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On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time  It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom.
I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen?
And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise
I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto.
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I can't say that I'm not disappointed but hopefully it works out for Bradley. He's arguably the USA's most important player for Brazil 2014.
Edit: I really need to try to go to some TFC games now. I bet that the ticket prices will be ridiculous though to pay for all these new players.
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On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto.
Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid
Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund
Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more.
imo  Basel is real deal.
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On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk and more... imo Basel is real deal.
hate the fact that you put man utd there, but cant disagree either. makes me cry
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On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal.
I think Bayern and Barca are in their own tier. I also think Paris can hang with most of the english teams. If ManCity wasnt so weak in CL the last years, they would be close to Bayern and Barca.
Ajax, Basel, Olympiacos and Shaktar (they lost too many important players) are not on par with the rest of the tier.
The rest seems about right.
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Well we actually beat barca once and drew AC Milan twice and Olympiacos is doing quite well this CL so why wouldn't they be on thr same tier.
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I was messing around with my last comment btw All my mates and me love Yaya and miss him.
He did leave because Busi got his spot at the starting eleven, and Busi is the best midfielder at Barça nowadays, but still wish he stayed.
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On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal.
atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it
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On January 10 2014 07:21 RvB wrote:
Well we actually beat barca once and drew AC Milan twice and Olympiacos is doing quite well this CL so why wouldn't they be on thr same tier.
Sorry but who is we ? I put Barca in there cause they are probably the most dominant team in club history. Till some clasico I think last year they had a span over sth like 6 or 7 years where they had more possesion every half in every game. I think this is some of the most amazing statistics ever in football.
Bayern were in 3 of the last 4 CL finals and they look even stronger this year.
Olympiacos I dont know. I just think that the greece league is just not as comp. Sure they can upset some teams at home, but they are not on par with the other teams on the list.
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League doesn't matter since we are comparing cl results anyway right?
Like in the last 5-6 years we advanced from cl groups 3 times and one other time we didn't with 10 points, I think these are pretty solid results.
Also we can knock out man.u this season for a top8 finish, huehuehue.
#believe #davidmoyesforever
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On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it
What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico? Atletico won a European trophy 18 months ago (actually 2 if you count the supercup).
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On January 10 2014 08:17 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico?
a scarier roster and I personally would guess that they would win 8/10 games agaist atletico. also they were 1st in PL for some weeks which is not too shabby, while atletico mostly played vs pretty bad teams. I think putting them in a group with psg juve etc still overrates them slightly.
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On January 10 2014 08:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 08:17 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico? a scarier roster and I personally would guess that they would win 8/10 games agaist atletico. also they were 1st in PL for some weeks which is not too shabby, while atletico mostly played vs pretty bad teams. I think putting them in a group with psg juve etc still overrates them slightly.
How is Arsenal's league form relevant to a CL/EL-only ranking? Again, Atletico won the Europa League and UEFA Supercup in the last 18 months.
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I just cant see atletico winning vs a big Team. I think a High PL standing somewhat proves that the Team plays good Football and does so consistently. Maybe you're right and i would love to see atletico do well but i just cant put them in the same tier as Bayern barca while i feel Arsenal at least stands a chane. cant wait for cl to start again!!
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On January 10 2014 08:21 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 08:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 08:17 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico? a scarier roster and I personally would guess that they would win 8/10 games agaist atletico. also they were 1st in PL for some weeks which is not too shabby, while atletico mostly played vs pretty bad teams. I think putting them in a group with psg juve etc still overrates them slightly. How is Arsenal's league form relevant to a CL/EL-only ranking? Again, Atletico won the Europa League and UEFA Supercup in the last 18 months.
I think beating Bayern at their own ground, and qualifying from the "group of death" is pretty elite.
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On January 10 2014 08:47 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 08:21 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 08:17 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico? a scarier roster and I personally would guess that they would win 8/10 games agaist atletico. also they were 1st in PL for some weeks which is not too shabby, while atletico mostly played vs pretty bad teams. I think putting them in a group with psg juve etc still overrates them slightly. How is Arsenal's league form relevant to a CL/EL-only ranking? Again, Atletico won the Europa League and UEFA Supercup in the last 18 months. I think beating Bayern at their own ground, and qualifying from the "group of death" is pretty elite.
Qualifying from the group of death was extremely impressive, but everyone knows that Bayern switched off in the second leg last season (just as they did against Agueroless Man City last month). Still, I don't understand how that is more of a claim than actually winning trophies. I believe Arsenal belong in tier 1 but my point was that Atletico have a very strong claim to be there as well. If anything, Man City should be in tier 1.5 having only reached the CL knockout stage once, with no Europa success.
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So who else supports David Moyes for the Premier League's manager of the month December award?
Out of the 4 nominated managers, he arguably gave us the most entertainment.
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