EPTBig Sam is ready for 19th century football!
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Mensol
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Big Sam is ready for 19th century football! | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On April 04 2014 14:17 Ferrose wrote: Food for thought: if Barcelona didn't buy young kids from non-EU nations, we wouldn't have Messi. This doesn´t make it any better. You have to keep in mind that this rule isn´t made for either Barca, players like Messi or that Korean kid. It is to prevent the development a business out of "selling" young kids from poor/uneducated places to european clubs that scout/buy with the shotgun method. Also i dont think this comes from the direction of RM. They will sit there and hope that nobody looks too closely at their "deals" i mean look at their weird estate trades with the Madrid city. You can argue that both teams wouldn't even exist anymore without government cheati... ahh i mean "support". | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
The law objective is a nice one, but the ways are wrong. La Masia educates and helps kids grow in a much better way than most of their countries IMO. Of course this stuff won't reach most of the media, especially foreign, and people will just read the headline and assume the worst. Maybe this time Madrid isn't behind the report, considering how their media was bragging about a japanese 8 year old signing just a few weeks ago. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On April 04 2014 14:26 Micro_Jackson wrote: This doesn´t make it any better. You have to keep in mind that this rule isn´t made for either Barca, players like Messi or that Korean kid. It is to prevent the development a business out of "selling" young kids from poor/uneducated places to european clubs that scout/buy with the shotgun method. + Show Spoiler + Also i dont think this comes from the direction of RM. They will sit there and hope that nobody looks too closely at their "deals" i mean look at their weird estate trades with the Madrid city. You can argue that both teams wouldn't even exist anymore without government cheati... ahh i mean "support". Unfortunately rules and laws with the words "only apply this to cases it was intended for" are very rare. After reading the rules, I dont like them too much, or I must have issed some important parts. Basically, I think means if you're a highly talented kid from a country with no good football infrastructure you are not allowed to get football training elsewhere (unless you find some loopholes to exploit)? Let's say you're the next Samuel Etoo, you are stuck playing in cameroon (no disrespect, but I think the competition level isnt that high there) until you are 18? ("Workarounds" could be something like declaring a football academy a joint academy from one club in each state in the world, as I didnt find something saying that "players need to train at the city where the team is based". So as an example, Barca finds a korean club, lets say Seoul123, they sign a deal and a few players from the korean club are allowed to train at the now jointly Barca-Seoul123-owned La Masia.) Also very strange that FIFA, as a global organization, allow exception for europe, but not for any other continent. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
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Akka
France291 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18713 Posts
On April 04 2014 18:50 Twisted wrote: It's ridiculous anyway. How about the UEFA and FIFA actually try to put a dent into the situation with player agents because they're the ones actively destroying football while filling their pockets. They will never do that because it also fills fifa uefa pockets! | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Let's see if they can fit their senpai's shoes. If not barca will not give a 2nd thought next summer will break bank on quality signings. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On April 04 2014 08:40 Twisted wrote: Yeah and the UEFA wants to stop Barça from giving youth like that (and youth often in bad and poor environments) a chance at an amazing life. What a dumb organisation. That's human trafficking and it's no better than procuring. You would be revolted to hear the same kind of business for prostitution but because it's football, it appears acceptable. It's not, and never will be. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On April 04 2014 14:26 Micro_Jackson wrote: This doesn´t make it any better. You have to keep in mind that this rule isn´t made for either Barca, players like Messi or that Korean kid. It is to prevent the development a business out of "selling" young kids from poor/uneducated places to european clubs that scout/buy with the shotgun method. Also i dont think this comes from the direction of RM. They will sit there and hope that nobody looks too closely at their "deals" i mean look at their weird estate trades with the Madrid city. You can argue that both teams wouldn't even exist anymore without government cheati... ahh i mean "support". If parents and their kid agree, then the kid can go to other club. Nothing else. Messi's parents were super happy. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:01 Otolia wrote: That's human trafficking and it's no better than procuring. You would be revolted to hear the same kind of business for prostitution but because it's football, it appears acceptable. It's not, and never will be. I think the main difference here is children that leave their home nation to play football do so willingly, while kids who get used for prostitution are being taken against their will... | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
According to the International Centre for Migration Policy Development (ICMPD), people smuggling is a crime against the State due to the violation of national immigration laws, and does not require violations of the rights of the smuggled person. Human trafficking, on the other hand, is a crime against a person because of the violation of the victim's rights through coercion and exploitation.[14] While smuggling requires travel, trafficking does not. Much of the confusion rests with the term itself, as the word "trafficking" evokes the idea of transport or travel. However, unlike most cases of people smuggling, victims of human trafficking are not permitted to leave upon arrival at their destination. They are held against their will through acts of coercion, and forced to work for or provide services to the trafficker or others. The work or services may include anything from bonded or forced labor to commercial sexual exploitation.[1][2] The arrangement may be structured as a work contract, but with no or low payment, or on terms which are highly exploitative. Sometimes the arrangement is structured as debt bondage, with the victim not being permitted or able to pay off the debt. From Wikipedia. Do you think Barcelona is telling these kids that they'll murder their parents (coercion) if they want to leave La Masia? Or do you think that the kid has to sell his parents into slavery if he leaves because he can't pay off a debt? Human trafficking, don't make me laugh. It's all voluntary. You do know that the kids' parents can refuse (which probably happens a lot) for their kid to move to Barcelona right? And if you're comparing forced prostitution to a kid who's put into a good family (sometimes his own family can even more there) and gets top education and a chance to live out their dreams, you're insane. In the letter of the law and rules you can find fault with it. My point is that it's ridiculous they go after Barcelona when it happens at every club. There are actually bad things happening in football. Hell, giving WC to Russia and especially Qatar. How Barcelona treats kids at La Masia is not one of them. There is ONLY mutual benefit and I stand by my point that it's just some smuck in UEFA trying to damage Barcelona. They're about as corrupt as FIFA in this regard. What UEFA is doing by comparison is trying to shut down the world's coolest and most fun playground and put down some corporate investment banking building on top of it. And outside of football, this happens too, because a judge sometimes has to rule in favor of the 'bad guy' because of the rules and law that he has to follow. It's appalling. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands4015 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 04 2014 20:01 Otolia wrote: That's human trafficking and it's no better than procuring. You would be revolted to hear the same kind of business for prostitution but because it's football, it appears acceptable. It's not, and never will be. That's not human trafficking. Human trafficking is what agents do, what Barca does is no different than what many charities do. Barcelona aren't forcing anyone to come, they are simply providing opportunities. Hell players from La Masia aren't even obligated to play for Barca if they don't want to. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
La masia players should be protected by being poached from other clubs. Let them choose and not force them to play for barca but give barca the first rights to offer them a professional contract. Why should other clubs benefit from la masia and get cheap talent for free by scum tactics. | ||
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