EPT2014 - 2015 Football Thread - Page 657
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MagickMan
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haitike
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Stratos_speAr
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On April 12 2015 00:41 smr wrote: I love watching Gladbach. I hated it today but over the last years the development is fantastic. I hope van Gaal still wants Hummels and Gündogan. Their performances don't warrant any entitlement. I was extremely happy when Hummels was announced captain but he didn't show anything in that position. And I'm extremely skeptical that Dortmund can get some much needed young talented blood in for next season. If I saw how many chances Langerak, Ginter, Dudziak, Jojic etc get while Hummels, Subotic, Mkhi and Gündogan can do everything wrong and still make the starting 11 next week I'd be extremely cautious. Really sad with the tactical development of my club : / I thought that both Hummels and Gündogan played fine, and I'm not really worried about the tactical development of BVB. The problem is just straight-up quality. We just don't have it. We don't have a single reliable striker, our attacking midfield is a complete disappointment and we have zero depth in the back line. A back line of Schmelzer-Hummels-Sokratis-Piszczek is reliable, but if any one of them get injured, we have nothing. Subotic is a near-complete liability and Ginter just can't be trusted at this point. If Durm is ever healthy, he makes for some quality depth, but he isn't. I do think that Dudziak has some potential and I hope to see more of him; he looked pretty damn good coming on and had a good assist today. If Dudziak can develop and Durm can stay healthy, we need to sell Subotic, bring in some more CB depth (while also maybe selling Ginter, but he may just be young and could still develop), and maybe bring in a little more FB depth to cover for injuries. The defensive midfield is the only solid location. Between Gündogan, Bender, and Sahin, that is locked down pretty tight. The attacking midfield is just atrocious. Kuba is alright on the right, but that also takes up the spot where Aubameyang is actually good. Aubameyang has been really hit-or-miss up front, but whenever he shifts to the right, you can instantly see the quality; his speed is fantastic and he has a great right foot, to the point where pretty much any delivery he gives from the right is top quality. Kagawa has all kind of talent but is a complete headcase; he continuously makes the wrong pass or passes it too many times and never takes the quality shot when he should. Mhki just needs to be sold, as he is a complete drag on the team and offers nothing whatsoever. the jury is still out on Kampl, as he's new and hasn't seen much time at all, but he has yet to impress. Obviously Reus is good, as long as he's healthy. The biggest problem for our attacking impotence is the complete lack of a reliable striker. Aubameyang has been faking the position, but it's obvious that he isn't the guy; he doesn't have the superb finishing or handling capabilities that we need in a striker. His biggest strengths are utilized when he's on the wing. Immobile and Ramos have done absolutely nothing whatsoever and really need to be sold so that we can bring in a new striker or two. All rumors point to Kevin Volland coming over from Hoffenheim in the summer, which I think could be a great fit. I think one of the big things that caused Dortmund to completely fail at their transfers for the past year or so is that all they do is bring in a lot of foreign talent that has a hard time adjusting. Bringing in a German kid who's been playing in the Bundesliga for a while will make that adjustment a lot easier, and probably won't cost too much. Overall, we need to sell a lot of dead weight; Immobile, Ramos, Subotic, Mhki, and a whole host of guys that sit on the bench but don't actually offer us any choices (e.g. Jojic). Trim all that fat, lock down Hummels and Gündogan to make a great trio to build around, push to make it back into the CL next year and then we can rebuild depth. We've gone after a whole lot of foreign potential in the last couple years and it has resulted in almost complete failure; Aubameyang is probably the best transfer we've gotten in the past two seasons and he isn't exactly blowing everyone away. Making EL somehow would obviously make this all a little easier with the additional European games, money, etc. Oddly enough, it still seems possible in the league table, since Augsburg lost (again) and Hoffenheim's victory isn't guaranteed. While I have little faith in our overall quality (even though it is there, sometimes), "any given day" could strike in the Pokal, and we could edge Bayern. More importantly, beating Bayern is pretty much the only important game for the remainder of this year; with Wolfsburg almost certain to beat Bielefeld, then even if we lose in the DFB Pokal final, we'd still get an EL spot since Wolfsburg will get a CL spot. Combine that with the fact that Bayern still have to focus on the CL and I'm still holding onto some hope. | ||
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smr
