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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44171 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 13:59:03
January 15 2013 13:56 GMT
#201
Didn't realise it was so low until I counted it today. That includes half a kilo of lean beef mince which is a fair bit imo. Although now I run the numbers it'd take a year and a half to eat an entire cow by myself at that rate which seems a long time. Once the bananas are ripe I'll start having two a day which will be another 200 calories.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 15 2013 14:59 GMT
#202
On January 15 2013 01:16 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 01:09 eshlow wrote:
On January 14 2013 22:03 zatic wrote:
OK so unfortunately the third doctor could only confirm: Lateral meniscus tear, advised to not put any stress on my knee for another 2 to 3 months TT.

I am trying to build a new gym program now. I probably have to scratch DL, squat, and cleans from my current (vanilla starting strength). That leaves me with bench and press.

Candidates for replacement/additional exercises I thought about:
- pullups
- dips
- lat pulldown
- straight leg DL?
- ???

I already tried some of the seated leg / back machines last year, and they seems so incredibly ineffective On many I maxed out on the weights after 2 weeks.

Any suggestions what to add, and how to split it into 2 workouts (I really want to keep the SS routine).

I want to avoid anything involving dumbbells and cables as much as possible because of the high bro and long waiting time factor.

And all this when my low life studio is just adding powerracks, 20kg plates, and boxing nationwide

Do you know if the tear is in the red zone or white zone?

What I would suggest is IF it doesn't hurt to get on the a recumbant bike or other type of cycling thing and just do extremely light resistance for 30-60 minutes.

This will help significantly if the tear is in the red zone because it's vascularlized and getting blood flow for healing there (as long as it's not aggravating the injury) will help a lot.

If it's in the white zone it will still help because it's circulating synovial fluid which has nutrients in it but it will be slower.

Actually it isn't exactly a tear but more like a crushed / squeezed meniscus. Doc said symptoms and treatments are very similar, but it should actually heal quicker and with less complications than a tear.

I have no idea what red or white zone is, but the doc said maintaining / improving blood flow and circulation would be really beneficial, so probably red?

I wanted to try cycling anyway, thanks!


Red zone is basically the vascularized portion of the meniscus... typically more on the outside of the half moon portions. White zone is the non-vascularized part closer to the actual joint articulations.

That's good though.. no tear and if it's crushed/squeezed then very light activity should help.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
January 15 2013 16:07 GMT
#203
On January 15 2013 22:56 KwarK wrote:
Didn't realise it was so low until I counted it today. That includes half a kilo of lean beef mince which is a fair bit imo. Although now I run the numbers it'd take a year and a half to eat an entire cow by myself at that rate which seems a long time. Once the bananas are ripe I'll start having two a day which will be another 200 calories.

Well 1500 kcal is still a very small number
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
January 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#204
I had 1400 in one desert the other day. That strikes me as really low.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#205
just saw this on another thread, and holy shit, can anyone confirm this is A-OK to eat? I mean, it looks heavenly delicious!

On November 01 2012 06:11 Plexa wrote:
[image loading]

Breakfast

nom


On November 01 2012 06:19 Plexa wrote:
Just iceburg lettuce and a dressing made from
- bacon fat
- egg yolk
- redwine vinegar
- sugar
- mayo

CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 15 2013 17:19 GMT
#206
Yes, that look like a proper, low-carb meal :p

I love bacon, but goodness it gets old quickly.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 15 2013 17:20 GMT
#207
I'm worried about the dressing, it contains sugar and mayo and all weird shit. fuck
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
January 15 2013 17:20 GMT
#208
On January 16 2013 02:17 funkie wrote:
just saw this on another thread, and holy shit, can anyone confirm this is A-OK to eat? I mean, it looks heavenly delicious!

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 06:11 Plexa wrote:
[image loading]

Breakfast

nom


Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 06:19 Plexa wrote:
Just iceburg lettuce and a dressing made from
- bacon fat
- egg yolk
- redwine vinegar
- sugar
- mayo


IIFYM
oh, hai
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 15 2013 17:23 GMT
#209
Oh, didn't see the sugar. Well, like HH said, if it fits your macros.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 15 2013 17:48 GMT
#210
I pretty much don't give a fuck, I probably could do without the sugar.

