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smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
April 09 2015 17:54 GMT
#13081
So... I heard ødegaard and Real aren't too happy with each other? Dumb boy should've choosen Ajax...
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
April 09 2015 18:09 GMT
#13082
Or Feyenoord We have a batch of Swedish players already and I believe Norwegian isn't all that different from Swedish (this may just be me being ignorant though).
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
April 09 2015 18:36 GMT
#13083
On April 10 2015 02:54 smr wrote:
So... I heard ødegaard and Real aren't too happy with each other? Dumb boy should've choosen Ajax...


If the story is true ødegaard just seems to be a douchbag. The really great ones would play so hard that the coach doesnt have another choice then let him play / practice with the first team not due to some weird contract clause.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 19:41:02
April 09 2015 19:04 GMT
#13084
On April 10 2015 03:36 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 02:54 smr wrote:
So... I heard ødegaard and Real aren't too happy with each other? Dumb boy should've choosen Ajax...


If the story is true ødegaard just seems to be a douchbag. The really great ones would play so hard that the coach doesnt have another choice then let him play / practice with the first team not due to some weird contract clause.

The silly part is his 'contract' first team training is that its the last training before a game, so he misses the B team preparations. No wonder he just doesn't fit in with the B team on matchday because he didn't train with them.

Of course Zidan should bench him, the team plays better with players that actually train with each other.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 09 2015 19:04 GMT
#13085
On April 10 2015 03:36 Micro_Jackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 02:54 smr wrote:
So... I heard ødegaard and Real aren't too happy with each other? Dumb boy should've choosen Ajax...


If the story is true ødegaard just seems to be a douchbag. The really great ones would play so hard that the coach doesnt have another choice then let him play / practice with the first team not due to some weird contract clause.


It just shows that to succeed you don't only need talent and workrate but to be right in the head too.
If messi pulled that stunt when he went to la masia he would've never become who he is now.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
April 09 2015 20:00 GMT
#13086
On April 10 2015 02:54 smr wrote:
So... I heard ødegaard and Real aren't too happy with each other? Dumb boy should've choosen Ajax...


Doubt it. The story came from AS, and from what I've seen, these Spanish papers are better used as toilet paper than as reading material.

They say he's mad because he was "dropped" for two games. The first game he was "dropped" for was on March 29...literally a day after Odegaard played in Norway's Euro 2016 qualification match against Croatia. Kinda hard to play for your club when you're on international duty, right?

The second game was against Conquense on April 5. Odegaard was on the bench but didn't play. Which could be for a number of reasons. Like the fact that Conquense are the last place team in the league. Or the fact that he's a 16 year old with a body that's still developing.

Even if the story is true, what the heck do people expect? If you constantly hype up a 15/16 year old like this, of course it's going to go to his head. He would be a victim of his environment and the stupid hype culture in sports.

On April 09 2015 14:58 ZapRoffo wrote:
Meantime, America turns a 3-0 first leg loss with a 6-0 home win. 5 goals in first 32 minutes, 4 by the same guy, Dario Benedetto.


Wow. I thought that only happened in FM. Guess not.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
April 09 2015 20:54 GMT
#13087
Dani Alves has confirmed to leave Barcelona this summer. I wonder to what team he will go.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 09 2015 21:47 GMT
#13088
Douglas hwaiting!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 09 2015 21:49 GMT
#13089
On April 10 2015 05:54 haitike wrote:
Dani Alves has confirmed to leave Barcelona this summer. I wonder to what team he will go.

Paris most likely. Bye bye Van der Wiel, we won't regret you.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 21:51:54
April 09 2015 21:51 GMT
#13090
On April 10 2015 05:00 Ferrose wrote:

Even if the story is true, what the heck do people expect? If you constantly hype up a 15/16 year old like this, of course it's going to go to his head. He would be a victim of his environment and the stupid hype culture in sports.

This is exactly the reason why it was a bad idea to go to a club like Real in the first place imo.

edit: wow, i suck at quoting.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#13091
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 00:02:39
April 10 2015 00:00 GMT
#13092
On April 10 2015 03:09 Ysellian wrote:
Or Feyenoord We have a batch of Swedish players already and I believe Norwegian isn't all that different from Swedish (this may just be me being ignorant though).


