EPTHe's about to get payed big time but I wouldn't be comfortable putting my name on that deal.
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Ru ba
Serbia1812 Posts
He's about to get payed big time but I wouldn't be comfortable putting my name on that deal. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 03 2014 04:41 Ace wrote: Coach Nick is a Spurs homer and gets on WB a lot. Still makes a lot of good videos though. Yeah, although KD gets a good chunk of the criticism too (and Brooks, obviously.) And yes, Love is a max player. He might be an average defender, but he's an elite offensive player. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
Here's an incomplete list of some of the other max players to consider in case you're curious: ISO Joe, CP3, Deron, Blake, Durant, Rose, D12, Gay, Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Kobe, Wall. I think the only players clearly better than Love are CP3 and Durant, with not unreasonable arguments for D12, Rose (when healthy, which is when he got the contract), Harden, Blake and Melo. I think he's clearly better than ISO Joe, Gay, and Wall. Kobe is an outlier and shouldn't be considered because his contract was based on more than just his on-court production. As much of a Clippers fan as I am, I don't think Blake is definitely better than Love, even with this breakout year. Rose has the postseason success from his healthy days to point to, but his supporting cast and coaching have been significantly better than Love's. D12 has the stronger argument due to his elite defense to go with ugly-but-effective offense and postseason success, and he hasn't had a great supporting cast even if he had superior coaching at his peak (SVG). Harden is basically the SG-version of Love with defensive problems, replacing rebounding with assists. Melo has a better resume and did very well last season with a weak roster and questionable coaching, but it was in a crap conference. At the least, Love is in the conversation with each of these named, which justifies his inclusion as a max player. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On June 02 2014 18:15 DystopiaX wrote: The image is dumb because it's making fun of/blaming Durant for the Thunder not winning anything yet compared to the Spurs or Lebron but the situations aren't the same at all. I think the LeBron/KD scenarios are actually pretty close(there's underlying details that change, but 'career trajectory' matches pretty well): Both made early finals appearances where they had totally excusable losses to clearly superior teams, and largely received no blame. Both follow their finals appearances with disappointing early exits, not even making the finals in the following years. That's current KD. When LeBron was at that same point, people were making the same images/memes about him. The picture is really about LeBron vs KD, the Spurs are just there because they are the finals opponent(again), have rings, and just beat KD. I do think there's a funny irony in the fact that all these people(in the media) who are talking about KD getting treated with kid gloves, only talk about/criticize the media for treating him with kid gloves, without actually laying on any criticism themselves(literally as I type this Bomani Jones is doing exactly that on LeBetard's show, saying the media treats him nice and gives him a pass, the media does this, does that, but never actually says anything about KD). | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 03 2014 06:32 MassHysteria wrote: A little late but Love definitely equals max player. Just not a #1 on a championship team in my opinion. Maybe #2. Definitely could be #3 though. It's just a problem with the max contact in general, because it means so many players of differing skill levels are played the same. So love at max is a deal compared to melo or Joe j., but it's a ripoff compared to lbj, or Durant. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 03 2014 07:42 cLutZ wrote: It's just a problem with the max contact in general, because it means so many players of differing skill levels are played the same. So love at max is a deal compared to melo or Joe j., but it's a ripoff compared to lbj, or Durant. To be fair, a max contract is a ripoff when applied to players at Lebron or Durant levels. Players at that level are much more valuable than the maximum amounts their teams are allowed to pay them under the CBA, so their contract amounts are being artificially held down by the CBA. It's more true that Love is actually worth the max allowed under the CBA and Lebron and Durant are worth significantly more than that, as opposed to Love being worth less than the max allowed. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
I think that taking away the max contract would lead to some really crazy situations and more money would be spent for worse basketball. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On June 03 2014 09:23 Doraemon wrote: hibbert second team all-d really? i honestly thought dwight should be there, no homer. but it's hilarious to see someone voted harden ahaha Lol, that guy should have his vote taken away. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 03 2014 07:54 XaI)CyRiC wrote: To be fair, a max contract is a ripoff when applied to players at Lebron or Durant levels. Players at that level are much more valuable than the maximum amounts their teams are allowed to pay them under the CBA, so their contract amounts are being artificially held down by the CBA. It's more true that Love is actually worth the max allowed under the CBA and Lebron and Durant are worth significantly more than that, as opposed to Love being worth less than the max allowed. Well yes, that is the issue. The max salary + salary cap is what makes it so risky to pay a guy like Kevin Love or Joe Johnson what they are "objectively worth", which is the max. Then you don't get any surplus value out of the contract, which sucks, because it means having stars is a risk, particularly at that age because you almost certainly will be paying love more than what he is worth 4, 5 years from now. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 03 2014 09:23 Doraemon wrote: hibbert second team all-d really? i honestly thought dwight should be there, no homer. but it's hilarious to see someone voted harden ahaha It's a regular season award and Hibbert was the defensive centerpiece of the best defensive team in the league. He slumped offensively towards the end of the season and the playoffs but that has nothing to do with the award. You can make an argument for Dwight but Hibbert/Noah as your selections aren't unreasonable either. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13480 Posts
But he has his flaws. You need to pair him with a strong defensive C for example. But on offence he's the complete package (could work on passing a bit, which he did this year). He can't carry a team like LeBron can but he's def worth max. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13480 Posts
He's a neutral on that side of the ball and maybe a slight negative. But he's a top 10 when it comes to offence so you build your D around hiding his weaknesses and cash in offensively. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13480 Posts
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