Teamliquid Health and Fitness Initiative for 2014 - Page 116

On August 13 2014 08:39 ShadeR wrote:
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On August 13 2014 20:50 FFGenerations wrote:
im trying klokov press until i realised u need to be crouched down and im just doing a behind the head press.

does anyone else here do behind the head press/klokov?

it seems to work my middle/upper back a bit like my shitty barbell rows, and to potentially be rehabbing my fucked shoulder (or potentially fucking it up if i relax form). also im capable of doing it after bench but i wouldnt be able to do it when i do ohp and lr - too much volume. it seems like a super auxiliary exercise a bit like my lateral raises, but i wouldnt want it to interfere with pullups (and rows when i get better at them).

On August 14 2014 20:38 zatic wrote:
Why can I do a handstand pushup (without holding the top position) but not a bodyweight OHP? Doesn't make sense to me. Is it because I am likely not pushing straight up because I almost immediately fall over from the top position in the handstand pushup?

The confusion, and subsequent discrepancy in these overhead pressing strength ratios, usually arises from comparing what are essentially as different as apples and oranges. Non-gymnasts have a tendency to confuse headstand pushups (HeSPUs) with handstand pushups (HSPUs). HeSPUs are the popular partial ROM movement where the body only lowers until the top of the head contacts the ground. These are several orders of magnitude easier than true HSPUs. As an illustration, consider the difference in difficulty between a military press where the weight never goes below the top of the head and a military press where the weight descends to the collar bones.

HeSPUs are an essential step in the process of developing HSPU strength, however it should be recognized that they are the journey's beginning - not the end. If you have progressively built up to HSPUs in your training (rather than remaining with HeSPU variations) you will be able to military press AT LEAST your bodyweight; depending on how far through the HSPU variations you have progressed.

Remember resistance is resistance; it does not matter if it is a pound of iron or a pound of bodyweight - used methodically and with dedication the end result is still greater strength.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

On August 14 2014 22:17 Najda wrote:




Taken from https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/topic/23-discrepancies-in-military-pressing-vs-hspu-strength/

The tl;dr is if you are doing full ROM HSPU you should be able to do a bodyweight OHP

On August 14 2014 23:04 GoTuNk! wrote:


That's ridiculous they are different movements. It's like saying because you can do pistols with both legs you can do a 2x body weight squat.

I'll be attending a klokov seminar this weekend (:D:D:D) was wondering if anyone has any suggestion for questions to klokov.

On August 14 2014 23:18 Najda wrote:


A pistol on each leg would be roughly equivalent to a bodyweight barbell squat following the same logic since you still have to account for your body and not just the barbell, although with a non-barbell squat you aren't moving your entire mass so it'd be slightly less than bodyweight.