Norwegians and swedes understand each other pretty much perfectly. Depends a little on dialect, if the swedes are from around Malmø or the Norwegians are from the west coast it becomes tougher.

I think this is _completely_ overblown though. Well, everything is, kinda. I can't fault Ødegaard for letting things get a little to his head. He's literally the most fawned over Norwegian 16 year old, ever. The media exposure has been way out of hand, for him not to be affected would be far more exceptional than for him to be affected.

That being said, this story, that he somehow would refuse to train with the B team, seems like total BS. My impression is that he truly is exceptional - not just talent wise - but his professionalism as well. His dad is really smart and down to earth. He's not surrounded by greedy agents. Real Madrid actually knows that he is 16 - and while Norwegian media (and presumably to some degree media elsewhere as well) has been pushing the idea of him breaking records being youngest ever CL player etc (didn't happen), my impression has been that these speculations have all been groundless. My impression is that so far, he's neither ahead of or behind the actual schedule, just that some people had completely unrealistic expectations. He's been exposed to the very highest level of players possible, has largely become part of the RM group, but it's quite likely that he'll be loaned out for match experience next season. During which he will be 16-17..

Fact is, if he went to say, Ajax, I'm not sure it'd be good for him to be starting games there either. He could, and was great in the Norwegian league, but I mean.. We kinda suck.. Our best and most successful non-Ødegaard players of the past 5 years have managed to establish themselves as pretty important players for teams like Celtic, Hertha Berlin and AZ Alkmaar, and mostly after difficult first seasons with little play time - and they all left Norway after turning 20..

Further, Norwegians who watched with him prior to the match against Croatia were saying that he seems to have improved significantly. Higher tempo, better vision. And having Real Madrid on your football CV pretty much leaves all doors open.
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smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
April 10 2015 08:17 GMT
#13093
Dear Mr. Drone just to get an impression:
How do ødegaard and Magnus Carlsen compare in norwegian media coverage. Watching the world championship matches the commentators always gave me the impression that Norway is all about Carlsen in these days. Is that something only happening during the actual matches or is he still present in mass-media?
Little follow-up: you guys are amazing at biathlon (and probably lots of other sports). Do the athletes compare in famousness to somebody like Carlsen and ødegaard?

(sorry for the cultural question in our beloved football thread guys : ) )
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 08:26:17
April 10 2015 08:21 GMT
#13094
On April 10 2015 17:17 smr wrote:
Dear Mr. Drone just to get an impression:
How do ødegaard and Magnus Carlsen compare in norwegian media coverage. Watching the world championship matches the commentators always gave me the impression that Norway is all about Carlsen in these days. Is that something only happening during the actual matches or is he still present in mass-media?
Little follow-up: you guys are amazing at biathlon (and probably lots of other sports). Do the athletes compare in famousness to somebody like Carlsen and ødegaard?

(sorry for the cultural question in our beloved football thread guys : ) )


I dont mind, Id be interested to know aswell actually.

Not so much about Olympic sports, lets be honest as great as sayyy someone like Bjorndalen's achievements are the world doesn't really care. I'd assume hes popular in Norway only when hes being honored or competing and no buzz outside of it.

But the Carlsen question is intriguing he might have the same kind of tabloidish celebrity as Odegaard, maybe.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 10 2015 15:46 GMT
#13095


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 20:05:23
April 10 2015 20:03 GMT
#13096
spoiling cuz pretty big and not really relevant, do feel free to respond though, I just don't want it to be a massive derail. But I mean, we're all buddies here, staying true to the topic is not so sacred that it trumps everything.. And it's likely that most people who are interested in football are at least peripherally interested in other sports as well.

+ Show Spoiler +

We certainly love our skiing, and during what we in Norway refer to as the "winter half" (pretty telling phrase there..), our top biathlon and cross country skiers totally dominate our sport sections, especially during championships. Our country takes a slight collective vacation during Winter Olympics, like, at my work place the bosses decided to postpone a meeting by 1 hour because they all wanted to watch the 4x10km cross country relay race last winter. And our skiing heroes, especially people like Ole Einar Bjørndalen, Bjørn Dæhlie and Marit Bjørgen (in case any of you are noticing a pattern, Bjør is not actually THAT common of a name-ingredient) who are great, win everything and are sympathetic to boot, get a LOT of media attention and get the best sponsorship deals in Norway.

