Main Card (Pay-Per-View) Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez (c) vs Antonio Silva Heavyweight: Junior Dos Santos vs Mark Hunt Light Heavyweight: Glover Teixeira vs James Te-Huna Lightweight: Gray Maynard vs TJ Grant Lightweight: Donald Cerrone vs KJ Noons
Preliminary Card (FX) Welterweight: Mike Pyle vs Rick Story Featherweight: Dennis Bermudez vs Max Holloway Welterweight: Colton Smith vs Robert Whittaker Lightweight: Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Abel Trujillo
Preliminary Card (Facebook) Welterweight: Stephen Thompson vs Nah-Shon Burrell Bantamweight: Brian Bowles vs George Roop Featherweight: Jeremy Stephens vs Estevan Payan
Poll: Who will win the main event?
Cain Velasquez (18)
78%
Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva (5)
22%
23 total votes
Your vote: Who will win the main event?
(Vote): Cain Velasquez (Vote): Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva
Poll: Who will win the co-main event?
Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos (14)
67%
Mark "Super Samoan" Hunt (7)
33%
21 total votes
Your vote: Who will win the co-main event?
(Vote): Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos (Vote): Mark "Super Samoan" Hunt
On May 21 2013 10:50 SynC[gm] wrote: I just wish the future rubber match between JDS and Velasquez won't be like the rubber match between Arlovski/Sylvia...
God, that was horrible.
hahah yeah.
I can see JDS and Cain having a 4 and 5 aswell, but maybe one of them will end up on the downward slide.
I think JDS lost his aura of "oh fuck, why am i in the cage with this guy" when Cain showed that for 20+ minutes, the guy was mortal.
Which could lead to people going head first into a fight (someone like Hunt/Nelson) and dealing with him.
I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
Hard to get excited for this one, imho. I'm gonna hold out for the Silva fight. I'ma watch every fight he is in till he finally drops that record breaking winning streak.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
Yup, just saw. Those elbows were ungodly. And if there wasn't a referee then yeah, that's how it would go. Respect to Velasquez though, he did exactly what he needed to and no more. Pulled back instantly.
Scary to think he did that to a man with these hands:
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
Yup, just saw. Those elbows were ungodly. And if there wasn't a referee then yeah, that's how it would go. Respect to Velasquez though, he did exactly what he needed to and no more. Pulled back instantly.
Scary to think he did that to a man with these hands:
I believe in their first staredown in UFC 146, the crowd was pretty shocked to see the size difference in Velasquez's fists and Silva's fists...
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
A lot of it had to do with how BF got a really nasty cut early on though. He could not see for most of the fight and if this goes in the later rounds BF has a real chance (outside of a lucky strike). Velasquez is often portrayed as this cardio machine that will not get tired but that is simply not true. The longer the fight goes on the worse his defense gets and the size of BF means that even if he is tired he can still knock you out with a single decent shot. Also if CV gets sloppy with his takedowns and lands on the bottom he will be in for a really rough night. He is still the favorite of course but this is way more interesting than Mir/Santos or Cormier/Mir. Also it would just be awesome if both BF and Hunt won just because it would send the HW division into absolute chaos.
Cain Velasquez (c) vs Antonio Silva = Cain -, hes just way to good for Silva (Knockout, first round)
Junior Dos Santos vs Mark Hunt = Hunt - Odds are in Dos Santos favor but I pick Hunt, he has a solid Chin and lethal knockout power, all it takes is one. Odds are Cigano wins, but I certainley wouldnt be suprised by a hunt knockout and its worth the gamble. (at + 325)
Glover Teixeira vs James Te-Huna = Teixeria - Hes looked super good in his last few, I cant see Te-Huna beating him (Decision)
Gray Maynard vs TJ Grant = Maynard - Should crush TJ Grant, and get the next title shot IMO. (knockout)
Donald Cerrone vs KJ Noons = Cerrone - Tougher, Cerrones Chin is sometimes suspect but he also recovers quickly, probably by decision.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
A lot of it had to do with how BF got a really nasty cut early on though. He could not see for most of the fight and if this goes in the later rounds BF has a real chance (outside of a lucky strike). Velasquez is often portrayed as this cardio machine that will not get tired but that is simply not true. The longer the fight goes on the worse his defense gets and the size of BF means that even if he is tired he can still knock you out with a single decent shot. Also if CV gets sloppy with his takedowns and lands on the bottom he will be in for a really rough night. He is still the favorite of course but this is way more interesting than Mir/Santos or Cormier/Mir. Also it would just be awesome if both BF and Hunt won just because it would send the HW division into absolute chaos.
