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Wazabo
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy124 Posts
July 02 2013 17:04 GMT
#141
Aren't most teams across europe on red balances? If the system is able to stay afloat only because few rich people are throwing a lot of money into it, it is not a really good system. I like much more how things work in the NBA, but I doubt the uefa will ever go in that direction.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
July 02 2013 17:11 GMT
#142
Football teams don't turn a profit because that's not the point. Rich people buy teams for fun/prestige, not to earn money (with exceptions here and there... Like Malcolm Glazer?). Other teams are owned by fans who care about results and not about profits. If the shareholders of football clubs don't care about earning profits, what the hell is the problem exactly?

Steveling, you are right, I shouldn't have called it "money" or "satisfaction", I should have called it value. I was trying to simplify.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
July 02 2013 17:17 GMT
#143
There are plenty of clubs that do run a profit. Taking a loan doesn't directly influence your profit.
Wazabo
Profile Joined October 2010
Italy124 Posts
July 02 2013 17:51 GMT
#144
I don't want to sound boring, but the UEFA itself sees this trend as a problem. Infact they introduced the Financial Fair Play rules a couple of years ago. Let's see if this year they start to apply these rules.

Platini said that about 50% of the european clubs were running at a loss in 2009. I am actually curious how's the situation now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations

lafond1H
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada77 Posts
July 02 2013 18:35 GMT
#145
Stoke City sign Spain u21 champion Marc Muniesa on a free transfer. Spent his youth in the Barcelona academy.

http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/muniesa-891256.aspx
cal p baby
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8941 Posts
July 02 2013 18:59 GMT
#146
On July 03 2013 01:51 warding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 01:43 alwaysfeeling wrote:
On July 03 2013 01:37 warding wrote:
On July 03 2013 01:33 Steveling wrote:
On July 03 2013 01:17 evilfatsh1t wrote:
41m euros for luiz? fifa/uefa or someone really has to start setting groundrules for transfer fees. the amount of money being thrown around is ridiculous, not to mention the wages. 400k a week for messi is outrageous irregardless of how good he is.


I agree.

But, noone shouldn't really, actors, singers, artists of all sorts, athletes, all these oligarchs like B.Gates etc.
We can't really do anything about it though, that's the bestial power of capitalism, you see 100m and you think that's a hefty sum but the guys who pay for it are gonna get it back ten fold so..

All the people you listed (Bill Gates is not an oligarch), create much more value for society than they get paid. They deserve everything they earn.


Justin Bieber? Paul Walker? Jay-Z? Keanu Reeves?

I'm not saying Athletes are worth more than actors or singers but they're at least on the same level. For me, soccer makes me happy, for others maybe it's movies/music but you really can't argue and say that those making exorbitant amounts of money are better/worse than others. one could argue that athletes are artists as well..


1. Irregardless isn't a word.


stop being a douche. you know what he meant.

People are willing to buy Justin Bieber's music and go to his concerts. If someone pays 60$ to go to his concert, it means that the concert generates over 60$ of happiness to that someone. If Justin Bieber is worth millions, it means he's generated millions worth of satisfaction to people around the world.

Someone needed to point out irregardless isn't a word otherwise he's going to look bad again and again. I was being kind.


just because its non standard it doesnt make it "not a word". you understood what i meant and so the word achieved its purpose. dont be an idiot
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
July 02 2013 19:00 GMT
#147
Aubameyang to Dortmund seems like a done deal. Contract until 2018. Fee is reported to be 13M €

No contract signed yet but it seems like a done deal when even the Kicker reports it.
But does it djent?
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 19:01:46
July 02 2013 19:01 GMT
#148
UEFA's Financial Fair play is a matter of protectionism and personal aesthetic preference rather than something that would increase the quality of football played. Conservative western Europeans tend to dislike the idea of rich Arabs/Russians coming into football and splurging on fringe clubs. It only benefits the clubs already at the top of the game.

Aren't these new crazy investments in PSG and Monaco making french football more interesting?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 19:17:06
July 02 2013 19:16 GMT
#149
On July 03 2013 04:01 warding wrote:
UEFA's Financial Fair play is a matter of protectionism and personal aesthetic preference rather than something that would increase the quality of football played. Conservative western Europeans tend to dislike the idea of rich Arabs/Russians coming into football and splurging on fringe clubs. It only benefits the clubs already at the top of the game.

Aren't these new crazy investments in PSG and Monaco making french football more interesting?

And massively inflating player prices which make the smaller clubs even less competitive than they already are.
edit: It's not healthy to need a rich investor who can easily pull out to get to the top of the football world.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 19:54:37
July 02 2013 19:53 GMT
#150
Maybe I will sound naive here, but why aren't Chelsea trying to sign Mario Gomez? He'd be way cheaper than Cavani, and he wouldn't need to contribute much to the link up play with all that talent around him.

It just seems to me like Chelsea don't really need to get Cavani, especially for as much as the rumors state, since they already have Ba, Torres, and Lukaku. I feel like they are going to buy Cavani just because they can, as if they are just trying to show the world that they have a ton of money to spend.

On July 02 2013 17:43 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 16:39 Ferrose wrote:
On July 02 2013 14:52 Maenander wrote:
On July 02 2013 05:56 Ferrose wrote:
http://news.arseblog.com/2013/07/report-leverkusen-rebuff-arsenals-e23m-bender-bid/

I used to like Leverkusen. But then they did business with Chelsea, and rejected Arsenal. Not cool guys Still, I am loving this ambition shown by the club.


