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On June 05 2014 10:33 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 10:28 VanSCPurge wrote:. I feel he's going to struggle with consistency in the near future, I agree. He's shown (as I mentioned before) that if you take away his top receiver or two he's not nearly as reliable outside of his ability to run. Giving him 110 or 126 million dollars just seems like a huge roll of the dice on a guy that, in my opinion, hasn't proven much except that he can run the ball and lean on an excellent defense. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him struggle with consistency, and for the Niners to be kicking themselves for at least a couple of those 6 seasons. The reality is that someone was going to pay Kaepernick if the Niners didn't. I sure as shit don't want Blaine Gabbert as my QB. Besides, I think Kaepernick is fairly close to being good enough now to warrant that kind of pay day given what franchise QBs are paid. He's being paid in the same ballpark as guys like Romo, Cutler, and Ryan. You can't really say that he doesn't belong in the conversation with those guys.
Rodgers's contract.
Somewhat tangential, but Rodgers will still be making a bit more than Kaepernick (likely) will be making when their deals both expire in 2020, which feels right.
Romo's is even likely going to be a bit more, which further bolsters your point.
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On June 05 2014 12:41 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 10:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 05 2014 10:28 VanSCPurge wrote:. I feel he's going to struggle with consistency in the near future, I agree. He's shown (as I mentioned before) that if you take away his top receiver or two he's not nearly as reliable outside of his ability to run. Giving him 110 or 126 million dollars just seems like a huge roll of the dice on a guy that, in my opinion, hasn't proven much except that he can run the ball and lean on an excellent defense. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him struggle with consistency, and for the Niners to be kicking themselves for at least a couple of those 6 seasons. The reality is that someone was going to pay Kaepernick if the Niners didn't. I sure as shit don't want Blaine Gabbert as my QB. Besides, I think Kaepernick is fairly close to being good enough now to warrant that kind of pay day given what franchise QBs are paid. He's being paid in the same ballpark as guys like Romo, Cutler, and Ryan. You can't really say that he doesn't belong in the conversation with those guys. Rodgers's contract.Somewhat tangential, but Rodgers will still be making a bit more than Kaepernick (likely) will be making when their deals both expire in 2020, which feels right. Romo's is even likely going to be a bit more, which further bolsters your point.
With regards to comparing Kaepernick's contract to Rodgers', one thing to keep in mind is that there's a bit of a ceiling on what a QB can be paid due to the salary cap. Combine the cap with the fact that QB is the most valuable position on the field, and then sprinkle in the relative scarcity of good QBs, and you wind up with a situation where "very good" QBs and "elite" QBs earn about the same amount of money. So yeah, Rodgers should make a helluva lot more than Kaep, but it just isn't going to happen.
I think that this contract for Kaepernick will be ok in the long run. The salary cap is going to continue to go up, which means that QBs will continue to land ever-larger contracts. I also don't see Kaepernick regressing to the point where he's not worth the money. He should be very good for a long time, even if he doesn't become a true top-3 QB in the league.
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CK does not deserve more money than Rodgers/Brees etc. He should have been floated in the Cutler range or something.
Funnily enough, I wonder how Wilson will approach his contract renewal with the Seahawks.
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On June 05 2014 12:03 VanSCPurge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 10:33 xDaunt wrote:On June 05 2014 10:28 VanSCPurge wrote:. I feel he's going to struggle with consistency in the near future, I agree. He's shown (as I mentioned before) that if you take away his top receiver or two he's not nearly as reliable outside of his ability to run. Giving him 110 or 126 million dollars just seems like a huge roll of the dice on a guy that, in my opinion, hasn't proven much except that he can run the ball and lean on an excellent defense. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him struggle with consistency, and for the Niners to be kicking themselves for at least a couple of those 6 seasons. The reality is that someone was going to pay Kaepernick if the Niners didn't. I sure as shit don't want Blaine Gabbert as my QB. Besides, I think Kaepernick is fairly close to being good enough now to warrant that kind of pay day given what franchise QBs are paid. He's being paid in the same ballpark as guys like Romo, Cutler, and Ryan. You can't really say that he doesn't belong in the conversation with those guys. To be honest, I would put him behind Romo but ahead of Cutler and Ryan. For as much flak as he gets, Romo has some pretty impressive stats, even late in the season when he seems to catch the most heat. Cutler and Ryan both seem to find ways to lose, despite having very very good teams. (Not just talented. Looking at you, Romo!) That being said, most of those guys are overpaid for what they have done/shown. I don't agree with the idea of paying a guy more than/just as much as a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, just because you think he "could" be great. A lot of guys "could" be something. They don't get 20 million a year for it. Kaepernick is an OK QB. He's very athletic and a good runner, but not much of a pocket passer. He has the help of a fantastic defense, and decent O-Line. He is NOT an elite QB, and if it was me sitting in the Niner's chair, I wouldn't have taken the risk of paying him like one. I do agree with not wanting Gabbert as the starter though. Unless you want 6-10, 8-8 back.