Gonna try this shit soon. Friday, 2kg of bacon here I gO! :D
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
January 15 2013 18:35 GMT
#211
On January 16 2013 02:48 funkie wrote:
I pretty much don't give a fuck, I probably could do without the sugar.

Gonna try this shit soon. Friday, 2kg of bacon here I gO! :D

2kg of bacon? That is almost enough for a 5 lbs bacon shake!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
January 15 2013 18:41 GMT
#212
Haha furious pete, reminds me of when I used to be a Miscer..........
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 15 2013 21:29 GMT
#213
TL;DR - bitching about how life sucks.
+ Show Spoiler +

Can't back squat, deadlift, or Bent-Over row because of my hip (still. It's been 5 months, and it's maybe 30% better).
Can't Front Squat or Leg-Press because of what I am now being told by my doctor is probably a small Hernia (the "burning/stabbing" sensation I've been getting along the crease of my hip for the last three years. It's recently gotten much worse, and pains me for days afterwards instead of just minutes like it used to).
Can't clean & jerk, snatch, or OHP because of both of these things.
Can't do seated OHP because I have literally passed out attempting to lift anything over 100 lbs doing that lift.
Can't swim because of the hip. Can't run because of old knee problems.
Can't play rugby because of the hip, to a much lesser extent the knee, and because I'm graduating and not good enough to make a men's team.

I can still bench, do chinups, body-builder type isolations, row, and... well, that's about it.

I can't afford to see anyone for the hip, and I doubt that will change (it will probably get worse) in the next 3-5 years. I don't even know anything about the other problem, so I have no idea how to begin fixing that.

I'm just so pissed... lifting is probably the thing that I most look forward to about any ordinary day. Lifting. nutrition, and general fitness are the things that I most enjoy researching, talking about, or thinking about in my free time. It's the most positive change that I have made to my life in the last five years, and it feels like it's completely impossible for me to do. I alternately want to scream/break/throw things, and then drink/pass out/never leave my room again. It's an absolutely terrible feeling. Complete pity-party of a post here, ruins the atmosphere of the thread (so I spoilered it), and I know anyone who reads it is just going to tell me to man the fuck up, but I had to put it somewhere, and this seemed like the only place it could go. I'm sure I'll figure it all out and feel better eventually, but for now I'm just angry.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 22:12:58
January 15 2013 22:03 GMT
#214
No 'man-up' comments from me for sure. You cannot make every problem with some tough strength-blog-language go away. Injuries especially are just extremely frustrating.

Still, try to focus on the things you can do and improve them. Being pragmatic about stuff is one of the most useful skills to have (I should know, I didn't have it all my life, and it takes a fuckton of energy to 'learn' that). Bench Press, Chin/Pull Ups, Dips are all worthwhile time investments. Maybe some Dumbbell Overhead Presses, Seated Cable Rows aren't half bad as a substitute for Barbell rowing, and then just give those biceps' of yours some love with some Curls. In the long run, when you can hopefully Squat and Deadlift again, these things will have some carry-over (i.e. Upper Back for Front Squats, and everything for Deadlifts).

Good luck mate!
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
January 15 2013 23:06 GMT
#215
I feel for you man. I know exactly what you mean. Make the most of the time you have now working towards other goals. I know fitness is your thing. I transitioned to bodyweight stuff while I wait for my hip and I can't wait to beast out a planche or manna in front of friends
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44171 Posts
January 15 2013 23:44 GMT
#216
Find a passionate lifting noob and become their mentor. Lift vicariously through them.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 16 2013 00:40 GMT
#217
Try focusing on rehab movements I suppose. At least then you can track progress.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
January 16 2013 01:05 GMT
#218
On January 16 2013 08:44 KwarK wrote:
Find a passionate lifting noob and become their mentor. Lift vicariously through them.

Hah, I can see that working on your mental health. Coacing someone is an amazing thing if there's results to observe. Too bad that in fitness you need a shitton of expertise to actually coach somoene effectively.

