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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 17:08:04
June 26 2014 17:06 GMT
#101
On June 26 2014 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I would wager I am in the top 5 of minutes used watching basketball on TL. I understand Asik's value, but he is a big man with a valuable skill so he will for sure have to be overpaid to be kept. Period. You don't get good value deals on big men when free agency hits and everyone knows they're a good starter level player unless it's a player who can only get the max and is worth more than the max.


Your argument is contradictory. Either his skill is valuable and therefore worth paying a lot, or you believe his skill is not as valuable as others perceive it, and and therefore he's overpaid. You can't say you believe in his value and at the same time believe he'll be paid too much for that value.

He will not turn the Pelican's defense into a top 10 defense, or atleast we shouldn't assume he would. You have to realize the Pelican's defense is not just a lack of defensive talent and rim protection, but that Monty employs an aggressive ball pressure and fast switching system. Asik doesn't benefit for this, mostly because while he's a good rotating defender, he can't make up for the guards getting blown by when they cheat on steals or close out on open 3 point shooters when the team starts going for ill advised doubles. This is what causes Davis so many problems, despite everyone acknowledging he has the makings of a generational defensive player -- Davis can't do crap about open shooters and guys waltzing into the lane, no matter how great a defender he is.

What will fix the pelicans defense is surer feet on the aggressive traps and presses and more cognizant closing out on swing passes to jump shooters -- as well as rim protection when the aggressive play leads to open drivers. Asik could very well provide an important defensive piece to the puzzle that is the Pelican's horrible performance, but he can't solve the problems that I know are still there.

I could literally write an individual essay for each important pelicans players' defense and the system. Asik should certainly help, but top 10 defense? That is lofty expectations.


I just looked and and saw how bad your defense was. Good lord, 27th. I didn't realize it was that bad.

I'll rephrase my statement. I believe the Pelicans will be a top-10 defense when Asik is on the court. Or if you want to use general defensive rankings, I believe the Pelicans will overall raise their ranking by at least 10 spots. Meaning they'll be at least 17th or better. Assuming at least decent luck in health for the team. As in Asik/Davis both play 50+ games.
Meh
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 26 2014 23:31 GMT
#102
Here we go! Here's to an exciting draft!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia12958 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 23:37:03
June 26 2014 23:36 GMT
#103
I had a dream the Cavs took mcbuckets first.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
June 26 2014 23:42 GMT
#104
Wiggins is not the best player in this draft and I expect very little from him.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2014 23:42 GMT
#105
That suit is proof Wiggens isn't a good decision maker.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 26 2014 23:43 GMT
#106
On June 27 2014 02:06 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I would wager I am in the top 5 of minutes used watching basketball on TL. I understand Asik's value, but he is a big man with a valuable skill so he will for sure have to be overpaid to be kept. Period. You don't get good value deals on big men when free agency hits and everyone knows they're a good starter level player unless it's a player who can only get the max and is worth more than the max.


Your argument is contradictory. Either his skill is valuable and therefore worth paying a lot, or you believe his skill is not as valuable as others perceive it, and and therefore he's overpaid. You can't say you believe in his value and at the same time believe he'll be paid too much for that value.



Not necessarily. You can have someone with a valuable skill that's being overpaid. The problem we continually run into in the NBA is pursuing the marginal advantage. Whoever is perceived as the best at that position/role is going to be overpaid. The people who are underpaid are the ones deemed replaceable or interchangeable.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 26 2014 23:43 GMT
#107
Looks like Parker gets his wish.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
June 26 2014 23:45 GMT
#108
Suits ugly but it fits so well I can't even hate.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 23:48:27
June 26 2014 23:47 GMT
#109
The way Wiggins and his mother talk it sounds like a bit of a Jamaican accent. Anyone have info on that?

EDIT: Google has informed me that his mother is from Barbados.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
June 26 2014 23:47 GMT
#110
Hopefully Philly goes block party with an Embiid pick.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
June 26 2014 23:48 GMT
#111
Two predictable picks, now what will Hinkie do!
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 26 2014 23:48 GMT
#112
His mother is from Barbados but left at a young age.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2014 23:54 GMT
#113
Embiid looks pissed to be picked by Philly.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
June 26 2014 23:55 GMT
#114
Block party! Hopefully they keep Embiid/Noel long enough so we can actually see it in action.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
June 26 2014 23:56 GMT
#115
On June 27 2014 08:54 On_Slaught wrote:
Embiid looks pissed to be picked by Philly.

Looked more like confusion to me. His draft stock dropped pretty low after getting injured.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 23:56:52
June 26 2014 23:56 GMT
#116
BLOCK PARTY!!!

Bilas with the wingspan drop into "enjoy your favorite beverage, you'll be needing one later." LOL
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
June 27 2014 00:00 GMT
#117
That might be a surprise. ORL picked Aaron Gordon instead of a PG (Exum).
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 27 2014 00:00 GMT
#118
Does anyone in this class really have the chance to be a great player besides Embiid, though?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-27 00:02:09
June 27 2014 00:01 GMT
#119
I really like Gordon. Great defender who can cover the 1-4 positions. Great rebounder as well. Just needs to work on his jump shooting/FTs.

On June 27 2014 09:00 Jerubaal wrote:
Does anyone in this class really have the chance to be a great player besides Embiid, though?


Probably not. But nobody has a real chance to be as big of a flop either.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 27 2014 00:01 GMT
#120
The Celtics are gonna take Vonleh and Simmons is going to lose it.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
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