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On May 28 2015 19:02 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 18:01 Twisted wrote:
I think you have to look at popularity what each team represents. There's 300 million people in the US with cities totalling 8-10 million people. Yet there are only like 20 or whatever teams in that entire country in the league. If popularity of football was big in the US you could have a league for every state (like in the EU) and then you could compare. Right now popularity is extremely low and that's not because of attendance numbers in the stadiums, but by how small the league is compared to the entire country.
In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). I think you hit the nail there. Spain have 2 divisions since 1928 and now It has the top two leagues more 5-6 regional levels above. Other european countries the same. But then you have countries like USA; Japon or Korea where football is recent. You can see how underdeveloped it is just looking at the low amount of professional teams and leagues they have. Specially USA with the population of all Europe and can be easily surpassed by small countries like Portugal or Uruguay.
America has a thing with franchise sports. Their collage sport fills the grassroots/history/local team void left by the franchises. Japan and Korea did their own thing with sports pre-WWII and when the Americans came they brought their sporting culture with them.
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On May 28 2015 19:08 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 19:02 haitike wrote:On May 28 2015 18:01 Twisted wrote:
I think you have to look at popularity what each team represents. There's 300 million people in the US with cities totalling 8-10 million people. Yet there are only like 20 or whatever teams in that entire country in the league. If popularity of football was big in the US you could have a league for every state (like in the EU) and then you could compare. Right now popularity is extremely low and that's not because of attendance numbers in the stadiums, but by how small the league is compared to the entire country.
In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). I think you hit the nail there. Spain have 2 divisions since 1928 and now It has the top two leagues more 5-6 regional levels above. Other european countries the same. But then you have countries like USA; Japon or Korea where football is recent. You can see how underdeveloped it is just looking at the low amount of professional teams and leagues they have. Specially USA with the population of all Europe and can be easily surpassed by small countries like Portugal or Uruguay. America has a thing with franchise sports. Their collage sport fills the grassroots/history/local team void left by the franchises. Japan and Korea did their own thing with sports pre-WWII and when the Americans came they brought their sporting culture with them.
franchise aside, in Spain every town has a professional team. You can go to Huelva, or Murcia, or Alicante, and you will find one. You have too all the amateurs and semi-amateurs teams of towns and villages. You can't find that "football culture" around all the corners of the country in USA or Korean.
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On May 28 2015 19:16 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 19:08 zeo wrote:On May 28 2015 19:02 haitike wrote:On May 28 2015 18:01 Twisted wrote:
I think you have to look at popularity what each team represents. There's 300 million people in the US with cities totalling 8-10 million people. Yet there are only like 20 or whatever teams in that entire country in the league. If popularity of football was big in the US you could have a league for every state (like in the EU) and then you could compare. Right now popularity is extremely low and that's not because of attendance numbers in the stadiums, but by how small the league is compared to the entire country.
In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). I think you hit the nail there. Spain have 2 divisions since 1928 and now It has the top two leagues more 5-6 regional levels above. Other european countries the same. But then you have countries like USA; Japon or Korea where football is recent. You can see how underdeveloped it is just looking at the low amount of professional teams and leagues they have. Specially USA with the population of all Europe and can be easily surpassed by small countries like Portugal or Uruguay. America has a thing with franchise sports. Their collage sport fills the grassroots/history/local team void left by the franchises. Japan and Korea did their own thing with sports pre-WWII and when the Americans came they brought their sporting culture with them. franchise aside, in Spain every town has a professional team. You can go to Huelva, or Murcia, or Alicante, and you will find one. You have too all the amateurs and semi-amateurs teams of towns and villages. You can't find that "football culture" around all the corners of the country in USA or Korean.
Maybe because in Europe amateur football created demand and a structure for professional football, whereas either demand or the pre existing structure was/is lacking in the USA or Korea.
The rumors about travel restrictions on Swiss citizens including Blatter appear to have been false.
