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Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
January 31 2013 14:51 GMT
#501
I was wondering what nutricions/supplements you guys would advice for someone who lives at his parents house (so isn't in control of the food at lunch/dinner/...) and is trying to gain muscules/full body strenght with a 3 day split program.
Second place is just a fancy term for loser
Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
January 31 2013 15:18 GMT
#502
You'd have to be more specific than that about your diet. The most general advice I could give you is to invest in protein powder if you think you're not getting enough of that daily (around 1g per pound of bodyweight).
Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
January 31 2013 16:39 GMT
#503
oh sorry
What exactly do you need to know?
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 31 2013 17:16 GMT
#504
Belgium food what is it? sausages?
Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 17:21:35
January 31 2013 17:20 GMT
#505
sausages are english no? =)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_cuisine =D
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Luxae
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel232 Posts
January 31 2013 18:09 GMT
#506
Well, if your diet is balanced enough you don't really to supplement anything specific. Do you eat meat, dairy, fruits and vegetables on a regular basis?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
January 31 2013 20:45 GMT
#507
In other words, just list an average day of what you eat.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
January 31 2013 22:07 GMT
#508
i have a problem with my liver, so i basicly am "forced" to eat healthy =)
I don't know the exact name of the problem, never really thought about naming it (or looking for it) until now ..
But i basicly can't eat any fastfood/spicy food/chemical food (candy)/BBQ/...
and no alcohol and caffeine.


So for that an average week would be:
lots of paste, rice and potatoes with dry steak(no sauce), tuna, vegetables (all sorts) and bread with chicken
Second place is just a fancy term for loser
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
January 31 2013 22:42 GMT
#509
On February 01 2013 07:07 Juice! wrote:
i have a problem with my liver, so i basicly am "forced" to eat healthy =)
I don't know the exact name of the problem, never really thought about naming it (or looking for it) until now ..
But i basicly can't eat any fastfood/spicy food/chemical food (candy)/BBQ/...
and no alcohol and caffeine.


So for that an average week would be:
lots of paste, rice and potatoes with dry steak(no sauce), tuna, vegetables (all sorts) and bread with chicken


While a little bit boring, there's really nothing wrong with that. So long as you're regularly getting fruits and vegetables you shouldn't have any vitamin problems - so long as you're getting enough of each macronutrient (carbs/fat/protein) there isn't much else to do. 95% (or more) of supplements out there are complete bullshit.

if you're not getting enough protein, get some protein powder. If you're not getting enough sun, take vitamin D. If you know your diet is deficient in some mineral (I supplement with magnesium, for example) then add that. It's a good idea for most people to take fish oil as well, unless you're getting a lot of fish in your diet, in which case you don't need it. If you just need more calories, the answer is milk. If you want more energy for your workouts, eat more carbs and get better sleep. If your liver has that severe of a problem, then pretty much every supplement marketed towards bodybuilding, or gym performance is out the window for you. Even if they don't have caffeine, they're loaded with a bunch of other shit that's going to be much worse.
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
January 31 2013 23:33 GMT
#510
@dannystarcraft Thats a killer upper body workout! Why no lower body though?
dannystarcraft
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States179 Posts
February 01 2013 00:40 GMT
#511
On February 01 2013 08:33 autoexec wrote:
@dannystarcraft Thats a killer upper body workout! Why no lower body though?


Thanks man.

I am trying to figure out when I can lift. I have classes on MW that are all day and there isn't a clear gym time. Maybe I will start Sunday Friday or something!

Any recommendations for what I should do there.
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
February 01 2013 00:44 GMT
#512
On February 01 2013 09:40 dannystarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 08:33 autoexec wrote:
@dannystarcraft Thats a killer upper body workout! Why no lower body though?


Thanks man.

I am trying to figure out when I can lift. I have classes on MW that are all day and there isn't a clear gym time. Maybe I will start Sunday Friday or something!

Any recommendations for what I should do there.


I'm not really sure. I'm no expert on these forums You should check out the weightlifting thread and maybe the people there can help some.
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
February 01 2013 01:12 GMT
#513
Did my first pistol squat today
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:29:48
February 01 2013 01:24 GMT
#514
On January 31 2013 23:48 Deadeight wrote:
Dump decline imo, it's pretty useless and doesn't give you anything flat bench and dips aren't already doing better. Replacing it with incline wouldn't be a bad idea.


All the stuff I have seen in terms of which exercise is more useful for the body says the decline bench beats the horizontal. Technically if you are looking to improve muscle mass levels then incline and decline bench are the best. Horizontal is really for the powerlifter inside us all who wants to post a number.

Also, Dannystarcraft, it's really nice to see someone who's obviously new to the gym put together a workout that's chock full of the important compound exercises. Bench and pullups are awesome. On to the criticism- if you are doing that workout 3 times a week you are really unbalanced and selling your body short. You are missing shoulders, lower back and legs entirely.

My advice is to learn how to squat and deadlift. You should start with building your strength in every area when you have first started, so...