O-line doesn't do anything for kaep imo, he doesn't work it well enough. His dropbacks are too far and he doesn't climb the ladder back into the pocket when side rushes get to him because he's too far back for the tackle to shuffle the guy around him. Instead he rolls out. The niners can de-invest in their o-line going for quality power blockers, which they already have but they don't have to pay for good pass blocking they only need to find elite run blocking.
Wilson may very well be the same way but it's hard to tell with the way seahawks offense is designed around his scramble ability.
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You guys are making the mistake of only looking at contracts at face value. The analysis I hear is that Kaep's contract is year to year. Only $13 million is guaranteed when Kaep signed. Most of the $61 million is only guaranteed if he's injured. Every April 1, if the 49ers choose to keep Kaep, the guarantee for that year turns from injury guaranteed to fully guaranteed. So every year in the contract, if he's healthy but sucking ass, the 49ers can walk away from the rest of the contract. Should the 49ers keep Kaep in any year, barring injury, only the guarantee for that year is really guaranteed.
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On June 06 2014 03:16 andrewlt wrote:
You guys are making the mistake of only looking at contracts at face value. The analysis I hear is that Kaep's contract is year to year. Only $13 million is guaranteed when Kaep signed. Most of the $61 million is only guaranteed if he's injured. Every April 1, if the 49ers choose to keep Kaep, the guarantee for that year turns from injury guaranteed to fully guaranteed. So every year in the contract, if he's healthy but sucking ass, the 49ers can walk away from the rest of the contract. Should the 49ers keep Kaep in any year, barring injury, only the guarantee for that year is really guaranteed.
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lots of escalators and deescalators as well. it's extremely cap friendly, esp up front. ive got zero problem with it.
the lack of progression is due to the offense they run. i really wish they'd loosen it up a bit and let him get some more reads in. he's smart/good enough throwing it to do so.
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Wow, look at this:
The 49ers did NOT go all-in with Colin Kaepernick. No, sir. They threw some money at him now – not a lot – and protected their future.
According to multiple published reports, the 49ers can terminate Kaepernick’s contract whenever they want for any reason. His extension basically is a series of one-year deals. If the 49ers don’t want him anymore after next season, Kaepernick will earn just $13 million from this extension.
Until Kaepernick makes another Super Bowl appearance or a first-team or second-team All-Pro selection, the 49ers will penalize him $2 million annually. When he meets one of those two requirements, the 49ers will stop penalizing him.
Say the 49ers keep him for the next three seasons. If he makes an All-Pro team or goes to the Super Bowl starting next season, his base salary could cost the 49ers as much as $39 million during that time. Reasonable.
But, if Kaepernick doesn’t make a Super Bowl appearance and doesn’t make an All-Pro team during the next three seasons, his base salary would cost the 49ers just $33 million, or $11 million per season. That’s a bargain. That’s Alex-Smith territory. The 49ers gave Smith a three-year, $24 million contract two years ago.
The 49ers required Kaepernick to buy disability insurance on his deal. If he suffers a career-ending injury scrambling or running the read-option or taking a sack or doing anything, two things will happen: One, the insurance company will pay him off, not the Niners. They will be off the hook. Two, the insurance company will pay the 49ers $20 million. Sweet deal.
Source.
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That is quite the deal actually. I take everything I said back. 9ers know what's up.
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Wow, imagine that, the 49ers made a smart player personnel decision! Good for them. Cool deal for Kaepernick, he's essentially betting on his own ability, similar to Revis.
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actually a good deal for the 49ers. I think Kaep is an adequate QB, capable of winning a Super Bowl, as he showed vs. Baltimore when he had a first and goal but couldn't capitalize at the end. Is he elite i.e. Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning territory? No. but he can get the job done better than many starters in the league and therefore needed a big pay day. The fact that a lot of it isn't 'guaranteed' makes it better for the team in the end.
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I have to admit, if that's next-gen gameplay and not pre-rendered, I'm impressed.
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I think that shot was in the Madden trailer during E3 today. It's in-game since NBA 2k14 looks really good on the new consoles as well.
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if we could at least get a PC port...
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On June 06 2014 10:15 AgentW wrote:
Wow, imagine that, the 49ers made a smart player personnel decision! Good for them. Cool deal for Kaepernick, he's essentially betting on his own ability, similar to Revis.
Definetly a great deal for 49ers, Hopefully Kaepernick can show what hes made of in the next seasons to come
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On June 10 2014 19:23 y0su wrote:
if we could at least get a PC port...
Agreed. I'm stuck with my Madden 2008 CD because that was the last fully released madden game for PC 
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No excitement for Hard Knocks Falcons style? Matt Ryan is whiter than Dalton, this will be good.
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The unilateral power these governmental agencies are wielding is quite worrisome.
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Ohh man. If Chargers actually snag Brandon Flowers I am going to be super excited.
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