And it's curious to see the Russian overreaction to the arrests, although I might be reading too much into that and it is just the regular Russia vs USA rethoric.
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On May 28 2015 19:28 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 19:16 haitike wrote:On May 28 2015 19:08 zeo wrote:On May 28 2015 19:02 haitike wrote:On May 28 2015 18:01 Twisted wrote:
I think you have to look at popularity what each team represents. There's 300 million people in the US with cities totalling 8-10 million people. Yet there are only like 20 or whatever teams in that entire country in the league. If popularity of football was big in the US you could have a league for every state (like in the EU) and then you could compare. Right now popularity is extremely low and that's not because of attendance numbers in the stadiums, but by how small the league is compared to the entire country.
In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). I think you hit the nail there. Spain have 2 divisions since 1928 and now It has the top two leagues more 5-6 regional levels above. Other european countries the same. But then you have countries like USA; Japon or Korea where football is recent. You can see how underdeveloped it is just looking at the low amount of professional teams and leagues they have. Specially USA with the population of all Europe and can be easily surpassed by small countries like Portugal or Uruguay. America has a thing with franchise sports. Their collage sport fills the grassroots/history/local team void left by the franchises. Japan and Korea did their own thing with sports pre-WWII and when the Americans came they brought their sporting culture with them. franchise aside, in Spain every town has a professional team. You can go to Huelva, or Murcia, or Alicante, and you will find one. You have too all the amateurs and semi-amateurs teams of towns and villages. You can't find that "football culture" around all the corners of the country in USA or Korean. Maybe because in Europe amateur football created demand and a structure for professional football, whereas either demand or the pre existing structure was/is lacking in the USA or Korea.
The rumors about travel restrictions on Swiss citizens including Blatter appear to have been false. And it's curious to see the Russian overreaction to the arrests, although I might be reading too much into that and it is just the regular Russia vs USA rethoric.
One of the investigations is about WC2018 in Russia, of course they will react that way to it.
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CAF statement via the Guardian ticker
The Confederation of African Football opposes any postponement of the 65th FIFA Congress and the election for the presidency scheduled May 29, 2015 in Zurich. During the meeting of the federation held May 27, 2015 in Zurich, the FCA reiterated its support for the candidacy of Sepp Blatter in the election.
It should be noted that CAF is following with particular attention the events that occur at this time in the football family. It reaffirms its commitment to work and to cooperate in safeguarding the ethical and moral values that underlie the practice of the sport, its organization and administration. Hence its full and ongoing support to the package of measures driven to FIFA in recent years in improving governance.
CAF reaffirms its readiness to cooperate in this direction with all the institutions that engage and subscribes it to zero tolerance regarding offenders regardless of their profile or origin.
Still waiting for news from the emergency meeting and the UEFA meeting.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I hate these stupid federations. I know they all have their rights to say this stuff but holy crap why do the countries like that get such a huge say in FIFA because the continent is so big yet so poor in football it produces. Ah well /rant
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On May 28 2015 20:31 Pandemona wrote:
I hate these stupid federations. I know they all have their rights to say this stuff but holy crap why do the countries like that get such a huge say in FIFA because the continent is so big yet so poor in football it produces. Ah well /rant
'We love equality for everybody and think all humans are equal, unless they don't listen to us don't do exactly what we want' 
I think the Africans (or the Carribians) were the guys that compared Blatter to Jesus, Winston Churchill and Nelson Mandela. I think he has their vote.
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On May 28 2015 20:44 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 20:31 Pandemona wrote:
I hate these stupid federations. I know they all have their rights to say this stuff but holy crap why do the countries like that get such a huge say in FIFA because the continent is so big yet so poor in football it produces. Ah well /rant 'We love equality for everybody and think all humans are equal, unless they don't listen to us don't do exactly what we want' I think the Africans (or the Carribians) were the guys that compared Blatter to Jesus, Winston Churchill and Nelson Mandela. I think he has their vote.
