EPTIf they keep Hazard (any new rumours about him? During the winter German media said he might go to PSG) they could be the team to beat next year.
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
If they keep Hazard (any new rumours about him? During the winter German media said he might go to PSG) they could be the team to beat next year. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On May 17 2014 01:26 smr wrote: Can you guys imagine how awesome the new football thread would be if Chelsea had Diego Costa, Mandzukic and Lukaku next year? Pande would flame his midfield all day because they aren't scoring anymore ; ) If they keep Hazard (any new rumours about him? During the winter German media said he might go to PSG) they could be the team to beat next year. They'll play with a bunch of technically gifted midfielders just to have their defenders hoof the ball up to the striker, completely bypassing the midfield.  | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6289 Posts
On May 16 2014 19:57 warding wrote: Aren't we still on time to change it? With stadiums being half built? We're way too late. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On May 17 2014 02:04 RvB wrote: With stadiums being half built? We're way too late. They're already building the stadiums for 2022? | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
Second it would scare potential other countries. Remember the reason Euro 2020 is in 13 different countries, it is not because it "unites europe" or some shit it is because no one wanted it in the first place. If you take it away from Quatar for "minor" things like human rights or the public doesnt like non democratic countries you are cutting out places like China, Turkey, half of east Europe and arguably even Africa and South America for future application. Fifa will not create a precedent for taking away already given tournaments, because getting them and preparing them is really expensive even if you are believing these votes arent rigged. The only way i see is either Qatar runs out of money, which i dont believ or there is some sort of political revolution in 2022. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18694 Posts
On May 16 2014 22:21 Pandemona wrote: Lionel Messi has agreed a new contract with Barcelona which will make him the best-paid player in the world. Reports in Spain suggest Messi's new deal will see the Argentina superstar paid a basic salary of £16.3m a year, with added performance-based incentives. Source aka £313,400 a week.... BEFORE bonuses xD Oh gosh..... In the end Messi is not any different than C. Ronaldo hahahaha Only money matters. Lahm has expressively wished his desire to play DM all the time a few months ago. Same he did all those years ago to switch from LB to RB. Lahm always gets his wish fulfilled. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18694 Posts
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Craze
United States561 Posts
And it's probably agents that are encouraging this. Players find the right agent and leave them to it, only weighing in with things like "I'm open to moving clubs" or "I want to sign an extension". The details are all for the agent. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:35 Craze wrote: I don't understand why people get on Messi for wanting to be the best paid footballer in the world. If you're the best CEO, computer programmer, investment banker etc. you demand the best compensation for what you do. It doesn't make him greedy, he is deserving of being the best paid player. When the club generates hundreds of millions of euros off of his name alone plus all of the extra brand interest it generates, he should be filthy rich. And it's probably agents that are encouraging this. Players find the right agent and leave them to it, only weighing in with things like "I'm open to moving clubs" or "I want to sign an extension". The details are all for the agent. No one says he doesn´t deserve to be highest payed. Most people just think it is kinda childish that Real and Barca do this "Ronaldo/Messi is the best so he has to be payed better then the other" game every 6 months or so. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28852 Posts
see the thing is that the club wouldn't have to generate hundreds of millions of euros off his name if this greed wasn't so pervasive. if top players made a fraction of what they do, tickets could cost less, supporter gear could cost less, tv rights could cost less, and everyone not at the top of this pyramid would be better off. | ||
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Craze
United States561 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:45 Liquid`Drone wrote: he is greedy. I can agree that he's not any worse than others, but this greediness is imo one of the worst traits of our collective humanity and expressing our discontent with that is sadly basically as much as we can possibly do to combat it. see the thing is that the club wouldn't have to generate hundreds of millions of euros off his name if this greed wasn't so pervasive. if top players made a fraction of what they do, tickets could cost less, supporter gear could cost less, tv rights could cost less, and everyone not at the top of this pyramid would be better off. I agree. The human need to gauge one's own success through monetary compensation is regrettable. But it's not going to change anytime soon. I don't really hold people in low esteem for it. | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
On May 17 2014 04:01 Craze wrote: I agree. The human need to gauge one's own success through monetary compensation is regrettable. But it's not going to change anytime soon. I don't really hold people in low esteem for it. This isn't really the place for such a discussion but there is a big and growing part of the society that is not this way so please don't speak for all of humanity this is just a big excuse for people not to rethink about theirselves. If we talk about people like top athlets, managers or movie stars it's of course even harder because they live in a world where they are surrounded by big money all day but it's still not an excuse. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
