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Formula 1 - 2013 - Page 57
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
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shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
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GTR
51583 Posts
On October 06 2013 19:32 itsdamuffinman wrote: I think the excitement for F1 in South Korea would be bigger if the curcuit would be somewhat near Seoul and easily accessible. Exactly. Korean's aren't going to travel to the middle of no where to watch a somewhat foreign sport. | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 06 2013 18:36 PoP wrote: It was his first year in a McLaren too. And considering how early he prolly wanted to leave the team, that was a great performance. First year in a McLaren is supposed to be a challenge for double WDC?  He's a formidable driver, yet it's been three years his car is like 1 second a lap faster than the opposition. Vettel fans need to accept both facts at the same time, like Redbull and basically everyone does (at least no one is denying it) I'm supposed to accept that it's 90% car 10% driver? I'm not supposed to accept anything, you guys are. I wasn't even a "fan" of Vettel until all that pathetic tifosi bullshit i read online made me very sympathetic of him. Great driver and a great guy. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 07 2013 02:35 Release wrote: I was hoping that this would have happened to vettel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8lutheieVs Is that because you're an asshole? | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 06 2013 17:53 zere wrote: Still waiting for that 25second penalty for Vettel for purpling under yellows I think Webber may have done a purple under yellows (in the middle sector), but not sure whether it was the right lap or not. The yellows did go part way through then come back in one of the sectors. Plus purple doesn't equal automatic penalty, since there can be reasons for setting a purple in a sector even with yellow flags, such as being low on fuel with good tyres. And if you show you slowed in the specific corner, then setting an overall purple sector is fine. Also, anyone else notice a presumably Pirelli guy in the pitlane almost all the time with a probe in the tarmac of the pitland near the entrance. No helmet, right on the line at the edge of the part of the pitlane where the cars go. After all the crap about everyone in the pitlane needing to wear a helmet, fines in previous races, banning cameras from the pitlane etc, seems absurd that they suddenly decide it's fine to have someone right next to the "fast" lane, while cars are coming into the pitlane, with no helmet on. I saw him there at least twice while they were showing shots of cars coming into the pits. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 07 2013 02:21 1Dhalism wrote: First year in a McLaren is supposed to be a challenge for double WDC? Not many drivers have won a WDC on their first year in a team, even world champions. He got pretty damn close at least. I'm not supposed to accept anything, you guys are. I wasn't even a "fan" of Vettel until all that pathetic tifosi bullshit i read online made me very sympathetic of him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFPBtai_Co Great driver and a great guy. What is that video supposed to prove? And no one has mentioned numbers such as 90/10. If you genuinely think Vettel would be even close to that far ahead driving a Ferrari or any other car, that's your right I guess. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1103 Posts
On October 07 2013 21:11 vdale wrote: The performance of the car was always the most important thing in Formula 1. The best drivers tried to join the best teams to win championships. People can argue all they want about who is the best driver, but it's almost impossible to compare drivers who drive in different cars and that's why in the end the championship points are all that counts. That's why the top gear lap times are the only thing that REALLY matter  ...now if we can just get Alonso to go and set a time then we will know for SURE who's the best driver... | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 07 2013 07:48 PoP wrote: Not many drivers have won a WDC on their first year in a team, even world champions. He got pretty damn close at least. What is that video supposed to prove? And no one has mentioned numbers such as 90/10. If you genuinely think Vettel would be even close to that far ahead driving a Ferrari or any other car, that's your right I guess. What are you talking about? There was a guy saying its 90% car RIGHT THERE ON THAT VERY PAGE. In the other news Vettel finally not on pole. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 12 2013 17:58 1Dhalism wrote: What are you talking about? There was a guy saying its 90% car RIGHT THERE ON THAT VERY PAGE. In the other news Vettel finally not on pole. That guy is a troll and a previously banned user. If you base your reasoning on contradicting such posts, you're gonna be right every time, but that's not going to be convincing anyone either. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