10 mins run
5 x squats
3 x bench press
3 x dips
3 x press (a shoulder movement)
3 x pullups
5 minutes abs work

You can just do the rep ranges you are already doing if you want but what I personally would aim for is:
For the squats the first two sets should warm you up (10 reps), then go for 5-8 reps in the third set, then aim for 5 reps in the fourth and fifth. Bench should be 10, 8, 6 in terms of reps. Getting heavier of course. Dips it's okay to really just push your rep numbers as high as you can get towards 20, but you can also start hanging a weight off yourself to be able to aim for 10 reps or less. Pullups should be all about getting to 10 reps each time. If it's too easy hang a weight off yourself or do wide grip. Shoulder press go for 10, 10, 8. It's all about recording the weight that you need to be able to hit those rep ranges. When you first are hitting the gym, keeping a diary of lift amounts is invaluable.

Do that 3 times a week, and every alternating week for one of the workouts replace the squats with 3 x deadlifts. You can also squeeze in some cheeky shoulder shrugs if you are looking to start the traps on their way to growth. The squat is the daddy of gym exercises, if done correctly it works the quads, the lower back, the abs, the glutes, and a certain amount of hamstrings. When you develop your body you will want to quickly start adding supporting exercises (like calf work and hamstring stuff). Once you get confident with everything you can start taking the pullups out of one day and replacing them with more chest...or pulling out the chest and replacing it with rows.

If you want to learn how to squat then my advice is to buy Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength and read about the exercise, then look at youtube videos to see it done in action.

The goal should be to get your weights moving upwards and 'establish' your rhythm and routine in the gym. Go for 10 reps in the first and second set, 8 in the final. Once you have been doing this for two to six months (It's really a judgment call depending on how your body and weight numbers are developing) you should be ready to start splitting your gym workouts into sections of the body. You can just go to T Nation.com or bodybuilding.com and look for '3 day split' or '4 day split' and work out which you enjoy and get the best results from. Some people enjoy back and bi's, chest and tri's, legs and shoulders. Or pushing on one day (squat, press) and pulling on another day (hamstring curls, pullups, rows).

Most important thing you do is eat correctly. If you are 6 1 and 207 you probably have some excess body fat, unless it's all muscle. If you want to take things seriously and improve your body you'll need to get good nutrition, that means not too many or too few calories in the day, not too many processed foods and sugar, and enough protein for your body to grow (150-210 grams a day). The good thing about starting out is that you are really doing a lot of these exercises to get some strength and get used to them. You aren't going to be hardcore building immediately. So you can afford to modulate your calorie intake to lose weight if that's your goal and this gym routine will still be completely useful. To lose weight aim for around 2500-2700 calories a day (no less). To gain weight head up to 3.5k-3.7k. Eat veggies and fruit too.



dannystarcraft
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 03:05:04
February 01 2013 02:55 GMT
#515
On February 01 2013 10:24 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 23:48 Deadeight wrote:
Dump decline imo, it's pretty useless and doesn't give you anything flat bench and dips aren't already doing better. Replacing it with incline wouldn't be a bad idea.


All the stuff I have seen in terms of which exercise is more useful for the body says the decline bench beats the horizontal. Technically if you are looking to improve muscle mass levels then incline and decline bench are the best. Horizontal is really for the powerlifter inside us all who wants to post a number.

Also, Dannystarcraft, it's really nice to see someone who's obviously new to the gym put together a workout that's chock full of the important compound exercises. Bench and pullups are awesome. On to the criticism- if you are doing that workout 3 times a week you are really unbalanced and selling your body short. You are missing shoulders, lower back and legs entirely.

My advice is to learn how to squat and deadlift. You should start with building your strength in every area when you have first started, so...

10 mins run
5 x squats
3 x bench press
3 x dips
3 x press (a shoulder movement)
3 x pullups
5 minutes abs work

You can just do the rep ranges you are already doing if you want but what I personally would aim for is:
For the squats the first two sets should warm you up (10 reps), then go for 5-8 reps in the third set, then aim for 5 reps in the fourth and fifth. Bench should be 10, 8, 6 in terms of reps. Getting heavier of course. Dips it's okay to really just push your rep numbers as high as you can get towards 20, but you can also start hanging a weight off yourself to be able to aim for 10 reps or less. Pullups should be all about getting to 10 reps each time. If it's too easy hang a weight off yourself or do wide grip. Shoulder press go for 10, 10, 8. It's all about recording the weight that you need to be able to hit those rep ranges. When you first are hitting the gym, keeping a diary of lift amounts is invaluable.

Do that 3 times a week, and every alternating week for one of the workouts replace the squats with 3 x deadlifts. You can also squeeze in some cheeky shoulder shrugs if you are looking to start the traps on their way to growth. The squat is the daddy of gym exercises, if done correctly it works the quads, the lower back, the abs, the glutes, and a certain amount of hamstrings. When you develop your body you will want to quickly start adding supporting exercises (like calf work and hamstring stuff). Once you get confident with everything you can start taking the pullups out of one day and replacing them with more chest...or pulling out the chest and replacing it with rows.