Anyway, I hope you get better, Phyre.
oh, hai
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 16 2013 01:46 GMT
#219
time to laugh at funkie bro's!


did 60kg 5x5 and still felt some discomfort, fuck my fucking life and these damn doms, still, I pulled through some right-glute pain and did my workout.

dips: 10-10-10-12-15
Press: 60kg 3 x 5

I hate being like this, I can't wait to go back to insano funko mode.

fuck yeh.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 01:59:49
January 16 2013 01:47 GMT
#220
God damn, don't you just hate when you are fucking pumped with energy, lift the shit out of your warm up sets, crush a legit weight and go over your normal reps...then tweak a muscle because you cranked up too quickly...preventing any further lifts on that muscle group for the day. Ffffuuuuuu.

On January 15 2013 18:03 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 05:18 sc4k wrote:
On January 14 2013 22:03 zatic wrote:
OK so unfortunately the third doctor could only confirm: Lateral meniscus tear, advised to not put any stress on my knee for another 2 to 3 months TT.


This is awful news . God damn zatic, shitty luck. Especially if you were going to get your boxing going somewhere, I fucking love boxing! Really want to get back into it myself but haven't got the cash for classes. Man I hope your rehabbing goes smoothly. I was stopped from doing mma for a year just when I was going to be entering into amateur tournies because of a tear in an intercostal rib muscle.

I love (kick)boxing as well. Probably the most fun regular sport I ever did. However I stopped again last year anyway because it's really not much fun at all if I can't practice at least 2 times a week. Also the boxing club membership was too expensive for the little time I had for it due to traveling.

Nah the worst part about the injury is that I am skiing addict. I basically survive all year just so I can finally go skiing in the winter, and now it's January and I am looking at a 3 month injury. Fucking depressing. Already canceled two more planned skiing trips TT. I have spent thousands this season already in equipment and canceled trips, all for nothing


Oh sugar are you kidding me. Well all I can say is that I offer my sympathies...and hope that you save up anything you haven't spent and then spend it on a TWICE as long a ski holiday next time. Stay strong bro...

On January 15 2013 21:29 KwarK wrote:
Currently on a low carb diet. I previously subsisted on pasta with meat, veg, sauce etc in fairly vast portions. In the last week I've basically just cut the pasta out. As of yesterday I also stopped carrying my wallet so I couldn't buy snacks and I regretted it really badly. I made sure I had a bottle of squash in my bag so I could drink whenever I got really peckish but I got really irritable and pissed at the world by the end of the day so maybe there was some blood sugar thing going on. Equally, yesterday was pretty shit so maybe that was it. I bought some bananas today to take to work as a snack over the next few days but I need to wait for them to get ripe first.

Daily intake from my meals at the moment is roughly
1338 cal
120.6 protein
93.5 carb
of which 30.2 sugar
51.6 fat
of which 18 saturated
11.3 fibre
1.95 sodium

which is what I ate yesterday

Today I went shopping and picked up a bag of sweets (1200 calories in the bag apparently) while there which I'll try and spread over the next few days. Think that might be my leak. Leaving my wallet behind again today though so even if I eat 600 cals of sweets today I'm still under 2k.


Yeah that's too low (btw impressive self control, at 1.3k calories I am tearing my hair out). When I say I recommend under 3k I also recommend 2k minimum! If you undereat it can be as bad as overeating for a few reasons. Also, when I did a food diary I found my mood pretty accurately correlated with my fruit and veg intake. If you try to hit 3 minimum, 5 as a goal...it does wonders in my experience. Go to Lidl for fruit if you can, best supermarket value and the fresh stuff is pretty good. The more you can stay away from sweets the better but psychologically you have to have some perks in your diet...a lot of bodybuilders or gym regulars have 'cheat days' where you eat well for 6 days, then eat like a fucking pig for 1. No holds barred 4k calories all you can eat buffet pro-gorging. For myself every day is a cheat day huehuehue.

Also if you are ever stuck at work then go to Sainsburys and get one of their bags of cooked chicken. Pretty good value and so much better than going to Greggs.

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