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I disagree when it comes to Ginter. He was bad in quite a few games but most of that starts with Weidenfeller who for some reason can't stand Ginter and made a few devastating decisions that made Ginter look stupid. I can't blame Gündogan for being cautious after his long injury but whenever I watch that guy tries to avoid every single defensive tackle. That's just not enough on his position. I'd much rather see Kampl play as an 8. He's pretty active, aggressive and has good passing which he can't use enough as a winger. Jojic was bad when he had the chances but there was a reason we fell to 18th place and a lot of players did worse. Didn't help that Klopp used him on 5 different positions in practice games before the season. It was a very good decision by Klopp to make Durm a defender instead of an attacker but he can't do that with every single player. Immobile developed into a specific type of attacker and we try to use him as Lewandowski. Ramos has much lower skills but somewhat the same skillset as Lewandowski but is used as a left winger. Why? I'm not a fan of Volland and a transfer would only make sense if we wanted to play 4-3-3 next season. But I haven't seen enough of him. Where do you see him in our team? Right wing instead of Kuba? #echteliebe counts for the club and his fans. When the players show that they aren't interested in playing there shouldn't be any nostalgic "but we won cups together" thinking by Klopp. At this point I would say that Mourinho watching one week of practice and matches would make a better starting 11 than Klopp just because he isn't emotional when it comes to the players. We need 6-7 points to get out of the relegation battle for this year. If that means building a chelsea like bus WHO CARES? The last 2-3 matches there seemed to be a tiny improvement in coaching but we should expect more than that after failing against the same exact defensive plan for 25 games. | ||
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zeo
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@Stratos Nice writeup, could you elaborate on what you think about Jojic? edit: do you share the same opinion as smr? I thought he was doing ok in the beginning and stopped following him shortly after. | ||
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pretender58
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Volland is not a striker like Lewa, Ramos or Immobile. They need someone who´s strong in the box. The biggest problem is Klopp´s failure to implement a plan that works against defensive teams (e. g. vs. juve, gladbach, Köln). Combined with the atrocious defending that doesn´t bare well for future games if nothing is changed. I don´t forsee them beating bayern in the cup semis. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
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On April 12 2015 01:08 Stratos_speAr wrote: I thought that both Hummels and Gündogan played fine, and I'm not really worried about the tactical development of BVB. The problem is just straight-up quality. We just don't have it. We don't have a single reliable striker, our attacking midfield is a complete disappointment and we have zero depth in the back line. A back line of Schmelzer-Hummels-Sokratis-Piszczek is reliable, but if any one of them get injured, we have nothing. Subotic is a near-complete liability and Ginter just can't be trusted at this point. If Durm is ever healthy, he makes for some quality depth, but he isn't. I do think that Dudziak has some potential and I hope to see more of him; he looked pretty damn good coming on and had a good assist today. If Dudziak can develop and Durm can stay healthy, we need to sell Subotic, bring in some more CB depth (while also maybe selling Ginter, but he may just be young and could still develop), and maybe bring in a little more FB depth to cover for injuries. The defensive midfield is the only solid location. Between Gündogan, Bender, and Sahin, that is locked down pretty tight. The attacking midfield is just atrocious. Kuba is alright on the right, but that also takes up the spot where Aubameyang is actually good. Aubameyang has been really hit-or-miss up front, but whenever he shifts to the right, you can instantly see the quality; his speed is fantastic and he has a great right foot, to the point where pretty much any delivery he gives from the right is top quality. Kagawa has all kind of talent but is a complete headcase; he continuously makes the wrong pass or passes it too many times and never takes the quality shot when he should. Mhki just needs to be sold, as he is a complete drag on the team and offers nothing whatsoever. the jury is still out on Kampl, as he's new and hasn't seen much time at all, but he has yet to impress. Obviously Reus is good, as long as he's healthy. The biggest problem for our attacking impotence is the complete lack of a reliable striker. Aubameyang has been faking the position, but it's obvious that he isn't the guy; he doesn't have the superb finishing or handling capabilities that we need in a striker. His biggest strengths are utilized when he's on the wing. Immobile and Ramos have done absolutely nothing whatsoever and really need to be sold so that we can bring in a new striker or two. All rumors point to Kevin Volland coming over from Hoffenheim in the summer, which I think could be a great fit. I think one of the big things that caused Dortmund to completely fail at their transfers for the past year or so is that all they do is bring in a lot of foreign talent that has a hard time adjusting. Bringing in a German kid who's been playing in the Bundesliga for a while will make that adjustment a lot easier, and probably won't cost too much. Overall, we need to sell a lot of dead weight; Immobile, Ramos, Subotic, Mhki, and a whole host of guys that sit on the bench but don't actually offer us any choices (e.g. Jojic). Trim all that fat, lock down Hummels and Gündogan to make a great trio to build around, push to make it back into the CL next year and then we can rebuild depth. We've gone after a whole lot of foreign potential in the last couple years and it has resulted in almost complete failure; Aubameyang is probably the best transfer we've gotten in the past two seasons and he isn't exactly blowing everyone away. Making EL