If you want to learn how to squat then my advice is to buy Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength and read about the exercise, then look at youtube videos to see it done in action.

The goal should be to get your weights moving upwards and 'establish' your rhythm and routine in the gym. Go for 10 reps in the first and second set, 8 in the final. Once you have been doing this for two to six months (It's really a judgment call depending on how your body and weight numbers are developing) you should be ready to start splitting your gym workouts into sections of the body. You can just go to T Nation.com or bodybuilding.com and look for '3 day split' or '4 day split' and work out which you enjoy and get the best results from. Some people enjoy back and bi's, chest and tri's, legs and shoulders. Or pushing on one day (squat, press) and pulling on another day (hamstring curls, pullups, rows).

Most important thing you do is eat correctly. If you are 6 1 and 207 you probably have some excess body fat, unless it's all muscle. If you want to take things seriously and improve your body you'll need to get good nutrition, that means not too many or too few calories in the day, not too many processed foods and sugar, and enough protein for your body to grow (150-210 grams a day). The good thing about starting out is that you are really doing a lot of these exercises to get some strength and get used to them. You aren't going to be hardcore building immediately. So you can afford to modulate your calorie intake to lose weight if that's your goal and this gym routine will still be completely useful. To lose weight aim for around 2500-2700 calories a day (no less). To gain weight head up to 3.5k-3.7k. Eat veggies and fruit too.





Thanks for the reply Sc4k! I appreciate your help.

I realized you were right about weak shoulders. So I am going to add military press and see how it works this Saturday (starting at 95).

Also, I forgot to mention that I do Glute-Ham Raises: just a set of 25. I know that is decent for lower back. I am not sure about the optimal number (and sets) though because when I do too many I get a sore lower back!! Thinking of going up to 3x25.

I also am working on designing a lower body day. It has been a while since I have done free weights in lower body (due to school and time constraints). So I am going to start out light. I will see how this works tomorrow (and on Sunday):

Friday – Sunday (Lower Body)
Main Lifts:
• 3x5 135 Power Clean (Sunday Only)
• 5x5 135 + 10x Squat
• 5x5 185 + 15x Deadlift (Friday Only)
Endurance:
• 1x50 Body Lunches
• 1x50 Prisoner Squats
Auxiliary:
• 3x10 45 One leg Ham Curls
• 3x10 225 245 265 Standing Calf Raises

Edit:
I know that these numbers for lower body look really low, but I am trying to stay low to make sure I still have my old technique in these exercises. I have time, and there is no need to rush.

Edit 2: ^^
Also, I run to the gym and back. About a 5 minute run each way. I can add time onto it though.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
February 01 2013 03:37 GMT
#516
okay man looks good
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
February 01 2013 05:43 GMT
#517
@sc4k I've actually always heard that decline is the waste of time/vanity lift - it has a shorter range of motion when compared to flat/incline bench because of the relative positioning of the body, so it allows you to use more weight, but it's mostly triceps doing the moving. It doesn't hit the chest or shoulders any better (and possibly much worse) than the flat/incline, whereas the flat is a better chest workout and the incline a better shoulders workout. Military press and dips are obviously even better than incline in most cases - but they're also hard to do well after benching.

@dannystarcraft 25 GHRs? fucking beast mode.
ragnasaur
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States804 Posts
February 01 2013 06:02 GMT
#518
I made that stupid POS punching bag bleed yestarday.
usually the bag kicks MY ass, BUT NOT THIS TIME WOOOO
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 06:39:21
February 01 2013 06:35 GMT
#519
Trained at the once legendary Sayre park weightlifting club. Great facility with enthusiastic members but ultimately a bunch of old lifters stuck in their ways passing it on to younger lifters. Was told the most inane shit like I should close grip bench to work on my jerk and wear a power lifting belt while I squat because it will make me stronger than my normal belt. Did a lot of nodding and agreeing while ignoring everything I heard. Hit 130/160 and then nailed 162 (pr) Cj but the platforms are old and slick and I slipped out of it. It's really difficult to go for maximal weights with people yelling at you about how hard you need to pull it when I'm used to level toned phrases of speed and relaxation. Good practice for the big stage I guess. Went for pr back squat at 211 at the end and barely missed it. I wanted it so bad I drove until my legs were shaking and couldn't support it.

I don't know what it is I'm doing but I literally am hitting pr #s or nearly max at least every other day regardless of recovery and workload. I just feel like I'm digging deeper especially after this week.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 09:19:16
February 01 2013 09:16 GMT
#520
All I'll say about decline is that I stopped doing it after I started being able to do 15 clean good depth dips and never looked back. With a good lean and an emphasis on the chest, dips are the superior exercise, given that you can perform them correctly, with proper form, and a strength progression past bodyweight with a chain belt. That being said, I really do enjoy grabbing some heavy dumbbells and doing db decline press to mix things up every once in a while. In the end, you're probably good doing all of the above
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