Yeah people over-hype the Cain 'beatdown' to be honest. Once that cut had set in (which didnt take long) - Bigfoot was just getting smashed because he wasnt able to defend. I don't discredit Cains win at all, but people thinking the fight is a complete mis-match will be a bit surprised - just look at Bigfoots last fight.
I've still got Cain via Decision or TKO, but Bigfoot wont be on his ass for <5 minutes until the ref stops it.
Also ive got JDS via sub over Hunt, it almost seems inevitable.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
A lot of it had to do with how BF got a really nasty cut early on though. He could not see for most of the fight and if this goes in the later rounds BF has a real chance (outside of a lucky strike). Velasquez is often portrayed as this cardio machine that will not get tired but that is simply not true. The longer the fight goes on the worse his defense gets and the size of BF means that even if he is tired he can still knock you out with a single decent shot. Also if CV gets sloppy with his takedowns and lands on the bottom he will be in for a really rough night. He is still the favorite of course but this is way more interesting than Mir/Santos or Cormier/Mir. Also it would just be awesome if both BF and Hunt won just because it would send the HW division into absolute chaos.
Also ive got JDS via sub over Hunt, it almost seems inevitable.
I think this is what should happen, but I could see JDS ego getting the better of him thinking he can stand with Hunt. JDS might be able to stand with Hunt but it would be a terrible strategy and lower his chances at winning from like 90% to 50/50 or so. Hunt may not look the part but he is a tremendous striker with an iron chin. JDS better take Hunt seriously.
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
A lot of it had to do with how BF got a really nasty cut early on though. He could not see for most of the fight and if this goes in the later rounds BF has a real chance (outside of a lucky strike). Velasquez is often portrayed as this cardio machine that will not get tired but that is simply not true. The longer the fight goes on the worse his defense gets and the size of BF means that even if he is tired he can still knock you out with a single decent shot. Also if CV gets sloppy with his takedowns and lands on the bottom he will be in for a really rough night. He is still the favorite of course but this is way more interesting than Mir/Santos or Cormier/Mir. Also it would just be awesome if both BF and Hunt won just because it would send the HW division into absolute chaos.
Also ive got JDS via sub over Hunt, it almost seems inevitable.
I think this is what should happen, but I could see JDS ego getting the better of him thinking he can stand with Hunt. JDS might be able to stand with Hunt but it would be a terrible strategy and lower his chances at winning from like 90% to 50/50 or so. Hunt may not look the part but he is a tremendous striker with an iron chin. JDS better take Hunt seriously.
But we have really no idea how good JDS is on the ground and while Hunt is no wizard he has proven in his recent fights that he is capable of not only surviving the groundgame of the better grapplers of the division but sweeping and escaping Struves mount. JDS groundgame so far has been similar to that of Crocop in that it was effective in limiting damage and escaping but had absolutely no offense. And his offensive wrestling is an unknown, too and Hunt had good TDD last time. The only big advantage JDS has is that age has slowed Hunt down and took something out of his cardio. This is a style matchup that is really good for Hunt as JDS skillset is extremely good vs wrestlers/grapplers who couldn't take him down and fell pray to his boxing.
So hyped for this match, damn. I think JDS is going to wear Hunt down with rapid strikes but would love to see one solid haymaker from Hunt score a knockout.
On May 23 2013 04:46 Yorke wrote: So hyped for this match, damn. I think JDS is going to wear Hunt down with rapid strikes but would love to see one solid haymaker from Hunt score a knockout.
Yeah Dos Santos should work him over, but he always has the strikers chance
Khabib Nurmagomedov... this guy is going to get cut. I think even if he wins... this guy needs to be cut. He's over weight by 3.5 lbs and he shoves his opponent at a weigh in. He's just asking to get cut.
There are a few spots that have great value on this card. I feel it will be profitable.
There was a prop on Jeremy Stephens, -750 anything but submission. To imply that Jeremy gets the submission 12% of the time is utter madness. If you go through footage of his fights you will see that he shows no submission intent, his strategy is to simply fight standing up, and if the opportunity arises, he will attempt to finish a fight with strikes. This is without mentioning his opponent, who is a beast! He has a great left hook, which he times incredibly well. A great jab which he will use throughout the fight. Most importantly he has great TDD and sprawls. He won't be put in the situation to get submitted, and if he does, as mentioned above, Jeremy will simply elect to throw heat.