Africa backs Blatter, a vote against would be 'blasphemy'
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On May 28 2015 20:48 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 20:44 zeo wrote:On May 28 2015 20:31 Pandemona wrote:
I hate these stupid federations. I know they all have their rights to say this stuff but holy crap why do the countries like that get such a huge say in FIFA because the continent is so big yet so poor in football it produces. Ah well /rant 'We love equality for everybody and think all humans are equal, unless they don't listen to us don't do exactly what we want' I think the Africans (or the Carribians) were the guys that compared Blatter to Jesus, Winston Churchill and Nelson Mandela. I think he has their vote. Africa backs Blatter, a vote against would be 'blasphemy'
Was just about to post this for Pande to enjoy.
This line is also great, on Egypt leaning to Prince Ali
"If Egypt did that it would be treason," he declared. "The headquarters of CAF is in Cairo and Egypt's behaviour should be exemplary in line with our constitution."
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A Barca fan in charge of corruption and referee's. Lord help us! He'll take away the goal posts so the only thing that matters in a football match is ball possession. Is Blatter really that bad?
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On May 28 2015 20:11 Pandemona wrote:Russia will cause a fuss about anything concerning them right now due to political issues in the country and around the world which everyone is aware off. They hate America and probably blame them for the sanctions they have on them, so anything to flag up with them right now is going to happen. It is a shame as me personally have no issue with a World Cup in Russia. When my dad went to the champions league final there he said it was the safest experience he had at an away football match in another country. The VISA issue was the only moan he had but that will be fixed for the World Cup. Anyone kind of off topic there Here's hoping UEFA pull out of going to elections tomorrow to at least put pressure onto FIFA. I know as stated that there are more people in the other confederations who back Blatter but they still can't do anything with UEFA present im sure.
Adding into the USA debate, i was having this kind of discussion with shelly (shellshock) on skype. I am dumbfounded how a country like the USA does not have Basketball/NFL/NHL/MLB or even MLS teams at least one in every state. But it is all done on advertising/money. If a city can't keep a stadium full and money coming in they just shut the franchise down and move it on. I mean what a joke that is lol. NewYork has 2x MLS teams and LA has 2x basketball teams. Yet some states have neither lol. Beyond me. Also he said i think minnesota? Had a 100,000 seater college stadium for college games yet the professional team which i think he said were new has a stadium of like 60,000 ? lol. How on earth can you fill 100,000 seat stadium for ametur sports and not have the same for professional level. Murica be crazy!
TCF Stadium is the U of M's stadium, seats 80,000 with I think an addition that was made for the NFL team while their new stadium is built. According to Wikipedia, the new Viking's stadium only seats 73,000 XD. But Minnesota is a good example of a lot of this because we have a history of Franchises leaving the state. The LA Lakers were the Minneapolis Lakers, a name that actually makes sense for Minnesota, and the team was moved to LA shortly after the Dodgers moved in the early sixties.
Same for the old NHL team, the North Stars, or now the Dallas Stars. Teams follow the money, and you need a lot of money to be competitive. I don't think the good people of Wichita, Kansas want to show up to watch their team limp into a professional event in the dominant professional league of your choosing, just to have it look like Michael Jordan playing 1 on 1 with the neighborhood dads.
Interestingly enough, while looking at Wichita because that was the first city that came to mind, there seem to exist a lot of peripheral, smaller leagues that pretty much no one outside of people in the local area/the very dedicated would be aware of; the graphic below are cities with AA Hockey teams. Minnesota has a AAA Baseball team called the Saints, which Bill Murray co-owns.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mOD2gs9.png)
I guess that is a very round about way of saying, there is probably a semi-pro/pro team in a given metropolitan area of a reasonable size, the league just isn't really covered without really looking for it.
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UEFA press conference expected within the next 30 minutes.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 28 2015 21:07 sneirac wrote:
UEFA press conference expected within the next 30 minutes.