somehow would obviously make this all a little easier with the additional European games, money, etc. Oddly enough, it still seems possible in the league table, since Augsburg lost (again) and Hoffenheim's victory isn't guaranteed. While I have little faith in our overall quality (even though it is there, sometimes), "any given day" could strike in the Pokal, and we could edge Bayern. More importantly, beating Bayern is pretty much the only important game for the remainder of this year; with Wolfsburg almost certain to beat Bielefeld, then even if we lose in the DFB Pokal final, we'd still get an EL spot since Wolfsburg will get a CL spot. Combine that with the fact that Bayern still have to focus on the CL and I'm still holding onto some hope. I think at this point the hate for Mhikitarian is vastly exaggerated. Yes he is not worth the money but the reason he sucks is because he is used in a position that is not his strenght. He is a 6/8 hybrid who is very good in counter pressure situations and complex transition moments. Thats exacly the skillset he was bought for and i think in the Dortmund team of 09-12 he would have been a great addition. But in a team that doesnt funktion well offensively he is asked to do things he was never good at. Look at Toni Kroos for example he started as a 10 and is moved constantly back in his career for the same reasons. He will most likely leave after this season but i think it could turn out the same way as with Ivan Rakitic. Between 2007 and 2011 he played for Schalke and was supposed to fix their offense. He was considerd a pretty big bust at this time because they asked him to be their playmaker what isnt his thing. He was sold for 9 Million to Sevillia, they figured out how to use him better and now he plays a lot of minutes for Barcelona. Something like this could also happen to Mhikitarian. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On April 12 2015 02:09 Micro_Jackson wrote: I think at this point the hate for Mhikitarian is vastly exaggerated. Yes he is not worth the money but the reason he sucks is because he is used in a position that is not his strenght. He is a 6/8 hybrid who is very good in counter pressure situations and complex transition moments. Thats exacly the skillset he was bought for and i think in the Dortmund team of 09-12 he would have been a great addition. But in a team that doesnt funktion well offensively he is asked to do things he was never good at. Look at Toni Kroos for example he started as a 10 and is moved constantly back in his career for the same reasons. He will most likely leave after this season but i think it could turn out the same way as with Ivan Rakitic. Between 2007 and 2011 he played for Schalke and was supposed to fix their offense. He was considerd a pretty big bust at this time because they asked him to be their playmaker what isnt his thing. He was sold for 9 Million to Sevillia, they figured out how to use him better and now he plays a lot of minutes for Barcelona. Something like this could also happen to Mhikitarian. I'd bet it's going to happen. If Mkhi transfers to a PL team he'll make my fantasy team on every matchday. You covered Dortmund's main problem. We bought players that would work wonders in the team of 09-12. The immobile of today could've been 3 times Bundesliga top scorer in that time when other teams still tried to play against Dortmund. | ||
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lprk
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On April 12 2015 01:45 Skynx wrote: Scrappiest goal ever lol I doubt you've seen this one | ||
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NuclearJudas
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On April 12 2015 02:18 Ferrose wrote: Burnley must have the biggest supply of salt in Europe O_O How's the game been? Missed almost the entire first half. | ||
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Ferrose
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On April 12 2015 02:34 NuclearJudas wrote: How's the game been? Missed almost the entire first half. Really scrappy and physical. Not many chances as it's been really stop and start with about 20 fouls already. Here's the goal. Arsenal have the lead but Burnley have had a couple good chances, including a really good free kick that Ospina had to palm away. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 12 2015 01:25 smr wrote: Starting this year the cup final loser doesn't get an EL spot. Instead the 7th place finisher of the Bundesliga will get that. I disagree when it comes to Ginter. He was bad in quite a few games but most of that starts with Weidenfeller who for some reason can't stand Ginter and made a few devastating decisions that made Ginter look stupid. I can't blame Gündogan for being cautious after his long injury but whenever I watch that guy tries to avoid every single defensive tackle. That's just not enough on his position. I'd much rather see Kampl play as an 8. He's pretty active, aggressive and has good passing which he can't use enough as a winger. Jojic was bad when he had the chances but there was a reason we fell to 18th place and a lot of players did worse. Didn't help that Klopp used him on 5 different positions in practice games before the season. It was a very good decision by Klopp to make Durm a defender instead of an attacker but he can't do that with every single player. Immobile developed into a specific type of attacker and we try to use him as Lewandowski. Ramos has much lower skills but somewhat the same skillset as Lewandowski but is used as a left winger. Why? I'm not a fan of Volland and a transfer would only make sense if we wanted to play 4-3-3 next season. But I haven't seen enough of him. Where do you see him in our team? Right