EPTHow do I prevent it? I wasn't even running that fast, so my pace probably didn't have anything to do with it. It just happened suddenly.
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
How do I prevent it? I wasn't even running that fast, so my pace probably didn't have anything to do with it. It just happened suddenly. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On April 11 2014 17:25 Bunn wrote: So, I was running today and everything was going fine, until I got this stinging pain lower right stomach. I wasn't even tired, and I felt I could keep going, but the pain nevertheless returned, thus I had to stop early. How do I prevent it? I wasn't even running that fast, so my pace probably didn't have anything to do with it. It just happened suddenly. Sounds like stitches. It comes from breathing more air in than you're breathing out, ie you're running too fast or your breathing is out of rythm. You prevent this with slowing down. The "easy pace" that we're always talking about in this thread means that it should feel easy aerobically. If I really want to run as fast that it's taxing aerobically (which is only recommended to do ocassionally) and I get stitches I force myself too breathe out more than I breathe in. It usually results in slowing down, too. ______ So I wasn't able to run for a week because I stepped onto a stump of bamboo and I now have a hole in my backfoot. I hope I can run again in a few days. It's really stupid and I'm angry about it because my 31k is only two weeks away and I planned to have some crucial runs this weekend to prepare accordingly. Nothing I can do about it though. I was cycling once for two hours but it's just soooo boring. | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On April 10 2014 01:01 LagLovah wrote: One question I have for you distance guys, or runners in general I suppose, if I try to run at a 5:30/km or slower pace, my calves seem to get really tight, it feels like I have trouble going that slow in general, like if I attempt to slow down from there i end up wasting alot of energy doing so, and that I am only running from my calves and not anywhere else. Not sure if it's just a stride problem? Ha! I know exactly what you mean/are feeling. I, too, simply can't jog and feel good after 1-2 miles. I think what is really happening is that when I'm slowing down intentionally to jogging/sub-jogging pace (where it doesn't feel like "running" anymore) I tend to focus too much on good running form. Good running form takes MORE muscular work to maintain at slow speeds, and I end up trashing my legs (have tried to run with wife to encourage her on her 10-12 minute miles and really hurt afterwards). | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On April 11 2014 17:25 Bunn wrote: So, I was running today and everything was going fine, until I got this stinging pain lower right stomach. I wasn't even tired, and I felt I could keep going, but the pain nevertheless returned, thus I had to stop early. How do I prevent it? I wasn't even running that fast, so my pace probably didn't have anything to do with it. It just happened suddenly. Don_Julio is correct, this sounds very much like a running stitch. Only worry about it if it persists on your next run. Did you eat anything that would have sat poorly before running, because that's definitely another way to have a bad running day stitches/GI-wise. On April 11 2014 19:09 Don_Julio wrote: So I wasn't able to run for a week because I stepped onto a stump of bamboo and I now have a hole in my backfoot. I hope I can run again in a few days. It's really stupid and I'm angry about it because my 31k is only two weeks away and I planned to have some crucial runs this weekend to prepare accordingly. Nothing I can do about it though. I was cycling once for two hours but it's just soooo boring. Oh, man, tell me about it! I was on vacation last week in Portland, OR, and over-trained a bit on hills and cement.  I now have a Achilles tendon issue, and am taking it as easy as possible in order to still have a chance of beating L_Master in the Bolder Boulder. Boring, stupid setback, but we're just going to have to do the smart thing and carefully rest up/cross train. | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On April 10 2014 04:47 L_Master wrote: Last little workout today before Bash the Bluffs on Saturday. Cutdown workout going 1200, 2x800, 2x400, 2x200, 2:30 jog after the 1200, 2:00 jogs after the 800s, then 90s between everything else. 4:23, 2:51, 2:48, 80, 77, 34, 32. The two 800s were pretty tough, but the rest of it was comfortable...or at least as comfortable as you can be in a speed session. Solid. Good luck this weekend's Bash! | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Solid. Good luck this weekend's Bash! Thanks man! It's a super hilly race, with about 450' of gain and 450' of loss over 5k. Main gameplan is just to compete for the win since I am pseudo defending champ (won in '12, couldn't race in 13' due to injury). Even if some guy shows up that is a solid low 17 or 16 guy I'll probably go out with em and just hang on as long as I can. If it ends up being a solo run, then I'd be okay with anything 20-20:30 range, and anything under 20 would be a good result. Still to heavy to run well on hills...and I was never good at them to begin with. Oh, man, tell me about it! I was on vacation last week in Portland, OR, and over-trained a bit on hills and cement. I now have a Achilles tendon issue, and am taking it as easy as possible in order to still have a chance of beating L_Master in the Bolder Boulder. Boring, stupid setback, but we're just going to have to do the smart thing and carefully rest up/cross train.I've had an achilles flare up a couple times before. What I find really works is stretching, as long as it isn't pain free; and more importantly eccentric calf drops. I don't know why, but those work magnificently. For stretching I just do the standard calf wall stretch with 45s hold 3-4x a day and the achilles specific version with bent trail leg (+ Show Spoiler [bent leg] +) You'll probably be good to go in a couple days or less unless you REALLY overdid it with pissing off the achilles. + Show Spoiler [Calf Drop Vid] + PS: If you wanna make it really a true head to head race I'll be in the AA wave as I'm also competing with some of my teammates, but we are starting in the AA wave as one guy doesn't have the "A" standard. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
