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On January 10 2014 08:10 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 07:21 RvB wrote:
Well we actually beat barca once and drew AC Milan twice and Olympiacos is doing quite well this CL so why wouldn't they be on thr same tier. Sorry but who is we ? I put Barca in there cause they are probably the most dominant team in club history. Till some clasico I think last year they had a span over sth like 6 or 7 years where they had more possesion every half in every game. I think this is some of the most amazing statistics ever in football. Bayern were in 3 of the last 4 CL finals and they look even stronger this year. Olympiacos I dont know. I just think that the greece league is just not as comp. Sure they can upset some teams at home, but they are not on par with the other teams on the list.
Ajax... I'm talking about the games in this years group.
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On January 10 2014 10:06 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 08:47 Ferrose wrote:On January 10 2014 08:21 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 08:17 city42 wrote:On January 10 2014 08:09 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On January 10 2014 05:54 Mensol wrote:On January 10 2014 05:19 bObaZ wrote:On January 10 2014 00:50 Micro_Jackson wrote:On January 10 2014 00:39 Pandemona wrote:Yeah lol. Also that world ranking is a bit bad huh lol. I wouldn't even put Chelsea top 5 at this moment in time  It's like that website has no idea what they are doing. Atletico are good yes, but they have NOT been tested, had a woefully easy Champions League group, have not beaten any big team other than Real Madrid who had ALOT of injuries that game right? They play Barca this weekend, if they give them a good test then maybe they are worthy of a top 10 ranking in the world, but at this moment in time no where near. I would like some stats that show other wise. Don't forget they beat Chelsea in the Super Cup beginning of 2012 to then go on and fall out of Europa League at the RO32 or something? To then finish top 3 in La Liga and claim a Champions league place. They also won a Copa Del Rey in a very one sided game vs Real where i think Courtois performed like a man possessed and the bar saved them from Ronaldo xD I do concede they play very well and are drilled so very well under Simeone but to say they should be considered top 10 in the world is a big statement let alone top 5. As far as i understand they take only pure results into account which is somehow correct but obviusly not a "power ranking". The top 5 or something are not the thing but i think nobody would rate FC Basel, Atlético Mineiro, Benfica or Viktoria Plzeň higher that Arsenal, ManC/U or AS Rom. I take this personally! First how can you put Benfica in the same group as teams as Basel, Atletico Mineiro or Viktoria Plzen? And second, Benfica is better than Roma. And results prove it. Only Taking into account Champions League and Europa League, Benfica and Porto, and i think this is common knowledge, are top Tier2 European teams. They are only bested maybe by the 10 best teams in Europe. Although this year's champions league showed otherwise I don't know how, after the last years, people can still undervalue Benfica and Porto. Tier 1: Bayern Munih ,Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Atlético Madrid Tier 1.5: Paris Saint Germain, Juventus , Manchester United and Borussia Dortmund Tier 2: Napoli, Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Milan, Zenit, Basel, Galatasaray, Olympiacos, Schalke 04 , Shakhtar Donetsk, Bayer Leverkusen and a few more. imo  Basel is real deal. atletico would fit perfectly into tier 1.5 , other than that i can agree with it What makes Arsenal more deserving of tier 1 than Atletico? a scarier roster and I personally would guess that they would win 8/10 games agaist atletico. also they were 1st in PL for some weeks which is not too shabby, while atletico mostly played vs pretty bad teams. I think putting them in a group with psg juve etc still overrates them slightly. How is Arsenal's league form relevant to a CL/EL-only ranking? Again, Atletico won the Europa League and UEFA Supercup in the last 18 months. I think beating Bayern at their own ground, and qualifying from the "group of death" is pretty elite. Qualifying from the group of death was extremely impressive, but everyone knows that Bayern switched off in the second leg last season (just as they did against Agueroless Man City last month). Still, I don't understand how that is more of a claim than actually winning trophies. I believe Arsenal belong in tier 1 but my point was that Atletico have a very strong claim to be there as well. If anything, Man City should be in tier 1.5 having only reached the CL knockout stage once, with no Europa success.
