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autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
January 14 2013 01:17 GMT
#161
Oh. Sorry guys I don't know all that much about how the human body works. Please excuse my noob posting
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
January 14 2013 01:26 GMT
#162
On January 14 2013 10:17 autoexec wrote:
Oh. Sorry guys I don't know all that much about how the human body works. Please excuse my noob posting

I wouldn't worry about it, I expect Eshlow and Malinor have experiences similar to mine in regards to folks posting on the internet with outlandish bf estimates only to then defend their craziness to the death. There's a lot of misinformation out there.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 01:28:21
January 14 2013 01:27 GMT
#163
You just cited something and asked a question, so there is no harm done and I didn't mean to attack you at all. I just generally felt the urge to rant about this and to create some awareness about these useless body fat debates.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
January 14 2013 03:24 GMT
#164
On January 14 2013 10:27 Malinor wrote:
You just cited something and asked a question, so there is no harm done and I didn't mean to attack you at all. I just generally felt the urge to rant about this and to create some awareness about these useless body fat debates.


Eat every 3 hours to stock the metabolic fire yo. Speed up that metabolism. (lol).
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MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
January 14 2013 05:15 GMT
#165
On January 14 2013 12:24 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 10:27 Malinor wrote:
You just cited something and asked a question, so there is no harm done and I didn't mean to attack you at all. I just generally felt the urge to rant about this and to create some awareness about these useless body fat debates.


Eat every 3 hours to stock the metabolic fire yo. Speed up that metabolism. (lol).

Bro! Bro! is this how you got so huge, hold up man I need to set my alarm for 3am to eat some chicken breasts.

+ Show Spoiler +
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9374 Posts
January 14 2013 05:33 GMT
#166
There is actually a "popular fitness girl" telling that to everyone who comes her way, using instagram and twitter as her main apporaching mediums.

Sickens me to life, and I've told everyone I can, that most of her info is outdated and it's wrong, they prefer to go with her, cause she posts pictures and adds effects and drawings to it. (wtf?).

I'm losing hope in the humanity.
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 14 2013 05:37 GMT
#167
On January 14 2013 14:15 MeShiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 12:24 funkie wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:27 Malinor wrote:
You just cited something and asked a question, so there is no harm done and I didn't mean to attack you at all. I just generally felt the urge to rant about this and to create some awareness about these useless body fat debates.


Eat every 3 hours to stock the metabolic fire yo. Speed up that metabolism. (lol).

Bro! Bro! is this how you got so huge, hold up man I need to set my alarm for 3am to eat some chicken breasts.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXO2azb3_PE


Dom Mazzeti is the best thing to come out of youtube since people figured out how to illegally download music and movies from them.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42692 Posts
January 14 2013 08:32 GMT
#168
On January 14 2013 03:42 sc4k wrote:
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On January 14 2013 02:02 KwarK wrote:
According to fitday I have calorie requirements of 3.5k daily due to cycling to and from work and mainly working on my feet doing intermittent physical activity. This seems insanely high to me, I do a bit of snacking from time to time but I don't believe I possibly could have been consuming that many calories daily in a long time. There was a while six months ago where I subsisted on vast amounts of take away pizza and obviously Christmas just happened but I think on the average day at the moment I'm on around 1200 in meals and maybe another 800 in snacks, although on some days that's a zero. Maybe due to poor tracking of my weight I'm doing shit right at the moment but then lost all my gains over Christmas but it just doesn't seem to add up.


Are you looking to lose weight or maintain? 3.5k seems very high unless when you cycle you sprint like a motherfucker for 10 minutes. Have you tried a food diary? I did one on excel for a while and realised that actually my average daily eating involves a lot more calories than I would normally have anticipated. It's a pain but it does get the job done. Hitting a ratio of like 35:35:30 in terms of protein:carbs:fat distribution.

If your goal is weight loss 2.7k cals + cycling every day and going to the gym like 2-3 times a week would probably hit the spot. Also the type of food you consume has effects on your system that do go beyond the calories. Eshlow puts loads of work into nutrition information to explain it. I find bread is the biggest perpetrator. Diet coke as well, it affects your insulin levels negatively.