Timewise, it's good in that I improved from my last race and this course had some rolling "hills" (though true hilly courses from cross country days or people not just doing east-coast city running would scoff at it), but the first 1/2 of the course was a small incline on average I suppose. I hit my technical goal of the 18:15-18:30 range. Racewise, I was mentally weak. Although my general goal is basically continued improvement on every race, my heart "really" wanted to aim about 18:00-18:07. I went out too fast and died at the 3200 mark; my split was about 11:25 rather than 11:35 or so needed. Or maybe I just didn't push myself the last mile, as the race ended on a small downhill and I had a surprisingly good kick. Lack of mental strength lost me a 18:10 time. Poor race management probably cost me a 18:05 time (assuming mental strength is there too). The pack of 3 people that passed me slightly after the 3200 finished near (edit: actually they did make 17:45) or so, i.e. they maintained the pace. I always run positive splits so they probably would have edged me out, but this race was too much of a difference in pace. I don't think I felt it in particular but I did have about 15 hours of sleep the prior 72 hours to the race, and that won't happen again. This was also the race I had been targetting for, not sure when my next race will be. I'll probably shoot for something in late june or july. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
I never heard people call striders as "pickups" before and I wonder if that's a regional/geographic dialect thing or a generation gap thing or whatnot. I find differences in dialects and such pretty interesting, just as a random aside. | ||
micronesia
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Ended up in about 19:45, probably could have found another 15-20 seconds if I had really run ideally. Pretty satisfied overall though, it's faster than I ran here in shape 2 years ago, and knowing my general suckage on hilly courses I feel pretty confident about being able to go 18:00-18:20 on a fairly flat course. Next race is a 5k april 27th, then a collegiate meet 5000 or 1500 (undecided yet) on May 11, then Bolder Boulder on the 26th. | ||
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Advocado
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Bunn
Estonia934 Posts
EDIT: After further investigation it may have something to do with what I eat. I usually go for a run without eating and drinking first, so that probably is the cause of my low energy. I also read that I should eat some slowly digestible food the night before (I've never given eating much thought). | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On April 14 2014 15:48 Bunn wrote: I woke up on the usual time, but as the day before I didn't feel like running (skipped a day). Nevertheless, I gathered all my willpower and for it anyways. That didn't turn out well at all. I felt like there was a mental and physical block that prevented me from running. I only managed to run 5 minutes until I felt like my body doesn't want to go anymore. Last week I managed 16 minutes non-stop and felt like I could keep on going, but today was a far cry from that. I'm so disappointed. :/ EDIT: After further investigation it may have something to do with what I eat. I usually go for a run without eating and drinking first, so that probably is the cause of my low energy. I also read that I should eat some slowly digestible food the night before (I've never given eating much thought). This sucks but your next run will be better. Even the best runners have bad days. Yeah, food is quite important. You don't need to bother too much with what you eat the night before, yet. But you should absolutely eat before (but not too close to) your runs. A bowl of cereals with milk (if you aren't lactose intolerant ofc) or some bread with whatever you like works fine. Don't eat too much though. Same for drinking. I stop drinking and eating about an hour or half an hour before my runs or else my stomach rebels. _____ I continued running today. I still felt the hole in my foot and it was getting a little uncomfortable at the 50minute mark but I'm sure that it will have healed enough to run the 30k race in two weeks. I missed about 5 training sessions or 70km because of the accident and it really affected me today when I tried to run at a faster pace for the 2nd half. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
