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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 11 2015 18:39 GMT
#13141
What a game!
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
April 11 2015 18:41 GMT
#13142
This is a really good game, Barca vs. Sevilla
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
April 11 2015 19:17 GMT
#13143
On April 12 2015 03:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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On April 12 2015 01:25 smr wrote:
Starting this year the cup final loser doesn't get an EL spot. Instead the 7th place finisher of the Bundesliga will get that.

I disagree when it comes to Ginter. He was bad in quite a few games but most of that starts with Weidenfeller who for some reason can't stand Ginter and made a few devastating decisions that made Ginter look stupid.

I can't blame Gündogan for being cautious after his long injury but whenever I watch that guy tries to avoid every single defensive tackle. That's just not enough on his position. I'd much rather see Kampl play as an 8. He's pretty active, aggressive and has good passing which he can't use enough as a winger.

Jojic was bad when he had the chances but there was a reason we fell to 18th place and a lot of players did worse. Didn't help that Klopp used him on 5 different positions in practice games before the season. It was a very good decision by Klopp to make Durm a defender instead of an attacker but he can't do that with every single player. Immobile developed into a specific type of attacker and we try to use him as Lewandowski. Ramos has much lower skills but somewhat the same skillset as Lewandowski but is used as a left winger. Why?

I'm not a fan of Volland and a transfer would only make sense if we wanted to play 4-3-3 next season. But I haven't seen enough of him. Where do you see him in our team? Right wing instead of Kuba?

#echteliebe counts for the club and his fans. When the players show that they aren't interested in playing there shouldn't be any nostalgic "but we won cups together" thinking by Klopp. At this point I would say that Mourinho watching one week of practice and matches would make a better starting 11 than Klopp just because he isn't emotional when it comes to the players. We need 6-7 points to get out of the relegation battle for this year. If that means building a chelsea like bus WHO CARES? The last 2-3 matches there seemed to be a tiny improvement in coaching but we should expect more than that after failing against the same exact defensive plan for 25 games.


There have been several games where Gündogan has been one of the best players on the pitch. Yea, he's not back to elite status, but he's clearly been pulling his weight and has definitely been one of the best on the team. Hummels has also recovered from his horrid 2014 form and is still a rock defensively.

As for Ginter and Jojic, I'm not all up in arms and thinking they're useless, but I feel like there's a reason he hasn't seen even a single minute of play in forever in a day. He didn't really get enough chances when he did play in the fall, but something must not be going right in training or else Klopp would've given him a chance by now. I do think that they may turn out to be decent investments if given the time, but it's still just "potential", which we've invested a lot into and gotten almost nothing out of.

I simply see Volland as a decent replacement for Mhki. By adding that depth, it gives us additional options to create that attacking midfield by mixing and matching positions based on who's in. Mhki is essentially useless at this point and needs to be replaced with someone that can offer something. Alternatively, if we stack up on strikers (sell Immobile and Ramos, buy replacements), we can shift Aubameyang to the right permanently and then Volland would be fairly unnecessary. I heard rumors that BVB are looking at Max Kruse (and I'm sure other teams are as well), and that may be a decent pick up. We'll have to see where that goes.

As for Immobile and Ramos, they just haven't shown the quality. They've been given countless opportunities and their deficits clearly aren't merely due to tactical choices by Klopp. Neither of them has shown any kind of strength on the ball, ability to hold the ball, smart positioning or quality finishing skills. They just aren't that great.

I really don't see Klopp as being nostalgic or failing the team tactically. On the one hand, it may seem that way since we keep doing the same thing and failing, but what I'm seeing is that the real problem is that the quality simply isn't there. Remember, we've tried a number of tactical options and nothing has solved our defensive incompetence or offensive impotence. The only thing that is going to change this team is 1) overhauling personnel and bringing some new people while dropping dead weight, and 2) having a nice, long off-season to train together.