Schürrle was very interested in moving to a bigger club, Leverkusen couldn't hold on to him much longer. And they found a replacement for him in Son.
Bender on the other hand is not for sale, Leverkusen is not a supermarket


Yeah, it was just bad timing I guess. Bender is a key player for them, one they will really need to qualify for the CL again, as the 3rd and 4th spots will be very open next season in the Bundesliga. And after the Schuerrle sale, Leverkusen certainly didn't need the money.

Edit: I also think all that talk about Arsenal having all this money to spend is going to get other clubs to play hardball with them in the transfer market : /


Im pretty sure we know the reason why Ferrose

Mr Wenger rings up a club (or his chairman)
"We bid £8million for Ashley Williams"
Swansea chairman "His value is £10million before you can talk to him"
Arsenal chairman "Ok thanks for your time, i'll get back to you"..........
Wenger "£10million, are they fucking joking, do they think we're made of money, no way, we'll find someone else, their trying to rob us"

Repeat with every target ^_^


Yeah, no more swindling people in the transfer market : /

On July 02 2013 21:46 USvBleakill wrote:
Is it just me or is the transfer market heavily overheating at the moment?

Isco 30M€, the armenien guy from Donezk 30M€ i mean these are all good players but a couple of years ago everything above 20 Million looked very high and only for top players. Today it looks like every average player costs 10+


Well, at least you have to spend money to get talent.

On July 03 2013 02:04 Wazabo wrote:
Aren't most teams across europe on red balances? If the system is able to stay afloat only because few rich people are throwing a lot of money into it, it is not a really good system. I like much more how things work in the NBA, but I doubt the uefa will ever go in that direction.


I'd love to see a luxury tax implemented. I don't know enough about team finances to be able to set a threshold, but it would limit payrolls because teams would have to pay a tax (either a certain % of the money they are over the threshold, or a set amount for every pound/euro over the threshold) when they exceed it, then the money is evenly distributed amongst the teams that aren't over it.

The problem though, is that it still doesn't solve the disparity between the top flight and lower divisions : /
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 02 2013 20:14 GMT
#151
GRRR


Sky sources revealing that Paris Saint-Germain have bid £43m for Napoli striker Edinson Cavani.



GET OFF HIM. HE CHELSEA'S
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 20:16:01
July 02 2013 20:15 GMT
#152
For the Netherlands it certainly wasn't bad for there just to be a handful of teams with financial power because it meant we got to keep our talented players for longer. The sheer quantity of clubs with money nowadays means that pretty much all the smaller leagues have become feeders for the bigger leagues and only Porto/Benfica really manage to show strong European performances.

But ignoring PSG/Man City/Chelsea. The trend of the last decade has seen the likes of Bayern and Madrid just completely take off financially to the point that it's unthinkable for any club from the Netherlands beating them anyway. Of course you can say that both teams deserve their money (Bayern at least) more than teams with financial investors, but at least there are clubs competing with them. To fix football as a whole there needs to be something capping all financial powerhouses.
eLyx
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany54 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 20:47:57
July 02 2013 20:47 GMT
#153
According to the "Kicker" in germany, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of St. Etienne will sign with Dortmund till 2018 for a transferfee of 13 million €.

Anyone here can tell me more about him?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
July 02 2013 21:55 GMT
#154
On July 03 2013 04:53 Ferrose wrote:
Maybe I will sound naive here, but why aren't Chelsea trying to sign Mario Gomez? He'd be way cheaper than Cavani, and he wouldn't need to contribute much to the link up play with all that talent around him.



Same reason Dortmund arent interested in him.
Good coaches dont like Gomez or his play style. Football becomes more and more centered on 10 man chasing the ball (through pressing) for 90min non stop.
If you get Gomez 9 players have to do the work of 10, what team would want that?
PixelNite
Profile Joined August 2011
France1008 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 22:08:13
July 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#155
On July 03 2013 05:47 eLyx wrote:
According to the "Kicker" in germany, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of St. Etienne will sign with Dortmund till 2018 for a transferfee of 13 million €.

Anyone here can tell me more about him?

He is a really good and still young player, the fee is reasonable, I think it's a good opportunity Dortmund. Not Lewandowski level yet tho.
He scored 19 goals last year.
Mercurial
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada92 Posts
July 02 2013 22:12 GMT
#156
On July 03 2013 05:14 Pandemona wrote:
GRRR


Sky sources revealing that Paris Saint-Germain have bid £43m for Napoli striker Edinson Cavani.



GET OFF HIM. HE CHELSEA'S


Oh god I hope PSG sign him even though I'll probably be cheering for Monaco (inb4 bandwagoning, they have James and Falcao two of my favourite players...). Chelsea tears are so goddam delicious specially since Chelsea fans will probably complain if the deal goes through about FFP and how money is affecting football negatively oh the beautiful irony
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
July 02 2013 23:45 GMT
#157
On July 03 2013 05:47 eLyx wrote:
According to the "Kicker" in germany, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of St. Etienne will sign with Dortmund till 2018 for a transferfee of 13 million €.

Anyone here can tell me more about him?


He's fast and technical. He is a striker but can play easily on the wing. He is awesome, I would have loved to see him at PSG.
mavignon
Profile Joined November 2010
France369 Posts
July 02 2013 23:56 GMT
#158
On July 03 2013 04:53 Ferrose wrote:
The problem though, is that it still doesn't solve the disparity between the top flight and lower divisions : /


Why would one want to "solve" the disparity between top flights and lower divisions?
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
July 02 2013 23:59 GMT
#159
Is it just me, or does David Moyes look like the biggest psycho in football?

[image loading]
I swear he's planning me and my family's ruin in that picture.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
July 03 2013 00:23 GMT
#160
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Goetze wears a Nike shirt to his first press conference as a Bayern player. I can't believe no one thought to give him a plain shirt or something. And I love the camera angles in this picture and interview:

+ Show Spoiler +
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