"Man City said on their website that they agreed not to exceed spending 60 million euros net in the upcoming summer transfer window." I quite like this idea. Transfer window limits will definitely be the best way of enforcing finical fair play if they have that power in my view. It seems a bit ridiculous to me to give clubs huge fines for losing money. That seems slightly redundant it just means the clubs will cost their owners even more. However if they can enforce strict transfer limits then the rich investors/loss making clubs clubs will have to either curtail their losses or develop really good training academies if they want to keep getting the best players. I don't know how much the 21 man squad hurts the teams in Europe. Clubs tend not to use that many players but I guess they still need extra keepers and defenders in their squad even if they have no intention of using them just in case. I take it Manchester Cities version of breaking even this year means writing off all their debt as a huge sponsorship deal. I don't think that's quite what UEFA had in mind. Still if they expand their stadium and bring down the wage bill a little bit from ludicrous to just ridiculous they might stand a chance in the next few years of only losing £20 million a year. "PSG must operate at a loss of no more than 30 million euros next year, but in 2016 they will be given no leeway and must break even." Sorry but how the hell are PSG going to be making even in 2 years time. That's not going to happen they will just take the penalty. | ||
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warding
Portugal2396 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:45 Liquid`Drone wrote: see the thing is that the club wouldn't have to generate hundreds of millions of euros off his name if this greed wasn't so pervasive. if top players made a fraction of what they do, tickets could cost less, supporter gear could cost less, tv rights could cost less, and everyone not at the top of this pyramid would be better off. I don't think that's how the laws of supply and demand work. Players wages have nothing to do with what clubs charge for tickets. Ticker prices are based on the demand curve of the fans - how much they're willing to pay for entertainment and how elastic that demand is. Players wages are dependent on the demand curve of the clubs, which depends on how much they earn on ticket prices. So you should really be blaming the fans. If they were not willing to pay much for ticket prices, ticket prices would be lower. The marginal cost of a ticket is 0 for the club, so in theory they could end up letting in people for free. EDIT: What I said about tickets applies to tv rights, supporter gear, etc. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28852 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:21 warding wrote: I don't think that's how the laws of supply and demand work. Players wages have nothing to do with what clubs charge for tickets. Ticker prices are based on the demand curve of the fans - how much they're willing to pay for entertainment and how elastic that demand is. Players wages are dependent on the demand curve of the clubs, which depends on how much they earn on ticket prices. So you should really be blaming the fans. If they were not willing to pay much for ticket prices, ticket prices would be lower. The marginal cost of a ticket is 0 for the club, so in theory they could end up letting in people for free. EDIT: What I said about tickets applies to tv rights, supporter gear, etc. I agree, I just think it sucks because it makes the product more expensive all around..like it used to be the case that I could watch PL+CL+norwegian league+ national team matches through tv having this standard basic cable. In the past 15 years however, all of these have either completely or partially been moved to 3 different PPV services - and if I want all of them it's like $75 per month. likewise it's my impression that much of the old PL crowd has been substituted with foreigners - the product has become too expensive for those who helped build it. I'm not really putting the blame on anyone in particular, I just think it'd be nice if player salaries and transfer fees could take a nosedive and stuff could cost less.  | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6289 Posts
On May 17 2014 03:35 Craze wrote: I don't understand why people get on Messi for wanting to be the best paid footballer in the world. If you're the best CEO, computer programmer, investment banker etc. you demand the best compensation for what you do. It doesn't make him greedy, he is deserving of being the best paid player. When the club generates hundreds of millions of euros off of his name alone plus all of the extra brand interest it generates, he should be filthy rich. And it's probably agents that are encouraging this. Players find the right agent and leave them to it, only weighing in with things like "I'm open to moving clubs" or "I want to sign an extension". The details are all for the agent. It's silly blaming it all on agents, it's their job to get the best deal possible. In the end it's the player who is the boss and decides what will happen and not the agent. @warding yeah I think so. Aren't those workers dying becaise they're building the stadiums? Anyway even of that wasn't the case sponsor contracts are already done as well and you can't just change those. edit: I don't think supply and demand really work in football. It's no real market with UEFA and FIFA. We're just gettint massively fucked in this game just because we all love it. | ||
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malcram
2752 Posts
On May 17 2014 06:59 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agree, I just think it sucks because it makes the product more expensive all around..like it used to be the case that I could watch PL+CL+norwegian league+ national team matches through tv having this standard basic cable. In the past 15 years however, all of these have either completely or partially been moved to 3 different PPV services - and if I want all of them it's like $75 per month. likewise it's my impression that much of the old PL crowd has been substituted with foreigners - the product has become too expensive for those who helped build it. I'm not really putting the blame on anyone in particular, I just think it'd be nice if player salaries and transfer fees could take a nosedive and stuff could cost less. Tell me about it... Singaporeans have to pay SGD 114 (USD 91) to watch the world cup... and we pay about SGD 60ish just for the EPL and nothing else. No champions league no fa cup etc. But that is mostly due to a bidding war between the 2 main telcos here. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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haitike
Spain2737 Posts
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