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I think at this point the hate for Mhikitarian is vastly exaggerated. Yes he is not worth the money but the reason he sucks is because he is used in a position that is not his strenght. He is a 6/8 hybrid who is very good in counter pressure situations and complex transition moments. Thats exacly the skillset he was bought for and i think in the Dortmund team of 09-12 he would have been a great addition. But in a team that doesnt funktion well offensively he is asked to do things he was never good at.
Look at Toni Kroos for example he started as a 10 and is moved constantly back in his career for the same reasons.

He will most likely leave after this season but i think it could turn out the same way as with Ivan Rakitic. Between 2007 and 2011 he played for Schalke and was supposed to fix their offense. He was considerd a pretty big bust at this time because they asked him to be their playmaker what isnt his thing. He was sold for 9 Million to Sevillia, they figured out how to use him better and now he plays a lot of minutes for Barcelona. Something like this could also happen to Mhikitarian.


Yes, some of these players may have fit into past BVB teams, but how do they fit into current ones? Do you really think there's some magical formation that would fit with the current roster that would make Mhki, Immobile, or Ramos more efficient that Klopp is just missing? The problems definitely have not been purely tactical. Mhki still routinely makes terrible decisions and misses passes that he shouldn't be missing.

Mhki may very well go on and find his form again, but the problem is producing here. In order for him to become a quality player again, it isn't just that he needs the right people around him and to be deployed in the right way. He needs to actually make the right choices and execute, neither of which he has been able to do, and it's pretty questionable to blame his terrible choices and failure to shoot on target/pass accurately solely on Klopp's tactics.


I think Klopp didnt fail as a tactiction but as a "calm downer". There is a great writeup from a german tactics blog that sums Dortmunds problem up with "Wir wollen euch spielen sehen" (we want to see you play)+ Show Spoiler +
in german stadiums a often used shout when you team sucks is "wir wollen euch kämpfen sehen", so you arent good but at least we want you to fight
. This Dortmund team just seems to panic at any situation they arent comfortable with and this hurts players like Mhikitarian or Immobile the most because to be effective they need to be set up in a specific way that never happens because they cant pass 3 times without someone panicing. Look at Hummels, this guy is most likely the best defender on the planet when he has the ball but all he does this season is playing long, low percentage balls.

The second problem is there is no rotation at all in this Dortmund squad. I think one of the reasons Reus is often injured is that he has to play everytime hes has more then half a leg ready.
What hurts the most isnt Mhiki or Ramos or Immobile it is the bottom half of the depth chart. Jojic? Never made the roster consistantly. Grosskreuz? Can anyone remember a good game of him in the past 2 years? I cant. Blaszczykowski is a shadow of himself (also due to injuries). And has anyone figured out what happend to Kagawa in Manchester? He must be abducted by aliens and this guy is a replacement to prepare an invasion or something like that because this is not player that left Dortmund.

Are Immobile, Ramos, Mhikitarian (and Kampl, new and very young so i dont blame him on anything) busts? Yea maybe but this far no other player has won their roster spot so how bad must they be?
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 11 2015 19:18 GMT
#13144
Ref being kinda shitty on the fouls this second half >.>
Revolutionist fan
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 11 2015 19:39 GMT
#13145
What a mistake by pique.
2-2 with 7mins to go.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Serpest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States603 Posts
April 11 2015 19:41 GMT
#13146
Gameiro! Game on.
A person that attempts to diagnose themselves has a fool for a doctor and a bigger fool for a patient.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
April 11 2015 19:49 GMT
#13147
Before that last bit I was gonna say Pique/Mathieu pairing has been incredible recently.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2743 Posts
April 11 2015 19:49 GMT
#13148
And Sevilla continue 14 months without loose in their stadium.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
April 11 2015 19:50 GMT
#13149
Oh, now Barca leads with just 1.5 points... And their next match is against Valencia. Pressure !
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 11 2015 19:50 GMT
#13150
Welp, 2 mistakes, 1 from bravo and 1 from pique and barca will lose the title now with 1 more mistake.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
April 11 2015 19:58 GMT
#13151
On April 12 2015 04:50 Steveling wrote:
Welp, 2 mistakes, 1 from bravo and 1 from pique and barca will lose the title now with 1 more mistake.


