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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
April 08 2015 15:34 GMT
#13061
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Villa, Hull and Stoke not having homegrown youngsters is pretty surprising for me.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 08 2015 15:43 GMT
#13062
Why 23 and under out of question :s
Seems a random figure to splurge some data. John Terry Gary Cahill push Chelsea up to 30+, City go up to 20+ as well with Milner and Hart .
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 08 2015 15:46 GMT
#13063
On April 09 2015 00:43 Pandemona wrote:
Why 23 and under out of question :s
Seems a random figure to splurge some data. John Terry Gary Cahill push Chelsea up to 30+, City go up to 20+ as well with Milner and Hart .

What would this thread be without random stats
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
April 08 2015 15:49 GMT
#13064
23 is cutoff for PFA Young Player of the Year
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 16:02:45
April 08 2015 16:00 GMT
#13065
On April 09 2015 00:43 Pandemona wrote:
Why 23 and under out of question :s
Seems a random figure to splurge some data. John Terry Gary Cahill push Chelsea up to 30+, City go up to 20+ as well with Milner and Hart .


Gathering that kind of data isnt exactly a "splurge" its pretty easy to do for those who deal with it.

And I think its pretty relevant.

It ratifies that PL money means fewer domestic players. Its common knowledge and intuitive sure but numbers make it somewhat indisputable.

Especially if you were to compare it to other leagues.

also The fact that John Terry and Cahill push them that far up begs the question. What do you do without them. Ivanovic is no spring chicken either.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
April 08 2015 16:09 GMT
#13066
On April 09 2015 01:00 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 00:43 Pandemona wrote:
Why 23 and under out of question :s
Seems a random figure to splurge some data. John Terry Gary Cahill push Chelsea up to 30+, City go up to 20+ as well with Milner and Hart .


Gathering that kind of data isnt exactly a "splurge" its pretty easy to do for those who deal with it.

And I think its pretty relevant.

It ratifies that PL money means fewer domestic players. Its common knowledge and intuitive sure but numbers make it somewhat indisputable.

Especially if you were to compare it to other leagues.

also The fact that John Terry and Cahill push them that far up begs the question. What do you do without them. Ivanovic is no spring chicken either.

It's more relevant to smalller teams, club like Chelsea would rather send their 21yo talent on loan to mid table team to play regular football rather than play him few times 20min and maybe full FA game or two.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 08 2015 18:58 GMT
#13067
Yeah but the stats of "played games" when they dont count every player is just silly. Saying how many English in the designated 23 man squad is a better graph in which of course Chelsea probably last still.

Oh well :D
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:00:35
April 08 2015 19:54 GMT
#13068
On April 09 2015 03:58 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah but the stats of "played games" when they dont count every player is just silly. Saying how many English in the designated 23 man squad is a better graph in which of course Chelsea probably last still.

Oh well :D


Well its certainly not silly. It still shows how much investment is being made in providing young talent PL experience after farming them out as far as bigger clubs are concerned.

And its telling, as I said earlier, that with money available and more importantly the money thats at stake even smaller PL teams would much rather buy talent.

And far as Chelsea is concerned and where they would fall. I dont think anyone really cares about any team specifically when they look at that. Its more descriptive of a trend more than anything else. No one is going to micro analyse teams off of this so dont worry about it.

Additionally it can be deceptive because for example when a couple of your star/core players are English it will inflate your numbers significantly. Harry Kane for example. Its not unique players that get starts that its counting after all.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 08 2015 20:19 GMT
#13069
Or does it point out that there is very FEW world class English players hell even above average English players in the world game now.

Rooney
and who are actually good enough to walk into international teams in the world? Or domestic teams who else could walk into a team from England national team, no one. Its hard to invest in a 30million Luke Shaw player when he is not very good TT.

Thats what i get from it, the best English CB doesn't even play for England no more, the best midfielder we have has only just got back into the team in Carrick and our best attacking talent is Kane/Sterling/Barkley dont even get played properly in national team or club teams. Not much chance we have until we start fixing stuff.