Lose although through eating rather than exercise. For me managing my weight is a quality of life thing and I absolutely despise the gym so going to the gym to lose weight would be utterly pointless and unsustainable because I'll stop going asaply. On 5 or so days a week I'll cycle for 20 minutes into work and be on my feet for maybe 5 hours (of a 9 hour shift) at work including 1-2 hours of lifting and moving shit before cycling home for another 20 minutes. I put that into multiple calorie consumption things and they all concluded 3.5k or more.
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Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:11:12
January 14 2013 09:09 GMT
#169
On January 14 2013 17:32 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 03:42 sc4k wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:02 KwarK wrote:
According to fitday I have calorie requirements of 3.5k daily due to cycling to and from work and mainly working on my feet doing intermittent physical activity. This seems insanely high to me, I do a bit of snacking from time to time but I don't believe I possibly could have been consuming that many calories daily in a long time. There was a while six months ago where I subsisted on vast amounts of take away pizza and obviously Christmas just happened but I think on the average day at the moment I'm on around 1200 in meals and maybe another 800 in snacks, although on some days that's a zero. Maybe due to poor tracking of my weight I'm doing shit right at the moment but then lost all my gains over Christmas but it just doesn't seem to add up.


Are you looking to lose weight or maintain? 3.5k seems very high unless when you cycle you sprint like a motherfucker for 10 minutes. Have you tried a food diary? I did one on excel for a while and realised that actually my average daily eating involves a lot more calories than I would normally have anticipated. It's a pain but it does get the job done. Hitting a ratio of like 35:35:30 in terms of protein:carbs:fat distribution.

If your goal is weight loss 2.7k cals + cycling every day and going to the gym like 2-3 times a week would probably hit the spot. Also the type of food you consume has effects on your system that do go beyond the calories. Eshlow puts loads of work into nutrition information to explain it. I find bread is the biggest perpetrator. Diet coke as well, it affects your insulin levels negatively.

Lose although through eating rather than exercise. For me managing my weight is a quality of life thing and I absolutely despise the gym so going to the gym to lose weight would be utterly pointless and unsustainable because I'll stop going asaply. On 5 or so days a week I'll cycle for 20 minutes into work and be on my feet for maybe 5 hours (of a 9 hour shift) at work including 1-2 hours of lifting and moving shit before cycling home for another 20 minutes. I put that into multiple calorie consumption things and they all concluded 3.5k or more.


3.5k sounds about right if you do manual labour every day and cycle 40+ mins on top of that. are you tracking exactly what you are eating (with a food journal)? most of the time people underestimate just how much they actually eat.

you can try to eat less then what you are now and see if that helps. if not you are still eating too much, so cut out even more food

but again, the best way to lose weight is to track your food intake meticulously. also, maybe cut out processed carbs as those are high-ish in calories and pretty bad nutrition-wise (i.e. they dont make you feel "full").

and the good news for you is that losing weight is 80% nutrition and like 20% exercise. and I'd say you are already doing that 20% exercise
we eat less to lose weight and we exercise to look more athletic by putting muscle mass on our bones!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:56:01
January 14 2013 09:47 GMT
#170
With that amount of activity it is easily 3,5k. Could even be more depending on how much you weigh. Don't be fooled by milk cartons 'an adult needs 2000kcal a day' stuff (at least those 2k are always the frame of reference on any nutritional label in Germany). You are a young active male, that comes with some benefits.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
January 14 2013 11:42 GMT
#171
Deadlifted 310 today! It was soo fucking heavy. Form was awful, but I got through it. Really could use some coaching on my dead lifts I think.

I don't understand it, but I'm gaining weight. Up to 187, a solid 10 lbs heavier than I was a month ago. I'm being so careful about what I eat and how much. Starting to think it's just supplements packing on more muscle.

Oh well. Very proud to hit 310. Makes that goal of 350 seem not so far off.

Hitting shoulders hard tomorrow, then legs on Tuesday. Pretty eager to see where my squat max is.

Feeling so strong!
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 14 2013 13:03 GMT
#172
OK so unfortunately the third doctor could only confirm: Lateral meniscus tear, advised to not put any stress on my knee for another 2 to 3 months TT.

I am trying to build a new gym program now. I probably have to scratch DL, squat, and cleans from my current (vanilla starting strength). That leaves me with bench and press.

Candidates for replacement/additional exercises I thought about:
- pullups
- dips
- lat pulldown
- straight leg DL?
- ???

I already tried some of the seated leg / back machines last year, and they seems so incredibly ineffective On many I maxed out on the weights after 2 weeks.

Any suggestions what to add, and how to split it into 2 workouts (I really want to keep the SS routine).

I want to avoid anything involving dumbbells and cables as much as possible because of the high bro and long waiting time factor.