There is value in Stephen Thompson. I would cap him at about -275.
Gray Maynard should do well against T.J. T.J statistically has incredibly poor TDD. Gray will "Bully" his way to another title shot.
Nurmagomedov vs Trujillo is interesting. Nurmagomedov is very wild and doesn't seem to know wtf he is doing on the feet. If Trujillo can time his wild-style with uppercuts/straights he will be vulnerable. Trujillo has great defensive wrestling. He won't be put on the mat by Nurmagomedov.
I'm pumped for the fights tonight. This card is STACKED!
On May 22 2013 07:42 crms wrote: I really hate this title fight. I get why they're doing it but jesus the last time these two met it was one of, if not the most brutal beatdown in UFC history. It felt like I was watching someone get bludgeoned to death. Each time cain punched/elbowed silva his head would bounce off the mat and more blood would fly everywhere. It was one of only a handful of fights that actually made me feel uneasy.
/me hastily hunts a download
make sure you get an HD version. While it wasn't the most bloody fight, it was just savage brutality. Cain pounded on his face mercilessly. I can still hear crack sounds of the big elbows and see the blood spots on the mat as his head bounced around. I think that was the most accurate representation of someone being beaten to death in the cage.
sakuraba vs arona was pretty bad too.
A lot of it had to do with how BF got a really nasty cut early on though. He could not see for most of the fight and if this goes in the later rounds BF has a real chance (outside of a lucky strike). Velasquez is often portrayed as this cardio machine that will not get tired but that is simply not true. The longer the fight goes on the worse his defense gets and the size of BF means that even if he is tired he can still knock you out with a single decent shot. Also if CV gets sloppy with his takedowns and lands on the bottom he will be in for a really rough night. He is still the favorite of course but this is way more interesting than Mir/Santos or Cormier/Mir. Also it would just be awesome if both BF and Hunt won just because it would send the HW division into absolute chaos.
Yeah people over-hype the Cain 'beatdown' to be honest. Once that cut had set in (which didnt take long) - Bigfoot was just getting smashed because he wasnt able to defend. I don't discredit Cains win at all, but people thinking the fight is a complete mis-match will be a bit surprised - just look at Bigfoots last fight.
I've still got Cain via Decision or TKO, but Bigfoot wont be on his ass for <5 minutes until the ref stops it.
Also ive got JDS via sub over Hunt, it almost seems inevitable.
Yeah, screw cuts. Fedor would have won round 3!
I'm going with Cain by brutal G'n'P. I don't care how big Silva is, or how good his hands are...he's not going to stop the smothering wrestling game.
I hope Mark Hunt can land a big shot and get another win. He's a pretty awesome guy. JDS should, honestly, take it fairly easy. I've seen Mark Hunt make leaps and bounds on his ground game, and he always says that he does have one and he's willing to role...but I find it hard to believe it's on the same level. Who knows though, maybe he shocks the world and chokes JDS out
Turns out I'm watching this. Could somebody give me a short run down of who the favorites are and what they've done etc? Any amount of help for his UFC noob is greatly appreciated .
On May 26 2013 08:33 TheDougler wrote: Turns out I'm watching this. Could somebody give me a short run down of who the favorites are and what they've done etc? Any amount of help for his UFC noob is greatly appreciated .
Well, the main event is basically a huge underdog fighting the champion with very few people giving him (Antonio Silva) much of a chance, primarily because of Cain being a great wrestler and Silva having atrocious takedown defence, which is why their first match turned out to be a literal bloodbath with Silva on the recieving end of it. But with heavyweights come massive power and you never know when someone is going to be KOd in a single shot.
The co-main event is the match for who gets the next shot at the title, it was orginally supposed to be between Alistair Overeem and Junior Dos Santos but Mark Hunt is replacing Overeem on account of a leg injury. Junior is the ex-champion who lost his belt to Cain after having won it from Cain himself, he is regarded as the best boxer in the heavyweight division and one of the best in MMA as a whole and a very well-rounded fighter overall. Mark Hunt is a veteran of K-1 (kickboxing) and Pride (old school japanese MMA organization), with some of the hardest punches in the business and a chin made of granite. He's fought the best heavyweight has to offer for the past decade but has never been seen as one of it's greatest, mainly due to a huge weakness, which is his entire wrestling and ground game. Most people are writing Hunt off completely in this fight and while he should be an underdog, I think people may be surprised by him here.
