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On January 09 2014 18:23 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 18:14 smr wrote:
Every single German club wanted Frankfurts Sebastian Rode. Guess who got him! Correct, it's Bayern. Hope he get's some playtime but I'm a bit worried for him. I dont get this transfer at all. sure its easy money for rode and bayern weaken their opposition, but except that what for?
Eintracht Frankfurt isn´t really an opponent for Bayern, Dortmund would be only interested if Gündogan leaves and Kehl retires and Leverkusen doesn´t necessary need him.
I think for Bayern he is the poor mans Thiago. He is cheap now but in two or three years he would cost 10Million+. He is a solid talent but i think he will be on loan after half a season because on his best position there are potentially Martinez, Kroos, Thiago, Lahm an depending on the system also Götze, Müller or Shaqiri.
The only reason i could see is that Schweinsteiger leaves next summer and Lahm isn´t beeing transformed into a midfielder by Guardiola and stays as right cb. But even then i don´t think Rode has the skill or the reputation to replace Schweinsteiger even on a rotational level.
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So it's pretty much for nothing lol
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Bayern should just buy Messi already. It is clearly spending money for the sake of spending, why not just do it one go 
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On January 09 2014 18:06 Mafe wrote:
Correct if I'm wrong, but with respect to a football transfer, if you say something like "x spent y million dollars/euros/whatever for a deal", this normally only refers to the transfer fee.
Also in business sense it's most likely not correct to say "x have spent y million dollars" when in fact you will pay most of it as salaries distributed over several years.
I think it might be more precise to say something like "Toronto FC plans to invest 100 million $ over the next five years".
Anyway, for now, this looks very much like a win-win deal for all parties directly involved; but I'm not sure if it benefits Bradley and the US national team in the long run.
No, you're right. American media report on it that way because the average fan that doesn't know European leagues doesn't even understand the concept of paying money to "buy" a player. Plus this makes Toronto look like they are splashing crazy cash right away.
edit: I don't mean its idiotic, American sports just don't work that way. Trades and Free Agency are the common method of swapping teams, and a trade will rarely have a small cash amount included in it.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Transfer News
Chelsea star Juan Mata is set to be offered a route out of Stamford Bridge with Real Madrid interested in signing the Spanish international.
Manchester United's Nemanja Vidic is on the list of Barcelona's targets for next season.
Juventus officials have announced Andrea Pirlo will soon renew his contract.
AC Milan are making steps towards trying to sign Porto's Fernando.
Barcelona have finalised the signing of Borussia Monchengladbach's Marc-Andre ter Stegen on a contract until 2018 and the goalkeeper will move to Spain in the summer.
Fluminense have signed striker Walter, who is joining on a two-year loan deal from Porto.
Liverpool have joined Arsenal in the race for Real Madrid's Alvaro Morata but the Primera Liga giants are not expected to negotiate.
Manchester City are set to step up their interest in Benfica midfielder Nemanja Matic.
Barcelona are eyeing shock move for Manchester United's Nemanja Vidic.
Newcastle United and Stuttgart are chasing Lyon's Gueida Fofana but the French club want to agree a new contract.
Arsenal and Liverpool are set for a £15million battle to nab hitman Alvaro Morata
Jermain Defoe looks set to join Toronto on Monday after Roy Hodgson assured him he could still go to the World Cup.
Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester United, Atletico Madrid, Bayer Leverkusen and Wolfsburg want to sign Basel's Mohamed Salah.
Eintracht Frankfurt are not in the race to sign former player Jermaine Jones, whose contract at Schalke expires in the summer.
Tottenham misfit Erik Lamela is a transfer target for Juventus with Mirko Vucinic plus cash on offer.
Manchester United could make a £20m swoop for Claudio Marchisio from Juventus
Hull are ready to sign West Brom striker Shane Long in a £5million deal after agreeing a fee on Wednesday.
Liverpool and Arsenal are in talks with Anderlecht to sign Cheikhou Kouyate.
Barcelona teenage striker Antonio Sanabria has turned down Arsenal for a move to Roma.
Fulham lead the chase to sign Everton's John Heitinga this month and resurrect his World Cup dream.
Sunderland are closing in on Argentine defender Santiago Vergini.
Southampton have rejected a bid from West Ham for England striker Rickie Lambert.
Arsenal will have to stump up a £1.7million loan fee to land Real Madrid striker Alvaro Morata.
Fiorentina have refused to rule out move for Man City flop Stevan Jovetic.
Everton are ready to sign Aiden McGeady as the Spartak Moscow winger is set for a medical after contract terms were sorted out.
Newcastle will have to wait to land £12m-rated midfielder Remy Cabella - he wants to stay at Montpellier until the summer.
Swansea have denied holding talks with Blackpool over Tom Ince.
Crystal Palace's Jimmy Kebe is to join Leeds on loan.
News
Some Manchester United players will see their salaries slashed if David Moyes' strugglers fail to qualify for next season's Champions League.
