EPT2013 - 2014 Football Thread - Page 517
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time  It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Simeone is awesome, but I feel it's a bit like Mourinho, this kind of coach build some "commando" team and they win with their mindset more than with tactics. It works on the short term but it's exhausting for the players and the coach. I'm not sure how many more games they can win by one goal scored with determination more than domination in the game :s But it would be nice for la Liga to have a different winner for once x) | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote: Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
But yeah their squad is like Liverpool's at the moment, would give anyone a good game with the best 11 on the pitch but would struggle if they had any sort of injury issue. Good team though and if they keep people fit and like you say Willy and lose in say the Copa Del Rey they might be able to cause a few eyebrow raises from people in this years competition. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On January 10 2014 00:38 WillyWanker wrote: But are you taking into account the opponents? I am, I think Argentina would have strolled through Portugal's qualifiers even without Messi. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea... would probably be around 50/50. The rest are weaker IMO. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:03 Ysellian wrote: I am, I think Argentina would have strolled through Portugal's qualifiers even without Messi. Argentina players would've got murdered by Pepe and Bruno Alves. B.Alves definitely not worse than Pepe in terms of injure people. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:13 Mensol wrote: Argentina players would've got murdered by Pepe and Bruno Alves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMzV4x_aGe0 B.Alves definitely not worse than Pepe in terms of injure people. haha well Portugal become a completely different side against teams who play more freely/attacking. They have butchers in defense, tireless fullbacks, Moutinho in midfield and with Ronaldo's speed they would give anyone a tough time. But those aren't going to help against teams fielding 10 defenders. | ||
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TArujo
Portugal1687 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:12 Pandemona wrote: Will you think that way when Aguero Yaya and Negredo spank Barca? That would change if they do. But don't forget Negredo comes from La Liga, we have destroyed him oh so many times xD Yaya is the best midfielder in the PL and is truly scary... he had to go because he wasn't good enough for our midfield lol | ||
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sharkie
Austria18636 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:34 Salteador Neo wrote: That would change if they do. But don't forget Negredo comes from La Liga, we have destroyed him oh so many times xD Yaya is the best midfielder in the PL and is truly scary... he had to go because he wasn't good enough for our midfield lol and what if yaya destroys barca in the CL now? can mancity fans say barca wasnt good enough for yaya? XD yaya just didnt fit into the system | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:34 Salteador Neo wrote: That would change if they do. But don't forget Negredo comes from La Liga, we have destroyed him oh so many times xD Yaya is the best midfielder in the PL and is truly scary... he had to go because he wasn't good enough for our midfield lol Yeah, for once I agree with sharkie, yaya is imo top4 holding midfielder in the world along with de rossi, vidal and alonso. Bousquets just plays better for barca since he is a la masia product. The same thing can be said for ibra, he's an amazing player but even the youngster tello fits better in barca than him. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6274 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote: Yeah, for once I agree with sharkie, yaya is imo top4 holding midfielder in the world along with de rossi, vidal and alonso. Bousquets just plays better for barca since he is a la masia product. The same thing can be said for ibra, he's an amazing player but even the youngster tello fits better in barca than him. I'd say Busquets is one of the most important players at Barca if anyone is underrated in that team it's him. Also pande let's not forget what truely makes Ronaldo carrying his team against Sweden is the massive pressure there was on those games. Portugal just has to qualify even looking at their team. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
and zlatan is also better than every non-messi barcelona striker/forward. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On January 10 2014 03:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: yaya is #1 holding midfielder. I'm not sure why there wasn't room for him at barcelona, but it is not because they currently have anyone better than him for playing the role he's currently playing for city. and zlatan is also better than every non-messi barcelona striker/forward. You missed the point entirely. It's not about individual worth but how well can they play the barca style, ofc ibra is better than alexis-pedro but he's kinda useless since he can't adapt well to the system as shown in his year in cataluna. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
basically saltador's post is the one I disagreed with. | ||
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