EPTThose who were bashing Pirelli for 2-3 stops races can be proud of themselves. They will be enjoying many races like this next season.
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mijagi182
Poland797 Posts
Those who were bashing Pirelli for 2-3 stops races can be proud of themselves. They will be enjoying many races like this next season. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On November 18 2013 21:54 mijagi182 wrote: The race was so boring... Those who were bashing Pirelli for 2-3 stops races can be proud of themselves. They will be enjoying many races like this next season. The one stop wasn't the problem its that you had to save the tyres to be able to do a one stop and couldn't ever go at top speed except for vettel who can go as fast as he likes. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Also, the predictability problem is exacerbated by DRS preventing traffic from playing a significant factor. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On November 19 2013 00:51 Zaros wrote: The one stop wasn't the problem its that you had to save the tyres to be able to do a one stop and couldn't ever go at top speed except for vettel who can go as fast as he likes. tbf Mark was also going as fast as he liked aswel the problem was he was stuck behind a car that was just as fast in a straight line and becasue the new tracks are total garbage the ONLY places you can over-take are the straights. That's why in the latter stages of the race Mark would be 1-2 tenths behind Roman and then suddenly drop back 2 seconds...and within a few more laps be right back on him. It's a combination of factors that's making modern F1 a properly boring affair. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13385 Posts
At least we have Ricciardo's move to RB as something to look forward to next year. Should be an interesting off season for engineers ad they try crack RB's dominance. | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
He's fronting to be a hard man, least he could do is act his age. On November 19 2013 07:23 baldgye wrote: tbf Mark was also going as fast as he liked aswel the problem was he was stuck behind a car that was just as fast in a straight line and becasue the new tracks are total garbage the ONLY places you can over-take are the straights. That's why in the latter stages of the race Mark would be 1-2 tenths behind Roman and then suddenly drop back 2 seconds...and within a few more laps be right back on him. It's a combination of factors that's making modern F1 a properly boring affair. What? Low top speed never hurt RedBull, neither Mark nor Vettel, before. Grosjean was simply better. On November 19 2013 00:51 Zaros wrote: The one stop wasn't the problem its that you had to save the tyres to be able to do a one stop and couldn't ever go at top speed except for vettel who can go as fast as he likes. Yea, the problem isnt that the tyres are too good. The problem is that the tyres are still not good enough. If they never have to change them, thatd be great. First of all, the skill of drivers now is a lot higher than it was during procession era. Than there are the overtaking aids. And honestly I would prefer to see the drivers absolutely push their cars all the time, even if there are no overtakes than watching f1 cars that are dangerously close to being inferior to LMPs(and maybe with the current tyres already there?) overtaking each other once or twice a race | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On November 19 2013 09:06 1Dhalism wrote: Super tired of Webber's tantrums. They are the definition of teenage angst/acting out. He's fronting to be a hard man, least he could do is act his age. What? Low top speed never hurt RedBull, neither Mark nor Vettel, before. Grosjean was simply better. Red Bulls are not known to be the fastest in straights, they are known for having the best handling and stability, thus speed, in the corners. Track design is an issue. The layout of many new tracks are by the same person, and it shows: hard-to pass slower sections followed by a long straight (where DRS is enabled) ending in a very slow corner. The problem of the new tracks is that its too hard to pass outside of the DRS zone. It's kind of sad when maneuvers like Bottas' on Gutierrez are such a rarity. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On November 19 2013 09:06 1Dhalism wrote: Super tired of Webber's tantrums. They are the definition of teenage angst/acting out. He's fronting to be a hard man, least he could do is act his age. What? Low top speed never hurt RedBull, neither Mark nor Vettel, before. Grosjean was simply better. Yea, the problem isnt that the tyres are too good. The problem is that the tyres are still not good enough. If they never have to change them, thatd be great. First of all, the skill of drivers now is a lot higher than it was during procession era. Than there are the overtaking aids. And honestly I would prefer to see the drivers absolutely push their cars all the time, even if there are no overtakes than watching f1 cars that are dangerously close to being inferior to LMPs(and maybe with the current tyres already there?) overtaking each other once or twice a race Roman was just better, What's that got to do with anything? Mark was faster and in a clearly faster car, if you watched the race or glanced at lap times Mark would at will catch right up to him but due to the delta between there straight line speeds couldn't ever make it past, and due to the garbage design of the track if your unable to do it on a straight you can't over take at all. Like I said before other than those two straights the rest of the track is almost designed to make over-taking as difficult as possible. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On November 19 2013 15:06 VManOfMana wrote: Red Bulls are not known to be the fastest in straights, they are known for having the best handling and stability, thus speed, in the corners. Track design is an issue. The layout of many new tracks are by the same person, and it shows: hard-to pass slower sections followed by a long straight (where DRS is enabled) ending in a very slow corner. The problem of the new tracks is that its too hard to pass outside of the DRS zone. It's kind of sad when maneuvers like Bottas' on Gutierrez are such a rarity. red bull have been fastest in the straights or top 3 since belgium. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