Yeah because winning the Europa League and a friendly is really worth shouting about. Coming from a Chelsea who actually won the Europa shit which yes is a trophy but you get it by playing weak shit teams. Last year was like the first time in years that two people from the champions league actually made it through to the final, thats how much they give a crap about that competition. Also saying Atletico won it then the super cup is very true, but then you fail to say they went out in like the RO32 or the group stage or something that same year to minnows of Europe. Again proving teams don't care about that competition. They won the Super Cup vs a fucked up Chelsea side thanks to op Falcaooooo. Right now they are a good solid team who have not been challenged yet, just a 1-0 win over Real Madrid, they play Barca this week so we will see how well they fare, personally i see them as a solid team again like a Liverpool, can compete but still have 0 squad depth to ever compete with a Bayern Barca Real Madrid City Chelsea.
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On January 10 2014 17:24 Maenander wrote:
So who else supports David Moyes for the Premier League's manager of the month December award?
Out of the 4 nominated managers, he arguably gave us the most entertainment.
entertainment for some...
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I was aware of Fergie's record but the team he took over was awful and the infrastructure now is vastly different. A year without CL could spell disaster for the club's finances. The Glazers takeover was a huge gamble that relied on success year after year.
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Kevin de Bruyne wants to go to Wolfsburg apparently.
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Transfer News
Tottenham have confirmed that Jermain Defoe will join MLS side Toronto FC at the end of February
Thibaut Courtois, on loan at Atletico Madrid, has revealed that he will talk to Jose Mourinho about his future and inform the Chelsea manager he will not sit on the bench.
Inter Milan will try once more to prise Dani Osvaldo away from Southampton, offering Fredy Guarin as part of the deal.
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has been told by Real Madrid that they will listen to loan offers of around £1.7million for striker Alvaro Morata.
Everton are interested in bringing FC Twente star Dusan Tadic to the Premier League.
Borussia Dortmund are after Arsenal's Serge Gnabry for next season as a replacement for Bayern Munich-bound Robert Lewandowski even if it would not be a like-for-like swap.
Wolfsburg are keen on Basel duo Fabian Schar and Mohamed Salah, who has also been linked with Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United.
Porto's Colombian striker, Jackson Martinez, is a target for Arsenal
Sporting will only sell William Carvalho to interested English clubs for €30m (£24.8m).
Bayern Munich have joined Chelsea in the battle to sign former Stamford Bridge player Nemanja Matic from Benfica.
Chelsea midfielder Kevin De Bruyne is heading to German side Wolfsburg for a staggering £18million.
Liverpool are looking to reignite their interest in Dynamo Kiev winger Andriy Yarmolenko
Napoli hope to beat Liverpool to the €18million (£14.8m) signing of Sevilla's Alberto Moreno.
Yohan Cabaye may quit Newcastle for as little as £6million in the summer - and the club are taking a big financial risk by keeping him for the remainder of the season.
Roberto Martinez has confirmed Everton are close to completing the transfer of Spartak Moscow's Aiden McGeady, but he won't join until the summer.
Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has insisted he's going nowhere, despite interest from Napoli.
Newcastle boss Alan Pardew has been told to place French youngsters Gueida Fofana of Lyon and Cedric Bakambu of Sochaux at the top of his wanted list.
Atletico Madrid are trying to convince Chelsea to sell on-loan goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois.
Barcelona's Antonio Sanabria would prefer to join Roma ahead of Arsenal in the summer but will make a loan move to Parma this month.
Juventus and Tottenham have opened negotiations for the exchange of Mirko Vucinic and Erik Lamela. The deal could be done in June but it has not been ruled out for January.
Chelsea must make an offer by Monday for Fredy Guarin or he will remain at Inter Milan.
Fiorentina are following Southampton midfielder Adam Lallana and they are also interested in Nemanja Vidic for June.
Inter Milan are looking for a striker and have turned their attention to the loan signing of Southampton's Daniel Osvaldo.
Alberto Gilardino has turned down an offer from Sunderland.
West Ham United's bid to sign Ishak Belfodil on loan from Inter Milan is being blocked by Parma, who have the rights to the player.
Diego Forlan's agent will have a decisive meeting with Internacional and the chances of a transfer to Botafogo have increased.