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is chasing a "dream" World Cup spot - after finally ending his five-month injury nightmare.
Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra could all leave Manchester United in a summer purge by David Moyes with Javier Hernandez, Nani, Anderson, Alex Buttner and Anders Lindegaard likely to join them.
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On January 09 2014 20:01 Pandemona wrote:Transfer News
Chelsea star Juan Mata is set to be offered a route out of Stamford Bridge with Real Madrid interested in signing the Spanish international.
Surely Madrid do not need Juan Mata, unless they offload Isco. I think Mata is going to stay put.
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Yeah Di Maria makes no sense. Mourinho has been using him in that position for most of the season and it hasn't worked out at all. Btw that squad is just beyond ridiculous to be honest, but scoring 5 goals isn't going to help if they are conceding 6 with their shitty defense They need Kompany, Thiago Silva or someone to be a boss in defense for them to really be able to beat Bayern.
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Afaik Messi got 2 team trophies (Liga and SuperCopa) and 1 Individual trophie (Golden Boot for the highest scorer in Europe).
Also Ribery got the CL MVP and Ronaldo got the most goals in CL, not sure if those qualify as trophies.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Super Copa is a glorified friendly to make the start of the season, same with DFB Pokal cup or something the German equivalent.
Individual awards also don't count.
Even though the Super Cup and World Club Cup are the same at least they are a european/world based friendly competition xD
This is a sky sports picture though reason not everything is listed. Like Assists would be useful to know due to all 3 players are mainly played as attacking players not just Strikers/Forwards xD
Also the biggest thing to sway this for me is the way Roandlo single handedly beat Sweden to take his national team to Brazil. I mean Ribery as lots of French people said during the games and before is Ribery doesn't turn up that much internationally. And well we all have this discussion about Messi every time Argentina play xd
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Not sure what that "don't count" means Don't count for that picture? Because they sure count when thinking who is the best player in the world, at least in my head.
To get the Super Copa Barça had to beat Atlético in two games, it was quite intense, close and not friendy at all xD Atlético is a CL finalist level team this year.
Bayern had to defeat a few terrible teams to get the Fifa World Cup, after winning the CL.
Last comment on the picture: Oh yeah I understood the reasons, was just pointing out how dumb they are lol
As you said, a less biased picture should probably include total minutes played, assists and goals per minute (for those too lazy to calculate like me).
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Sure thats your opinion on it but i'll happily say the Community Shield in England the same as the Super Copa is a glorified friendly to make the start of the season.
That is the reason they are not on their anyway xD
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On January 09 2014 21:25 Pandemona wrote:
Sure thats your opinion on it but i'll happily say the Community Shield in England the same as the Super Copa is a glorified friendly to make the start of the season.
That is the reason they are not on their anyway xD
I'd say they're all glorified friendlies, but the circumstances can change depending on the teams. A community shield between City and United, or Tottenham and Arsenal is still an exciting match, which both teams will take seriously. The trophy doesn't count for much, though. In England it's slightly worse I feel, as lots of teams don't really play for the cups, allowing teams like Wigan or Portsmouth to win one now and again.
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Norway28929 Posts
yeah community shield etc shouldn't really count as trophies, and individual awards are just awards.
this year it belongs to ronaldo, if they wanted to give it to a bayern player they needed to choose a different one who is not playing in a similar-ish position and who is clearly less good at that.
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kinda sad how Lahm or Schweinsteiger will never get one of these even though they both definitely deserved it at some point...
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Norway28929 Posts
yeah if Lahm was a candidate I'd be supporting him all the way, but there's no way Ribery was as good last season as Ronaldo.
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How is Jovetic a flop? He's been injured most of the time he's been at City :x
That would be funny if Real Madrid buy Mata. Sell Özil because the team don't play with a true number ten...buy Juan Mata.
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On January 09 2014 21:14 Pandemona wrote:
Also the biggest thing to sway this for me is the way Roandlo single handedly beat Sweden to take his national team to Brazil.
Why did they have to go through the playoffs in the first place? And it was "only" Sweden. I'm not trying to say that Ronaldo did nothing for his national team, but when people say that Messi hasn't shown anything with Argentina while Ronaldo has, it just makes me sad. One qualified first in a group with the likes of Uruguay, Chile or Colombia, and the other failed to finish first with Russia and Israel. Yeah he turned up for the 2 big games, but if he hadn't it would have been abnormal...
I +1 one of the last posts, if we had Lahm or Schweinsteiger instead of Ribery, there would be no discussion. But Ribery vs Ronaldo/Messi is a tough choice x)
On another note, the IFFHS gave their Clubs World Ranking: (http://www.iffhs.de/club-world-ranking/#more-33)
1) Bayern
2) Real Madrid (???)
3) Chelsea (half ???)
4) Atletico
5) Barça
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12) Dortmund (???)
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We've had this discussion before lol. Portugal have nobody upfront to aid Ronaldo, while Argentina have a front line that would be starters in any other team in the world.
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