wing instead of Kuba? #echteliebe counts for the club and his fans. When the players show that they aren't interested in playing there shouldn't be any nostalgic "but we won cups together" thinking by Klopp. At this point I would say that Mourinho watching one week of practice and matches would make a better starting 11 than Klopp just because he isn't emotional when it comes to the players. We need 6-7 points to get out of the relegation battle for this year. If that means building a chelsea like bus WHO CARES? The last 2-3 matches there seemed to be a tiny improvement in coaching but we should expect more than that after failing against the same exact defensive plan for 25 games. There have been several games where Gündogan has been one of the best players on the pitch. Yea, he's not back to elite status, but he's clearly been pulling his weight and has definitely been one of the best on the team. Hummels has also recovered from his horrid 2014 form and is still a rock defensively. As for Ginter and Jojic, I'm not all up in arms and thinking they're useless, but I feel like there's a reason he hasn't seen even a single minute of play in forever in a day. He didn't really get enough chances when he did play in the fall, but something must not be going right in training or else Klopp would've given him a chance by now. I do think that they may turn out to be decent investments if given the time, but it's still just "potential", which we've invested a lot into and gotten almost nothing out of. I simply see Volland as a decent replacement for Mhki. By adding that depth, it gives us additional options to create that attacking midfield by mixing and matching positions based on who's in. Mhki is essentially useless at this point and needs to be replaced with someone that can offer something. Alternatively, if we stack up on strikers (sell Immobile and Ramos, buy replacements), we can shift Aubameyang to the right permanently and then Volland would be fairly unnecessary. I heard rumors that BVB are looking at Max Kruse (and I'm sure other teams are as well), and that may be a decent pick up. We'll have to see where that goes. As for Immobile and Ramos, they just haven't shown the quality. They've been given countless opportunities and their deficits clearly aren't merely due to tactical choices by Klopp. Neither of them has shown any kind of strength on the ball, ability to hold the ball, smart positioning or quality finishing skills. They just aren't that great. I really don't see Klopp as being nostalgic or failing the team tactically. On the one hand, it may seem that way since we keep doing the same thing and failing, but what I'm seeing is that the real problem is that the quality simply isn't there. Remember, we've tried a number of tactical options and nothing has solved our defensive incompetence or offensive impotence. The only thing that is going to change this team is 1) overhauling personnel and bringing some new people while dropping dead weight, and 2) having a nice, long off-season to train together. I think at this point the hate for Mhikitarian is vastly exaggerated. Yes he is not worth the money but the reason he sucks is because he is used in a position that is not his strenght. He is a 6/8 hybrid who is very good in counter pressure situations and complex transition moments. Thats exacly the skillset he was bought for and i think in the Dortmund team of 09-12 he would have been a great addition. But in a team that doesnt funktion well offensively he is asked to do things he was never good at. Look at Toni Kroos for example he started as a 10 and is moved constantly back in his career for the same reasons. He will most likely leave after this season but i think it could turn out the same way as with Ivan Rakitic. Between 2007 and 2011 he played for Schalke and was supposed to fix their offense. He was considerd a pretty big bust at this time because they asked him to be their playmaker what isnt his thing. He was sold for 9 Million to Sevillia, they figured out how to use him better and now he plays a lot of minutes for Barcelona. Something like this could also happen to Mhikitarian. Yes, some of these players may have fit into past BVB teams, but how do they fit into current ones? Do you really think there's some magical formation that would fit with the current roster that would make Mhki, Immobile, or Ramos more efficient that Klopp is just missing? The problems definitely have not been purely tactical. Mhki still routinely makes terrible decisions and misses passes that he shouldn't be missing. Mhki may very well go on and find his form again, but the problem is producing here. In order for him to become a quality player again, it isn't just that he needs the right people around him and to be deployed in the right way. He needs to actually make the right choices and execute, neither of which he has been able to do, and it's pretty questionable to blame his terrible choices and failure to shoot on target/pass accurately solely on Klopp's tactics. Of course, through all of this, I 100% agree that Klopp hasn't been the best. This club is incredibly stagnant in terms of tactics. I would've preferred that he benched everyone and sent in the kids for an entire game just to get something different going and to maybe send a message a long time ago. However, there's no way that tactics are the primary problem, and there's no way you're replacing Klopp with anyone better. It'd be absolutely insane to let him go. | ||
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On April 12 2015 02:20 lprk wrote: I doubt you've seen this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYRjij_6I8 hahah I watched that live, thank you for bringing that up  | ||
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