbent.
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Sky sources understand beaten FIFA presidential candidate Prince Ali bin Al Hussein is investigating whether existing rules could allow him to take on the role on an interim basis until a new election can be called
GET OUT BLATTER!
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On June 03 2015 21:42 sneirac wrote:Edit: Eh was a tweet about police arriving at Fifa HQ but it apparently is only there because of a Palestinian demonstration. Edit 2: Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 21:35 Pandemona wrote:
I hope Platini does not want it, he will win it if he does which is wrong he isn't what we need. Prince Ali might be good enough start and go from there. Perfect would be Michael van Praag or Figo as they will really dig deep and try there hardest to fix the place for sure. David Gill as vice president will be great too! The problem with all these candidates is that they are essentially European. The South African FA in their press conference today made reference to fighting imperialism. I think that that Hyundai boss might have a chance if he is serious and can get Africa behind him. And then there is always that Sheikh that backed Blatter. Was rumoured that he only did it because he wanted to run 2019 and did not want to face Ali as the incumbent.
Yeah i can see that reasoning but they haven't got a choice if no one puts their hat in the ring they have to vote for someone xD
South Korean former FIFA vice president also said he might run which be nice, he always been against Blatter :D
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On June 03 2015 20:21 aseq wrote:If the infrastructure is a game breaker there are very few countries left, as I don't think building anything is a really good idea in the long run. The only countries that have 8 stadiums with 50k capacity are: - brazil - south africa - china (!) - germany - spain and a few countries would be close: England, Japan, Argentina, South Korea, United States. And a few would have to expand slightly more: Mexico (!), Malaysia(!), Italy, France.
The US has 9 stadiums over 100k capacity and 106 over 50k capacity. It could host the men's world cup, women's world cup, and Olympics during the NFL playoffs and be fine.
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On June 03 2015 21:54 Eliezar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 20:21 aseq wrote:If the infrastructure is a game breaker there are very few countries left, as I don't think building anything is a really good idea in the long run. The only countries that have 8 stadiums with 50k capacity are: - brazil - south africa - china (!) - germany - spain and a few countries would be close: England, Japan, Argentina, South Korea, United States. And a few would have to expand slightly more: Mexico (!), Malaysia(!), Italy, France. The US has 9 stadiums over 100k capacity and 106 over 50k capacity. It could host the men's world cup, women's world cup, and Olympics during the NFL playoffs and be fine.
Haha indeed, problem with US though is the size of the place. Would need to have like a "south west" world cup and a "north east" womens world cup etcetc so you are not traveling 5 hours on a plane from stadium to stadium
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Traveling by plane to different stadiums already happened in Brazil.
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Regional US bids would honestly be as much or more appropriate. Texas or California themselves are as ready as most any country outside of Germany to host a world cup.
Texas has 8 stadiums of 60k or more but that would be counting doubled stadiums in Houston and Dallas.
California has 8 stadiums of 56k or more.
etc
I think though that all large countries will have travel infractructure challenges like US 94 or Brazil. Germany though...man it was easy getting around there to games.
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On June 03 2015 21:54 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 21:42 sneirac wrote:Edit: Eh was a tweet about police arriving at Fifa HQ but it apparently is only there because of a Palestinian demonstration. Edit 2: On June 03 2015 21:35 Pandemona wrote:
I hope Platini does not want it, he will win it if he does which is wrong he isn't what we need. Prince Ali might be good enough start and go from there. Perfect would be Michael van Praag or Figo as they will really dig deep and try there hardest to fix the place for sure. David Gill as vice president will be great too! The problem with all these candidates is that they are essentially European. The South African FA in their press conference today made reference to fighting imperialism. I think that that Hyundai boss might have a chance if he is serious and can get Africa behind him. And then there is always that Sheikh that backed Blatter. Was rumoured that he only did it because he wanted to run 2019 and did not want to face Ali as the incumbent. Yeah i can see that reasoning but they haven't got a choice if no one puts their hat in the ring they have to vote for someone xD South Korean former FIFA vice president also said he might run which be nice, he always been against Blatter :D
I think that is the Hyundai boss I heard of. You should also keep in mind that this "quick" election will not be held until December. Jack Warner might be cleared to run by then. And for the sake of not getting to happy you should read up on Sheikh Ahmad, here is a Sky piece from last week.
Unless he somehow get's implicated in this mess he will be a deciding factor, lots and lots of influence.