Glover Texeira vs James Te-Huna is a Light Heavyweight fight between a lower end top 10 fighter (Texeira) and a top 10-15 fighter (Te-Huna). But rankings in this case are deceptive, because this fight is much more relevant than most fringe top 10 fights. In a division starved for new challenger for it's seemingly invincible champion (Jon Jones) Texeira and Te-Huna are two up and coming fighters who despite being in their 30s are relatively new to the UFC. Texeira especially have made quite a splash racking up some impressive wins while going undefeated in the UFC so far. Te-Huna has 2 more wins in the UFC compared to Texeira but against lesser competion and didn't win as impressively in the eyes of the masses, he also has a loss in the UFC to top 5 fighter and potential title contender Alexander Gustafsson. Both are big strong LHWs with a lot of power behind their punches, the fact that they both have shown a willingness to stand and bang for extended periods of time could mean we have a barnburner to look forward to. Ultimately Glover is going in as the favorite based off of more significant wins and a BJJ black belt to back up his striking.
On May 26 2013 08:33 TheDougler wrote: Turns out I'm watching this. Could somebody give me a short run down of who the favorites are and what they've done etc? Any amount of help for his UFC noob is greatly appreciated .
I started writing some stuff about every fight on the main card but it just got too much so I will give you a few links to some previews.
Main Card (Pay-Per-View) Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez (c) vs Antonio Silva
Edit: and don't take what the commentators say about some fights too seriously as they often have favorites and sometimes really screw up how the fights are actually going
On May 26 2013 09:28 Jockmcplop wrote: That fight was so stupid.
I enjoyed it. There's something cool about a grappler breaking the will of a tough guy standup fighter. Like Kos v Paul Daley. It was exciting at the beginning then just a clinic in domination at the end. Looked like an old school UFC fight where a rassler just held a guy for the whole fight and they couldn't do anything lol.
On May 26 2013 09:28 Jockmcplop wrote: That fight was so stupid.
I enjoyed it. There's something cool about a grappler breaking the will of a tough guy standup fighter. Like Kos v Paul Daley. It was exciting at the beginning then just a clinic in domination at the end. Looked like an old school UFC fight where a rassler just held a guy for the whole fight and they couldn't do anything lol.
I know but Trujillo just didn't fight. He had nothing. It was just a mismatch of styles IMO. I guess that's kinda like what old school UFC was all about though.
On May 26 2013 09:28 Jockmcplop wrote: That fight was so stupid.
I enjoyed it. There's something cool about a grappler breaking the will of a tough guy standup fighter. Like Kos v Paul Daley. It was exciting at the beginning then just a clinic in domination at the end. Looked like an old school UFC fight where a rassler just held a guy for the whole fight and they couldn't do anything lol.
I know but Trujillo just didn't fight. He had nothing. It was just a mismatch of styles IMO. I guess that's kinda like what old school UFC was all about though.
It wasn't just a style mismatch but ranking whise Nurma beat better opponents in at least his last 2 fights.
On May 26 2013 08:33 TheDougler wrote: Turns out I'm watching this. Could somebody give me a short run down of who the favorites are and what they've done etc? Any amount of help for his UFC noob is greatly appreciated .
I started writing some stuff about every fight on the main card but it just got too much so I will give you a few links to some previews.
Main Card (Pay-Per-View) Heavyweight: Cain Velasquez (c) vs Antonio Silva
Edit: and don't take what the commentators say about some fights too seriously as they often have favorites and sometimes really screw up how the fights are actually going
Shit... I don't want to see Colton "boring" Smith get owned again.
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Post fight press conference starts in a hour & ten minutes. I'm looking forward to that. Tonight was a EXCELLENT card! Usually I complain about the cards, but tonight truly was a stacked card. This definitely makes up for UFC 159 (multiple freak accidents throughout that night).
On May 26 2013 13:25 Khul Sadukar wrote: Just looked up Dos Santos' wife. I don't know what happened there..
bitch is ugly! Cain: 2-1 (Better wife & UFC belt) Dos Santos: 1-1 (Beat Cain, but then loss to Cain)
*edit* lol seriously JDS can do so much better. I don't know if the divorce is finalized yet, but shit JDS needs to go find himself some young 18 year old Brazil model.