@Advocado - Don't really know what else is out there but SportTracker and Strava work fine for me | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On April 12 2014 12:55 L_Master wrote: Thanks man! It's a super hilly race, with about 450' of gain and 450' of loss over 5k. Main gameplan is just to compete for the win since I am pseudo defending champ (won in '12, couldn't race in 13' due to injury). Even if some guy shows up that is a solid low 17 or 16 guy I'll probably go out with em and just hang on as long as I can. If it ends up being a solo run, then I'd be okay with anything 20-20:30 range, and anything under 20 would be a good result. Still to heavy to run well on hills...and I was never good at them to begin with. I know how that goes! My pride race has been the Peach Festival 5K up in Fort Collins, 3rd 3 years ago, 2nd 2 years ago, 1st last year. The sad thing is that my times have been getting slower each time... Looks like you did very well, anyway, from your post and time! It's early in the racing season to have that Killer Instinct coming in at full strength. + Show Spoiler + I've had an achilles flare up a couple times before. What I find really works is stretching, as long as it isn't pain free; and more importantly eccentric calf drops. I don't know why, but those work magnificently. For stretching I just do the standard calf wall stretch with 45s hold 3-4x a day and the achilles specific version with bent trail leg http://orangeinsoles.com/img/cms/articles-img/Achilles Tendon-4.gif You'll probably be good to go in a couple days or less unless you REALLY overdid it with pissing off the achilles. + Show Spoiler [Calf Drop Vid] + Thanks for the advice on the achilles. I've been taking it really easy (read: no running) and stretching out this past week and will try to do some pool running tonight to stretch it out before a test run tomorrow. PS: If you wanna make it really a true head to head race I'll be in the AA wave as I'm also competing with some of my teammates, but we are starting in the AA wave as one guy doesn't have the "A" standard. I'll check around and see if any of my guys is AA. If so, there might be a massed start of A-qualified AA-running peoples!  | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 15 2014 03:13 mtmentat wrote: I know how that goes! My pride race has been the Peach Festival 5K up in Fort Collins, 3rd 3 years ago, 2nd 2 years ago, 1st last year. The sad thing is that my times have been getting slower each time... Looks like you did very well, anyway, from your post and time! It's early in the racing season to have that Killer Instinct coming in at full strength. Thanks for the advice on the achilles. I've been taking it really easy (read: no running) and stretching out this past week and will try to do some pool running tonight to stretch it out before a test run tomorrow. I'll check around and see if any of my guys is AA. If so, there might be a massed start of A-qualified AA-running peoples! I can't remember if I mentioned it before, but in a couple months when I have a little more mileage in me; myself, a few guys from my running group here in the Springs, and maybe a couple of guys from the UCCS squad are gonna hit up the famous "Mags" CU long run route in Bolder. If you'd be interested in joining us for that feel free. Also, I believe you mentioned considering the ascent. If you are ever gonna be down here planning to do the Peak let me know! | ||
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mtmentat
United States142 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:29 Don_Julio wrote: I continued running today. I still felt the hole in my foot and it was getting a little uncomfortable at the 50minute mark but I'm sure that it will have healed enough to run the 30k race in two weeks. I missed about 5 training sessions or 70km because of the accident and it really affected me today when I tried to run at a faster pace for the 2nd half. Here's hoping you'll bounce back faster than you expect. Really bad timing with the bamboo, though, sucks! | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
I'm planning a strong workout on Saturday (3 weeks out from half marathon) instead of an easy long run my coach recommended to do a 10 mile tempo run- 2 miles easy, 6 miles just under race pace, 2 miles recovery. My target race pace for the half is 8/mile (basically a 1:45 total time) so I'm going to shoot to keep things under 8/mile for the middle portion of my workout on Saturday. Feeling good, no injuries or aches or anything which is really nice. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 17 2014 13:58 LuckyFool wrote: Ypang still running Boston next week? Haven't heard an update from him in a while, the big day is coming up!! I'm planning a strong workout on Saturday (3 weeks out from half marathon) instead of an easy long run my coach recommended to do a 10 mile tempo run- 2 miles easy, 6 miles just under race pace, 2 miles recovery. My target race pace for the half is 8/mile (basically a 1:45 total time) so I'm going to shoot to keep things under 8/mile for the middle portion of my workout on Saturday. Feeling good, no injuries or aches or anything which is really nice. That's not a bad variation, but 3x3M is really nice too. Maybe 2:00-3:00 easy rest between each. You can get more work in at half pace that way, though it is a fairly tough workout. Get through that under control and you are definitely in shape for whatever your avg time was. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
Cut to last night and I'm doing some yoga before bed, and I get that same feeling in my hip (I don't know what to call the area, so I'm just going to go with hip until someone corrects me.) I woke up this morning and went for my walk (1 hour at moderate pace (3.5 mph or so avg pace). I was uncomfortable the entire time because of this feeling in my hip. I did some stretches that open up the hips after I got done with breakfast (lizard, reclined pidgeon, reclined godess, etc,) and it seemed to make things better, but I'm still aware of the discomfort there. Now, it's not so bad that I can't do anything on it, but I'm not sure if this is a precursor to a pull or something worse, and I don't want to aggravate any problems. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of thing that can tell me if this is serious or not, and If I'm OK to keep doing what I'm doing (walk an hour every morning, run 3 times/week?) Thanks for the help | ||
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