However the counter argument is that if said clubs in premier league played these players more they might turn into Kane but meh. You wanna risk that kind of money when you can go raid Spain or Germany for players that have played that 1 season to show they can do it?
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
April 08 2015 20:37 GMT
#13070
German cup quarter final Leverkusen vs Bayern is plagued by one of the worst ref-performances possible. Disallowed a Bayern goal for nothing. Every small contact is called a foul and some brutal kicks aren't punished.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:38:32
April 08 2015 20:37 GMT
#13071
On April 09 2015 05:19 Pandemona wrote:
Or does it point out that there is very FEW world class English players hell even above average English players in the world game now.

Rooney
and who are actually good enough to walk into international teams in the world? Or domestic teams who else could walk into a team from England national team, no one. Its hard to invest in a 30million Luke Shaw player when he is not very good TT.

Thats what i get from it, the best English CB doesn't even play for England no more, the best midfielder we have has only just got back into the team in Carrick and our best attacking talent is Kane/Sterling/Barkley dont even get played properly in national team or club teams. Not much chance we have until we start fixing stuff.

However the counter argument is that if said clubs in premier league played these players more they might turn into Kane but meh. You wanna risk that kind of money when you can go raid Spain or Germany for players that have played that 1 season to show they can do it?


Actually since its under 23 it doesnt really point much to how many world class english players there areoverall. Just that there arent very many if any under 23. But there arent very many world class players under 23 in the world period so that an unfair extrapolation.

As for the rest of your comments its pretty much making the same point I was.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 08 2015 20:38 GMT
#13072
On April 09 2015 05:37 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 05:19 Pandemona wrote:
Or does it point out that there is very FEW world class English players hell even above average English players in the world game now.

Rooney
and who are actually good enough to walk into international teams in the world? Or domestic teams who else could walk into a team from England national team, no one. Its hard to invest in a 30million Luke Shaw player when he is not very good TT.

Thats what i get from it, the best English CB doesn't even play for England no more, the best midfielder we have has only just got back into the team in Carrick and our best attacking talent is Kane/Sterling/Barkley dont even get played properly in national team or club teams. Not much chance we have until we start fixing stuff.

However the counter argument is that if said clubs in premier league played these players more they might turn into Kane but meh. You wanna risk that kind of money when you can go raid Spain or Germany for players that have played that 1 season to show they can do it?


Actually since its under 23 it doesnt really point much to how many world class english players there areoverall. Just that there arent very many if any under 23. But there arent very many world class players under 23 in the world period so that an unfair extrapolation.

As for the rest of your comments its pretty much making the same point I was.

Yeah indeed. The point about shit English players doesn't count due to the age size indeed.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 08 2015 20:46 GMT
#13073
Ibra <3
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
April 08 2015 21:12 GMT
#13074
On April 09 2015 05:46 Boucot wrote:
Ibra <3


totally deserves http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/4160/extra-time/2015/04/08/10574332/i-am-google-zlatan-ibrahimovic-gets-his-own-search-engine
:D
Imagine a place where the Alps meet the Mediterranean, where you can pick autumn fruits in the morning, bathe in the Adriatic in the afternoon, and go night skiing in the evening…It’s Slovenia!
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
April 08 2015 21:18 GMT
#13075
That Is not a penalty. Spanish referees, best referees !
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 08 2015 21:30 GMT
#13076
Wtf how is that not a penalty, he commits himself and gets 0 of the ball and Ronaldo was in control of it. Jeez xD
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 08 2015 21:33 GMT
#13077
Boy who cried wolf, xD.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 08 2015 22:18 GMT
#13078
That was a pretty miserable miss yeah. Doesnt matter though they won easily..
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 08 2015 22:19 GMT
#13079
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 05:58:23
April 09 2015 05:58 GMT
#13080
Meantime, America turns a 3-0 first leg loss with a 6-0 home win. 5 goals in first 32 minutes, 4 by the same guy, Dario Benedetto.


Montreal Impact vs. Club America for CONCACAF Champions League final.
Montreal's run has been crazy (they were dead last in MLS last season, and are in 19th this season) but now they get the Mexican powerhouse in the final. If they won this it would be ridiculous.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
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