And all this when my low life studio is just adding powerracks, 20kg plates, and boxing nationwide
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 14 2013 13:29 GMT
#173
When I wasn't squatting and deadlifting my routine looked like this:
A: Chin-ups, OHP, Kroc rows, rehab misc.
B: Pull-ups, Bench, Ab pull down, rehab misc.

Use whatever time you've freed up for rehab stuff and stick with w/e the dr recommends.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 14 2013 13:44 GMT
#174
Damn zatic, at least you're making me feel better about my slightly aching knees :p I'd probably fall into depression if I couldn't squat at all for 3 months.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
January 14 2013 13:48 GMT
#175
Dude I am so dark right now and have been for a week. I haven't gone this long without exercise in years - and now this will go on for another 3 months TT. Putting together a replacement workout now so I can get out of this hole of terrible mood.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 14 2013 13:55 GMT
#176
Just focus on goals you wouldn't have otherwise that are more upperbody related. like a muscle-up.

holy crap I forgot.

I got three muscle-ups for the first time last night!! Meant to post when I got home :DDD
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 14 2013 14:21 GMT
#177
Lost 4 kg in the past 3 weeks due to vacation...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 14 2013 16:09 GMT
#178
On January 14 2013 22:03 zatic wrote:
OK so unfortunately the third doctor could only confirm: Lateral meniscus tear, advised to not put any stress on my knee for another 2 to 3 months TT.

I am trying to build a new gym program now. I probably have to scratch DL, squat, and cleans from my current (vanilla starting strength). That leaves me with bench and press.

Candidates for replacement/additional exercises I thought about:
- pullups
- dips
- lat pulldown
- straight leg DL?
- ???

I already tried some of the seated leg / back machines last year, and they seems so incredibly ineffective On many I maxed out on the weights after 2 weeks.

Any suggestions what to add, and how to split it into 2 workouts (I really want to keep the SS routine).

I want to avoid anything involving dumbbells and cables as much as possible because of the high bro and long waiting time factor.

And all this when my low life studio is just adding powerracks, 20kg plates, and boxing nationwide


Do you know if the tear is in the red zone or white zone?

What I would suggest is IF it doesn't hurt to get on the a recumbant bike or other type of cycling thing and just do extremely light resistance for 30-60 minutes.

This will help significantly if the tear is in the red zone because it's vascularlized and getting blood flow for healing there (as long as it's not aggravating the injury) will help a lot.

If it's in the white zone it will still help because it's circulating synovial fluid which has nutrients in it but it will be slower.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15328 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 16:16:56
January 14 2013 16:16 GMT
#179
On January 15 2013 01:09 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 22:03 zatic wrote:
OK so unfortunately the third doctor could only confirm: Lateral meniscus tear, advised to not put any stress on my knee for another 2 to 3 months TT.

I am trying to build a new gym program now. I probably have to scratch DL, squat, and cleans from my current (vanilla starting strength). That leaves me with bench and press.

Candidates for replacement/additional exercises I thought about:
- pullups
- dips
- lat pulldown
- straight leg DL?
- ???

I already tried some of the seated leg / back machines last year, and they seems so incredibly ineffective On many I maxed out on the weights after 2 weeks.

Any suggestions what to add, and how to split it into 2 workouts (I really want to keep the SS routine).

I want to avoid anything involving dumbbells and cables as much as possible because of the high bro and long waiting time factor.

And all this when my low life studio is just adding powerracks, 20kg plates, and boxing nationwide

Do you know if the tear is in the red zone or white zone?

What I would suggest is IF it doesn't hurt to get on the a recumbant bike or other type of cycling thing and just do extremely light resistance for 30-60 minutes.

This will help significantly if the tear is in the red zone because it's vascularlized and getting blood flow for healing there (as long as it's not aggravating the injury) will help a lot.

If it's in the white zone it will still help because it's circulating synovial fluid which has nutrients in it but it will be slower.

Actually it isn't exactly a tear but more like a crushed / squeezed meniscus. Doc said symptoms and treatments are very similar, but it should actually heal quicker and with less complications than a tear.

I have no idea what red or white zone is, but the doc said maintaining / improving blood flow and circulation would be really beneficial, so probably red?

I wanted to try cycling anyway, thanks!
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
January 14 2013 16:47 GMT
#180
A: Chin Ups, Bench Press, Dumbbell Rows
B: Overhead Press, Pull Ups, Dips

That's what I would do. throw in an ab exercise in the end when you feel like it. Hanging Leg Raises and Dragon Flags are my favorite ones, ab-wheel if you have access to it. For rehab I have no clue, but cycling also sounds intuitively right to me.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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