I just found a list from 2014 of the 20 most attractive Norwegian athletes in terms of Norwegian sponsorship money (if I understand it correctly), and it makes sense from a "who do I see the most in advertisements and featured most heavily in media" point of view. Note that 2014 is a Winter Olympics year, so winter sports are slightly inflated, but it's really a landslide victory..

First three are Marit Bjørgen, Petter Northug and Therese Johaug. (top 3 cross country), then there's Aksel Lund Svindal (top Alpine skiing), Ole Einar Bjørndalen (historically by far top biathlon, arguably greatest winter sports athlete ever ), Tora Berger (top female biathlon), Anders Jacobsen, Emil Hegle Svendsen and Tarjei Bø (skijumping, two more biathlon).

Then in 10th there's Edvald Boasson Hagen (cycling), Andreas Thorkildsen (javelin throw. Great guy, he's wayyy more popular than the sport is), Thor Hushovd (cycling), Heidi Løke (handball), and then in 14th we have Magnus Carlsen. After that, another ski jumper, before in 16th place we get Brede Hangeland- the only football player on the list.

Obviously this shows that yeah, our winter sport athletes receive much the same media attention as Carlsen and Ødegaard.

At the same time however, there's a distinct difference. While we love our winter athletes, deep down, mostly all Norwegians are aware of the fact that the main reason why we are so incredibly successful at those sports is that we just care more about them than everyone else. Whenever a Norwegian manages to succeed at something that isn't a Norwegian specialty, they are quickly elevated to genius position. Norwegians consider Carlsen's achievements greater than that of mostly all our winter sport athletes' achievements, yet, because we don't have chess as part of our cultural heritage, he still doesn't necessarily garner the same attention. That being said, much the same 'collective break' feeling happened during Carlsen's first title matches against Anand as during the Winter Olympics. And in 2013, Carlsen also won some prestigious "name of the year" at this yearly athletic award ceremony.

As for Ødegaard, Norwegians do love football. And we've never fostered a talent even nearly as coveted as him. The attention he has gotten has been unique for someone his age, regardless of sport, but it's not necessarily any more intrusive than what our cross country athletes experience. Solskjær got a lot of it during his career also, but there's also a difference in that all our best football players reside outside Norway. The cross country skiers are right here - I actually met Petter Northug in the store like a year ago, and most likely, I've been severely outpaced by other professional skiers while out in the woods myself. Still though, if Ødegaard becomes even half what we hope he will become, then he's gonna be a distant first in terms of most appraised Norwegian athlete - especially if he heftily contributes to us finally reaching a championship again. ;p
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 10 2015 20:17 GMT
#13097
Well, you could just say " if he proves the hype surrounding him, he's gonna be what ibra is for sweden", xP.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28899 Posts
April 10 2015 20:24 GMT
#13098
swedes are successful at way more sports though - and significantly less at winter sports. (hockey exempted. )

Last year though, there was this poll in Sweden about who was sweden's most popular athlete and Charlotte Kalla (cross country skiing) got 37% of the votes, Zlatan 33. But yeah honestly when I think of it, this was just an elaborate way of saying "yeah pretty much" ;p
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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 07:32:01
April 11 2015 07:10 GMT
#13099
Magdalena Neuner was pretty much Germany's most popular female athlete when she was active, so the Norwegians are not alone in their love for Biathlon. At least in the southern parts of Germany people love Biathlon (but not cross-country skiing). In winter it's on German TV a lot, it's probably the most broadcast winter sport.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
April 11 2015 08:39 GMT
#13100
In Serbia tennis is hyped... a lot.

I remember watching Wimbledon when Sharapova won her first title and literally nobody cared when I told them it was big news. You could hear the crickets in the background. Now... after Djokovic/Ivanovic/Jankovic people look at you funny when you say you didn't watch some obscure challenger tournament in India :|
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
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