I agree about the tyres being bullshit, I hate it (as do the drivers) that it is faster to potter round at 75% than push it that little bit more. All Pirelli need to do is up the operating window then we have guys pushing, of course the RB would have smashed it even more than they have anyway but I would accept that. They deserve it for building the best car. I hope the "we" having Ricciardo to look forward to next year was sarcasm. I haven't seen that anywhere as trading one clear #2 for another makes no difference whatsoever. Next year brings new regs, Fernando v Kimi, possibly Hulkenberg getting a race winning car, exciting kids in Magnusson and Kyvat joining F1 and a clean slate for the newer teams. They are things to look forward to. | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
First, the lineup changes, new drivers, seat swaps in Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus... Second, brand new engines; V6 Turbo instead of V8. Perhaps this will break current status quo. Third, it's hard to imagine a season that could be worse. So I guess "better" is the only option. Oh, and everybody knows DRS is the greatest bullshit of all time in this sport. FIA, please burn it with fire. | ||
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GettingIt
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On November 20 2013 05:34 wingpawn wrote: Next season MUST be better than this one. First, the lineup changes, new drivers, seat swaps in Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus... Second, brand new engines; V6 Turbo instead of V8. Perhaps this will break current status quo. Third, it's hard to imagine a season that could be worse. So I guess "better" is the only option. Oh, and everybody knows DRS is the greatest bullshit of all time in this sport. FIA, please burn it with fire. This season was fine up to the point were Pirelli couldn't make tyres that didn't explode. Before the British GP Lewis and Alonso where well in the running, but as soon as they changed back to last years tyres Red Bulls performance deficit diminished and they were back to having the fastest package with Merc and Ferrari struggling to get back... To listen to Lewis on the radio having to be told when he can race is just the most offensive thing to hear, I can't imagine how it makes the drivers feel. After that race it was pretty clear how glad Mark is going to be to leave it behind. On November 20 2013 05:58 GettingIt wrote: Hey guys, I'm new to the formula 1 scene and I have been lurking this thread recently. I noticed a lot of people mentioning "tyres" could someone enlighten me on what this word means? A tire (U.S. English) or tyre (British English) is a ring-shaped covering that fits around a wheel's rim to protect it and enable better vehicle performance. We all struggle with foreign languages from time to time. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:49 baldgye wrote: This season was fine up to the point were Pirelli couldn't make tyres that didn't explode. Before the British GP Lewis and Alonso where well in the running, but as soon as they changed back to last years tyres Red Bulls performance deficit diminished and they were back to having the fastest package with Merc and Ferrari struggling to get back... To listen to Lewis on the radio having to be told when he can race is just the most offensive thing to hear, I can't imagine how it makes the drivers feel. After that race it was pretty clear how glad Mark is going to be to leave it behind. A tire (U.S. English) or tyre (British English) is a ring-shaped covering that fits around a wheel's rim to protect it and enable better vehicle performance. We all struggle with foreign languages from time to time. Making the tyres more durable won't fix that. If you make them more durable the team will make Lewis pace himself for a 1 stop. If you make them more durable again you'll probably still have people pacing themselves to stay in some kind of performance window. Or just saving fuel. You need a rule to force teams to change tyres before they're used up. This 'rule' used to be fuel stops. When you had tyres that could do 30 laps when pacing yourself but you needed to pit in 20 laps for fuel anyway then you can push as hard as you like. As an added bonus if you're refuelling anyway then saving fuel isn't as rigid, either. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On November 21 2013 16:10 Lachrymose wrote: Making the tyres more durable won't fix that. If you make them more durable the team will make Lewis pace himself for a 1 stop. If you make them more durable again you'll probably still have people pacing themselves to stay in some kind of performance window. Or just saving fuel. You need a rule to force teams to change tyres before they're used up. This 'rule' used to be fuel stops. When you had tyres that could do 30 laps when pacing yourself but you needed to pit in 20 laps for fuel anyway then you can push as hard as you like. As an added bonus if you're refuelling anyway then saving fuel isn't as rigid, either. Well even in the refueling days saving fuel was still a thing... The reason why the last race was so dull (and other a alike) is because when you get too close to the car ahead your tyres get too hot and you just destory them. With tyres that were more durable and more capable of taking that kind of wear and being still fine to race on.. Races on tracks like Austin would be much more interesting. As it has been this season it seems like the tyres are made by diffrent people every weekend and the teams have to try and learn how to get the most out of them and those that fail have zero pace... | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Go away. Make sure to come back On race day. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
On November 24 2013 02:43 Lachrymose wrote: Excited to hear how people are going to rationalise this into their "Vettel is all car" worldview. Who says Vettel is all car? Does inters mean a level playing field? | ||
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