You definitely can't count all of Real Madrid's games as wins in the bag, they have to go to Sevilla too, and go to Celta right after the tough Atletico CL games, where Barca barely won.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
WillyWanker
Profile Joined December 2011
France1915 Posts
April 11 2015 20:01 GMT
#13152
On April 12 2015 04:50 Steveling wrote:
Welp, 2 mistakes, 1 from bravo and 1 from pique and barca will lose the title now with 1 more mistake.

Suarez could have sealed the game 2-3 times... He seemed like he had gotten his confidence back and then That's not good just before Paris.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-11 20:32:34
April 11 2015 20:30 GMT
#13153
On April 12 2015 01:05 haitike wrote:
First freekick goal of CR in la liga in 13 months. I dont understand how he continues taking freekicks instead of Bale.

Bale wasnt on the pitch, last freekick i saw Real have Bale took it ^_^ (when both Bale and Ronaldo on pitch)
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
April 12 2015 04:18 GMT
#13154
http://www.gfycat.com/HeartyIncompatibleBlackwidowspider

Messi ain't got shit on Poland.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
April 12 2015 05:24 GMT
#13155
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 08:57:12
April 12 2015 08:56 GMT
#13156
On April 12 2015 04:58 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 04:50 Steveling wrote:
Welp, 2 mistakes, 1 from bravo and 1 from pique and barca will lose the title now with 1 more mistake.


You definitely can't count all of Real Madrid's games as wins in the bag, they have to go to Sevilla too, and go to Celta right after the tough Atletico CL games, where Barca barely won.


Sevilla might be hard but there are plenty of points for Barca to lose and not many for Real. Really shouldve won that game though. But it happens I guess.

I think the league is 50-50 at best and I have a nervy feeling real will Pip them quite comfortably.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
April 12 2015 09:05 GMT
#13157
On April 12 2015 05:30 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 01:05 haitike wrote:
First freekick goal of CR in la liga in 13 months. I dont understand how he continues taking freekicks instead of Bale.

Bale wasnt on the pitch, last freekick i saw Real have Bale took it ^_^ (when both Bale and Ronaldo on pitch)

When the spot is better for left footed player Bale takes the free kicks and Cristiano takes the rest. It's quite annoying to be honnest. Every time Cristiano takes a free kick, he does one of three things : sends it in row Z, hits the wall or hits straight into the keeper (same as the goal vs Eibar). And it's not like Real doesn't have other good free kick takers.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 09:47:25
April 12 2015 09:47 GMT
#13158
Yeah I reckon James Rodriguez and/or Modric can hit a ball pretty good as well. Or Ramos for that matter.
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2743 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 10:00:11
April 12 2015 09:59 GMT
#13159
On April 12 2015 17:56 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 04:58 ZapRoffo wrote:
On April 12 2015 04:50 Steveling wrote:
Welp, 2 mistakes, 1 from bravo and 1 from pique and barca will lose the title now with 1 more mistake.


You definitely can't count all of Real Madrid's games as wins in the bag, they have to go to Sevilla too, and go to Celta right after the tough Atletico CL games, where Barca barely won.


Sevilla might be hard but there are plenty of points for Barca to lose and not many for Real. Really shouldve won that game though. But it happens I guess.

I think the league is 50-50 at best and I have a nervy feeling real will Pip them quite comfortably.


Both teams have to face Valencia too, that is quite strong this year. But Barcelona has Atletico de Madrid and Espanyol too ( Espanyol is always dangereous against Barcelona, because it is the catalonia "derby" and Espanyol always play against barça their best match of the year xDD)
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
April 12 2015 09:59 GMT
#13160
Maradona showing you can still dive at his age and weight

Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
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