On May 26 2013 13:25 Khul Sadukar wrote: Just looked up Dos Santos' wife. I don't know what happened there..
bitch is ugly! Cain: 2-1 (Better wife & UFC belt) Dos Santos: 1-1 (Beat Cain, but then loss to Cain)
*edit* lol seriously JDS can do so much better. I don't know if the divorce is finalized yet, but shit JDS needs to go find himself some young 18 year old Brazil model.
JDS' ear probably married her without JDS even knowing about it. He probably wondered why this woman followed him around all this time.
Would love to see more of Noons. Even though he got dominated and was a total mess he was battling through like a trooper. Maybe fighting at a slightly lower level the guy could produce some awesome fights i reckon... Cerrone was just awesome though, so fast and nicely timed knees and kicks.
Holy crap i have never seen Grant fight before but that guy is a monster. Took a few punches nicely and then just caught with one nice punch and just unloaded for about 30 seconds. I'm surprised Maynard lasted as long as he did.
Aww man i wanted to see Te Huna fight but i didn't really get a chance to. Teixeira just took him down, waited and that was it. It seemed pretty easy to be honest.
Dos Santos thought he had it won with that big right hand in the first. He shoulda just jumped on him. Seems to have alot of respect for Hunt. He's using his speed well though, he's in and out before Hunt has a chance to do much. Its less of a mismatch than i thought it would be though. I think Hunt really hurt Dos Santos in round two. Dos Santos has had well enough of fighting on the feet lol. I was surprised Hunt actually improved in round 2. Careful Junior lol. Junior backing out the way every time. Hunt is just unable to land anything at all really. He just can't get in there fast enough. Woah, awesome KO. He deserved it too. Hunt looked far to tired in the third.
Well that was quick. Was it over? I think so, but i'm not sure, he could have left it until Silva was really finished.Cain hit him with two coming in before Silva even had a chance to move his arm.
Honestly I felt the ref saved Bigfoot. He complained about early stoppage, but I seriously felt like Cain would of just destroyed Big foot again if the ref didn't intervene.
The stoppage was a bit early, compared to usual heavyweight standards. But really, Bigfoot got owned standing up, and it would of been much of the same had the ref not actually stopped it then. Bigfoot wasnt getting up.
Personally, I've always thought that going into that kind of a turtling position should be an automatic stoppage after 2-3 shots, it's just such bullshit to see guys doing it on purpose and forcing the other guy to throw risky shots that can easily go to the back of the head or to release their hold and go for knees to the body, which makes it 500% easier for the bottom guy to get up. If you turtle you surrender, imo.
On May 27 2013 23:51 Blondinbengt wrote: Personally, I've always thought that going into that kind of a turtling position should be an automatic stoppage after 2-3 shots, it's just such bullshit to see guys doing it on purpose and forcing the other guy to throw risky shots that can easily go to the back of the head or to release their hold and go for knees to the body, which makes it 500% easier for the bottom guy to get up. If you turtle you surrender, imo.
Well, sometimes it IS just a natural instinct to get turtle up when you're in panic mode, and the one-two seconds in the turtle position might be the difference in a fighter getting his head back on right or not...
I just think if someone's turtling up, taking the back could always be an option, or just simply grabbing the back of one's head and simply dictating where the opponent's head goes and simply punching from there...
On May 27 2013 23:51 Blondinbengt wrote: Personally, I've always thought that going into that kind of a turtling position should be an automatic stoppage after 2-3 shots, it's just such bullshit to see guys doing it on purpose and forcing the other guy to throw risky shots that can easily go to the back of the head or to release their hold and go for knees to the body, which makes it 500% easier for the bottom guy to get up. If you turtle you surrender, imo.
Well, sometimes it IS just a natural instinct to get turtle up when you're in panic mode, and the one-two seconds in the turtle position might be the difference in a fighter getting his head back on right or not...
I just think if someone's turtling up, taking the back could always be an option, or just simply grabbing the back of one's head and simply dictating where the opponent's head goes and simply punching from there...
If it's purely instinctual, wouldn't you agree that the fighter for all intents and purposes is knocked out? If a fighter isn't fully conscious 2-3 clean shots should be enough to call the fight, in my opinion.
Personally I've always leaned heavily towards stopping fights early rather than late and I absolutely go a bit far with it sometimes. But when it comes to turtling I think my concerns are valid, it's about trying to keep the lines between conscious and unconscious as clear as possible so that we can minimize the amount of bullshit referees have to deal with, like whether a fighter is consciosly turtling or doing it instinctively.
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