News
Andy Carroll will make his long-awaited return for West Ham at Cardiff on Saturday as Sam Allardyce plays his final card in a bid to turn around the club's season.
West Ham manager Sam Allardyce has vowed to "get angry and come out fighting" after being humiliated by Manchester City.
Rio Ferdinand has revealed he sent Real's Cristiano Ronaldo an SOS last summer to try to get him to return to Manchester United.
Fans have mocked United boss David Moyes being nominated for December's Barclays Premier League Manager of the Month award.
Manchester City striker Alvaro Negredo has told how he turned his back on the chance to team up with David Moyes at Everton 12 months ago.
John Terry has revealed how Jose Mourinho gave him the renewed belief to become a genuine Chelsea legend.
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I think De Bruyne is overhyped. He is good and all but not worth 22 Million €.
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De Bruyne is amazing and Chelsea will eventually realize what a gem they've given away.
Still, £18 million?! That's a ludicrous amount for a player that is just incredibly talented, but not on world class level just yet.
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I don't think the Morata to Arsenal thing is happening:
I feel a tingly feeling in my heart. A good one.
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On January 10 2014 19:45 Pandemona wrote:
Sporting will only sell William Carvalho to interested English clubs for €30m (£24.8m).
I've been hearing sick things about this player, but why hasn't he made more caps for Portugal?
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Yeah he came on vs Sweden in Sweden and looked fine, didn't get long enough though. Sporting top of the league though so im guessing he is doing well.
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Don't know if you happened to catch it but ITV did a cool program the other day where Roy Keane and Patrick Viera sat down to discuss their rivalry and bury the hatchet (which they kind of did). They were asked to describe SAF and Wenger. Roy Keane's first word was 'ruthless' of course said in his irish accent i.e. 'Rootless'. Patrick said 'Loyal'. Wenger backing Rosicky is a classic example. He's a good guy I reckon.
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On January 10 2014 19:57 Pandemona wrote:Hope we get that money for him  Be awesome business
You will just waste it on another attacking midfielder anyway
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It will fund the Freddy Gurain transfer which i think could be just what we need to turn our 2 holding mids into something more than just 2 players on the pitch trying to tackle and pass ;_;
omg lol GG Ian Holloway is better than Jose and Van Gaal haha;
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On January 10 2014 21:54 sc4k wrote:Robbie Savage's opinion on who should go from Manchester United. Gota say that every time I look back at the Man U squad I almost cringe at some of the players they have http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25665649
I always thought you can take the bbc serious. But this one at Nani made me laugh:
Nani: I'm surprised he got a new five-year contract. He has not scored or created a goal in eight league games this season. He's just too inconsistent and should go.
Did you know? Only five players (Wayne Rooney, Cesc Fabregas, Ashley Young, Robin van Persie and Steven Gerrard) have produced more assists than Nani since he moved to the Premier League in 2007 (43).
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
To be fair Robbie Savage isn't the brightest of buttons. He talks a good game but he is one of those ones who jumps on any stat he is given and sides with it.
Nani is a "good" player at times but he is also a bad player a lot of the times. Same with Ashley Young, i don't think of many people in the world who can deliver a set piece as well as he can, so fast and deadly. However he also dives alot and doesn't work back as well as he does going forward.
Unlike Valencia who is fucking shite at most things, but he runs around really fast for 90minutes and can make a tackle or two defensively lol.
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On January 10 2014 21:16 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 19:45 Pandemona wrote:
Sporting will only sell William Carvalho to interested English clubs for €30m (£24.8m).
I've been hearing sick things about this player, but why hasn't he made more caps for Portugal?
Short answer: he's only 21.
Long answer: Sporting have been a train wreck until collapsing financially last year. After investing in a lot of foreign players, they had to sell practically all of them and start playing with home-grown players. Having perhaps one of the top 3 academies in the world, it turned out that most of these players were actually pretty good. William Carvalho at 21 turned out to be one of the stars in the Portuguese league this year after coming back from loan in Cercle Brugge last year.
Portuguese news is claiming Rodrigo could be on the way to Zenith St. Petersburg for... 35 Million Euros. 
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