I'm not frustrated anymore. It's been four years that we've been one second behind Red Bull. We were seventh in Korea, we didn't have the pace, we arrived here five days later and we didn't expect any miracles. We expect to be between 0.8s and 1.0s behind Red Bull and we are 0.8s, so that is not a surprise or a frustration at the moment. You can feel the guy is getting fed up as fuck at not having a single chance to compete for the WDC every single year (only time he got close being when Vettel had to leave many races early). Ferrari has done such a terrible job of catching up. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On October 12 2013 18:22 PoP wrote: Alonso: You can feel the guy is getting fed up as fuck at not having a single chance to compete for the WDC every single year (only time he got close being when Vettel had to leave many races early). Ferrari has done such a terrible job of catching up. The Ferrari isn't 1 second behind every race and every year. Even this year there were races at the start of the season where the Ferrari was faster than the RB (especially in the race). He definitely could have won the WDC in 2010 and 2012, so it's just wrong to say that he had no chance to compete for the WDC every single year. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 12 2013 18:43 vdale wrote: The Ferrari isn't 1 second behind every race and every year. Even this year there were races at the start of the season where the Ferrari was faster than the RB (especially in the race). Maybe every once in a while (I also remember one race from last year) but it usually gets back to "normal" (0.7-1.0 secs behind) the race after or something. It's pretty damn consistent in average, really. He definitely could have won the WDC in 2010 and 2012, so it's just wrong to say that he had no chance to compete for the WDC every single year. He had no chances under "normal" (non luck/reliability-based) circumstances is what I meant. | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 12 2013 18:16 PoP wrote: That guy is a troll and a previously banned user. If you base your reasoning on contradicting such posts, you're gonna be right every time, but that's not going to be convincing anyone either. it's not like this is an isolated opinion. On every forum, and even booed on the podiums. If you are an Alonso fan with any sensibility you have to show respect to Vettel because this Tifosi bullshit that dominates F1 right now needs to stop. On a personal note, yes i think Vettel is #1, Ham is #2 and Alonso is #3, but then we have Button who matched Hamilton, Webber who at least in 2010 was almost on Vettels level, Massa who challenged Hamilton for title and matched Raikkonen in Ferrari, and Raikkonen who while did capitalize on Ham-Alo rivalry, did not look outmatched in 2007. And to be honest if you(not you you but in general) don't view F1 as a complete package of carbon fiber and man... You shouldnt be so vocal with your opinion at least. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 12 2013 20:01 1Dhalism wrote: it's not like this is an isolated opinion. On every forum, and even booed on the podiums. If you are an Alonso fan with any sensibility you have to show respect to Vettel because this Tifosi bullshit that dominates F1 right now needs to stop. On a personal note, yes i think Vettel is #1, Ham is #2 and Alonso is #3, but then we have Button who matched Hamilton, Webber who at least in 2010 was almost on Vettels level, Massa who challenged Hamilton for title and matched Raikkonen in Ferrari, and Raikkonen who while did capitalize on Ham-Alo rivalry, did not look outmatched in 2007. And to be honest if you(not you you but in general) don't view F1 as a complete package of carbon fiber and man... You shouldnt be so vocal with your opinion at least. All I've been saying is Vettel is an amazing pilot who's winning so easily vs other also amazing pilots thanks to his car. Which means: - put a bad driver in Vettel's position and he's gonna fail hard, - now switch Vettel with a top driver like Hamilton, Alonso or Raikkonen, and he won't win a single WDC. I believe this is a fairly objective assessment of the obvious. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
i didnt catch quali. im reading that vettel's KERS was not working. but he still managed 2nd slot ... only .174 behind webber and even larger .338 ahead of hamilton ?! | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 12 2013 20:14 PoP wrote: All I've been saying is Vettel is an amazing pilot who's winning so easily vs other also amazing pilots thanks to his car. Which means: - put a bad driver in Vettel's position and he's gonna fail hard, - now switch Vettel with a top driver like Hamilton, Alonso or Raikkonen, and he won't win a single WDC. I believe this is a fairly objective assessment of the obvious. i wasn't arguing with you, i was arguing with the other guy, and the general crowds. However your second point is definitely wrong. Alonso beat Webber in 2010, Button beat webber in 2011, and Ferrari was damn competitive in 2012. If you put a driver who's just slightly worse in redbull and you put Vettel in those Ferrari's/McLaren(although probably not the McLaren  ) he could very well have won WDC.Also on that note it's not like Alonso's Renault was anything less than the best car on the grid when he won WDC. | ||
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