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Lol
"Blatter feels Africa, he sees Africa and he has imparted so much. What Blatter pushes is equity, fairness and equality among the nations. We don't want to experiment."
Nigerian FA President on Blatter #facepalm
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On June 03 2015 19:40 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 18:03 Savant.GL wrote:
IMO the world cup should be awarded based on
- infrastructure , do you have the ability to host the competition without a ridiculous investment in stadiums
will people benefit from the investment
- human rights/ethics - does the country have a history of human rights violations and will human rights be violated to host the event.
does the country have a history of racism, homophobia .
environment - is the country a reasonable place to play football in the middle of summer.
location rotation - to ensure the world cup is played globally it should not be played in the same continent consecutively.
qatar would have failed on the first 3 points. That's pretty much impossible. There are only a few European countries which actually have the infrastructure. Even a huge football country like Brazil needed investments of billions into their stadiums. Add to that the rest of your points and you'll be with very few countries left.
That's the point. The Olympics and WC should just be rotated between a few major nations.
Asking a place like Brazil to invest billions into stadiums that sit completely unused after is ridiculous. Qatar is a disaster in every sense of the word. Going to countries like that, tons of money gets skimmed off the top by corrupt people, the insanely expensive facilities go unused after, the plans drain public coffers and don't get a return on investment, and then you have deplorable human rights violations.
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I just got back from Jeju United vs FC Seongnam. Cracking game.
Jeju looked on top for long spells and lead 3-1 for most of the second half. A Seongnam goal with 10mins to go sends the game in to panic Jeju defending with not a thought of venturing forwards. Seognam finally break through with 89mins on the clock. Every one around me despairs except the 100 or so away Seongnam fans that have been in fine voice all game 3-3. Jeju launch a last attack and their first in at least 10mins or so. Unbelievably they score the winner in injury time, 4-3. The place erupts.
It's a massive stadium they have here. 30,000 or something for a club that averages 3,000 or so. But that's what the World Cup is for right? Building massive stadiums places that don't need them? I guess the Koreans can at least fill them with pop concerts.
If I had to compare the level of football to English I'd say both teams would have beaten Exeter City. Korean work effort and stamina with un-heard of Brazilians playing up front trying to make a name for themselves and providing the break through and cutting edge that lacks from the Korean football traditionally. I think both clubs would struggle to stay in The Championship. It sounds a bit harsh to compare Korean top flight football with English 3rd tier. But that's probably not to far from the truth.
I have pictures if anyone’s interested. But they are nothing special to be honest so I’ll leave them out for now.
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On June 03 2015 22:10 Eliezar wrote:
Regional US bids would honestly be as much or more appropriate. Texas or California themselves are as ready as most any country outside of Germany to host a world cup.
Texas has 8 stadiums of 60k or more but that would be counting doubled stadiums in Houston and Dallas.
California has 8 stadiums of 56k or more.
etc
I think though that all large countries will have travel infractructure challenges like US 94 or Brazil. Germany though...man it was easy getting around there to games.
The problem with a lot of those stadiums though is that they have bleachers and/or turf, neither of which are FIFA-approved.
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I never understood the hate on turf. I would chose it every time over grass when playing. The only real negatives in my mind are that in the dead of summer turf is insanely hot vs grass. Also the potential health concerns about it namely the ground tires. There's not been any real studies, but that one goalie mentioned that he knows several other goalies who have blood cancers. I wouldn't put a ton of stock into that without a real study.
But as far as game play, I think it's 10x better on turf. I guess they get better grass at a soccer only pro stadium but the stuff that the other 99% play on it's not even close.
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This idea of hosting the World Cup in a group of countries is really interesting. Although you can't possibly have 3-4 countries qualify directly to the WC.
Morocco does have big stadiums but it is a really poor country - infrastructure, safety and so one would be a problem. I'd love to see it host though, it is a wonderful country to visit.
The gulf countries (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait) are the only Arab countries with the infrastructure to, together, host a WC - too bad it's impossible to play there in the Summer, although isn't this WC-in-the-Summer thing a bit unfair to those types of countries?
In a perfect, magical world, an awesome idea would actually be to have Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria hold a WC together. That would solve everything and create World Peace forever.
Or what about an Iraq+Iran world cup? They would actually have the stadiums and some oil money to put shit together, not to mention actually having half-decent football teams.
My personal favorite would be a Caribbean WC (that could involve Mexico because stadiums).
PS: The odds for next FIFA president are hilarious. 500/1 on Vladimir Putin. 250/1 Eric Cantona.
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