Please good news :D
On May 28 2015 21:04 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 20:11 Pandemona wrote:Russia will cause a fuss about anything concerning them right now due to political issues in the country and around the world which everyone is aware off. They hate America and probably blame them for the sanctions they have on them, so anything to flag up with them right now is going to happen. It is a shame as me personally have no issue with a World Cup in Russia. When my dad went to the champions league final there he said it was the safest experience he had at an away football match in another country. The VISA issue was the only moan he had but that will be fixed for the World Cup. Anyone kind of off topic there Here's hoping UEFA pull out of going to elections tomorrow to at least put pressure onto FIFA. I know as stated that there are more people in the other confederations who back Blatter but they still can't do anything with UEFA present im sure.
Adding into the USA debate, i was having this kind of discussion with shelly (shellshock) on skype. I am dumbfounded how a country like the USA does not have Basketball/NFL/NHL/MLB or even MLS teams at least one in every state. But it is all done on advertising/money. If a city can't keep a stadium full and money coming in they just shut the franchise down and move it on. I mean what a joke that is lol. NewYork has 2x MLS teams and LA has 2x basketball teams. Yet some states have neither lol. Beyond me. Also he said i think minnesota? Had a 100,000 seater college stadium for college games yet the professional team which i think he said were new has a stadium of like 60,000 ? lol. How on earth can you fill 100,000 seat stadium for ametur sports and not have the same for professional level. Murica be crazy! TCF Stadium is the U of M's stadium, seats 80,000 with I think an addition that was made for the NFL team while their new stadium is built. According to Wikipedia, the new Viking's stadium only seats 73,000 XD. But Minnesota is a good example of a lot of this because we have a history of Franchises leaving the state. The LA Lakers were the Minneapolis Lakers, a name that actually makes sense for Minnesota, and the team was moved to LA shortly after the Dodgers moved in the early sixties. Same for the old NHL team, the North Stars, or now the Dallas Stars. Teams follow the money, and you need a lot of money to be competitive. I don't think the good people of Wichita, Kansas want to show up to watch their team limp into a professional event in the dominant professional league of your choosing, just to have it look like Michael Jordan playing 1 on 1 with the neighborhood dads. Interestingly enough, while looking at Wichita because that was the first city that came to mind, there seem to exist a lot of peripheral, smaller leagues that pretty much no one outside of people in the local area/the very dedicated would be aware of; the graphic below are cities with AA Hockey teams. Minnesota has a AAA Baseball team called the Saints, which Bill Murray co-owns. I guess that is a very round about way of saying, there is probably a semi-pro/pro team in a given metropolitan area of a reasonable size, the league just isn't really covered without really looking for it.
Hmm ok then, but in terms of the MLS for example the whole MLS has 20 teams and there are 50 states? So imo it would be better to have a proper league system of Eastern 1 Eastern 2 and West 1 West 2 and divide it up to 25 teams a piece and go that way. But i guess that just me being European and a bit unfair to the US for what they do.
I just find it said that you have to make "x" amount of money to be successful or the team just disappears lol
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On May 28 2015 21:13 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 21:07 sneirac wrote:
UEFA press conference expected within the next 30 minutes. Please good news :D
Die hope die!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Good dammit lol. Back to the feint hope that some how Prince Ali wins zzz
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On May 28 2015 21:16 Pandemona wrote:
Good dammit lol. Back to the feint hope that some how Prince Ali wins zzz
So it seems it's around 50/50
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Given that no one expects him to get more than 60 total that would be a massive surprise, but the shy Blatter tweet from the same account is nice =)
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
BELIEVE BOYS!!!!
haha! I hope he is right, i would love to see Blatter lose just to see his tears then at least from then on in the next election in the future we might have a chance to completely change the leader and maybe Figo will get his chance then or someone similar.
First thing that is needed to be done is to oust Blatter. Then you move on from there, the Africans and such will be left distraught without Blatter in control and maybe they will get reformed.
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