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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 18 2013 04:15 GMT
#2801
I mean you are either

1) not eating enough

2) do not have progression properly built into your training schedule so that you can actually get stronger

3) aren't training your chest enough, 3 total sets of chest a week isn't very much, i assume you do more things though since you are in there 5 days a week

4) extremely extremely weak to begin with, most fully grown males who weigh over 200 lbs should be able to bench around 135 untrained

What are you actually doing in the gym these 5 days you go in?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:25:37
October 18 2013 04:23 GMT
#2802
Oh I don't do 3 total sets of chest a week, just 3 sets of bench a week. On chest day I still do dumbbell press, chest press machine, etc. 4-5 exercises a day for the muscle set typically. Just bench once.

Gym day rotation is Chest -> Back -> Arms -> Shoulders -> Legs.

I'm also under the assumption that I don't eat enough before going to the gym as I usually go immediately after work knowing I haven't eaten much recently. Trying to get in the habit of fixing that.

I feel my chest is my weakest for sure regardless though. I'm happy with every other big lift.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#2803
I haven't actually tried a bench lift higher than 135 actually, I just know I can't finish a set of 135 when I do it :S
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:31:42
October 18 2013 04:29 GMT
#2804
Best way to increase strength rapidly and take advantage of quick neural gains as a novice is to do more sets of fewer reps at higher weight. Doing a 3x8 split when you don't really have much muscle and don't really have a great mind-muscle connection to speak of can be just spinning your wheels. I'd put bench first in a more typical 5x5 strength emphasis with fewer total exercises. You want to use weight that is challenging and focus on getting as many good, challenging reps in as you can to improve your muscle activation.

It's also possible that your physical set-up and form for the bench isn't very good. If you just went in without knowing much, figuring that all you had to do was move the bar up and down off your chest you might not be tight, with proper lever arm angles and form, which would result in your progress being hindered.

edit: I find that taller people with longer arms are especially prone to form problems when starting out*
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:39:00
October 18 2013 04:38 GMT
#2805
Won my uni's BP competition :D

Opened 140kg, other guy did aswell, then benched 150kg, other guy did aswell.

I was gonna go for 155 on the third, but the other guy asked me we both do 160kg to try uni's all time record, but we both missed. I won cause I was 82kg and he was 85.
I am really happy with results cause they moved the bench to the center of the gym (where machines are) and the floor was slippery as fuck, no rubber mats or anything, like my legs slided after I arched so I pushed 140/150 with pure chest strength. For nationals I'm gonna do 160++ for sure.
It's also quite a feeling to lift with 100+ ppl cheering, powerlifting meets here usually involve 20 competitors + 20 relatives in a mostly silent manner.
Plus bragging rights obviously.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:41:01
October 18 2013 04:39 GMT
#2806
Thanks for the feedback IgnE - got chest day tomorrow coincidentally heh.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 18 2013 06:15 GMT
#2807
On October 18 2013 12:21 IgnE wrote:
What's a roid split?

Just what i like to call the traditional bb split.

Leg day
Chest day
Back day
Shoulder day
Arm day
Chest day

IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 18 2013 06:24 GMT
#2808
I generally think novices should stick to an upper/lower or full body split. Two reasons for this are that 1) novices aren't incurring as much muscular damage, nor are they incurring as much strain on their nervous system because they just aren't capable of lifting weights as heavy as advanced trainees and 2) novices benefit from lifting the same muscle groups 1.5x or 2x as often as they would on a regular bb split because they get to practice the movements
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 08:37:35
October 18 2013 08:36 GMT
#2809
On October 18 2013 15:15 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 12:21 IgnE wrote:
What's a roid split?

Just what i like to call the traditional bb split.

Leg day
Chest day
Back day
Shoulder day
Arm day
Chest day


Despite everyone hating on lolroid splits here and everything related to bodybuilding splits, I've gained WAY more muscle mass from doing hypertrophy back work for 3 months then from deadlifting 440 pounds for a single. I agree that all good programs should at least have some strength work, though.

Also I agree with Igne that you should just do an upper/lower/rest/upper/lower/rest/rest split if you're just starting out.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 18 2013 08:51 GMT
#2810
On October 18 2013 17:36 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 15:15 ShadeR wrote:
On October 18 2013 12:21 IgnE wrote:
What's a roid split?

Just what i like to call the traditional bb split.

Leg day
Chest day
Back day
Shoulder day
Arm day
Chest day


Despite everyone hating on lolroid splits here and everything related to bodybuilding splits, I've gained WAY more muscle mass from doing hypertrophy back work for 3 months then from deadlifting 440 pounds for a single. I agree that all good programs should at least have some strength work, though.

Also I agree with Igne that you should just do an upper/lower/rest/upper/lower/rest/rest split if you're just starting out.


I love bodybuilding splits. Although I gained the most mass in my life doing a DC split. I think DC is the best mass-building program out there for people who are at least at intermediate level (i.e. can bench 225, deadlift close to 400, and squat over 315).
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 18 2013 11:11 GMT
#2811
What's a DC split?
I deadlift for Aiur
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 12:21:04
October 18 2013 12:13 GMT
#2812
After some searching it looks like the keyword is doggcrapp? lol

I'm interested in comments on this:
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005/07/this-is-why-to-dc-stretch-extreme.html
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
October 18 2013 12:44 GMT
#2813
On October 17 2013 13:00 Snuggles wrote:
Guys I don't know how I should feel about the biggest guy at my gym curling at the squat rack... Like this dude is a goddamn bear, and he curled at my precious squat rack. This world is so messed up.


Squat in the curl rack and complete the cycle
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
October 18 2013 13:11 GMT
#2814
On October 18 2013 21:13 mordek wrote:
After some searching it looks like the keyword is doggcrapp? lol

I'm interested in comments on this:
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005/07/this-is-why-to-dc-stretch-extreme.html

Ahh yeah, I've seen references to doggrapp before but never really looked into it.That article is interesting, I kinda skimmed through it but I have no idea if it's BS or not.
I deadlift for Aiur
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
October 18 2013 18:17 GMT
#2815
On October 18 2013 22:11 BenKen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 21:13 mordek wrote:
After some searching it looks like the keyword is doggcrapp? lol

I'm interested in comments on this:
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005/07/this-is-why-to-dc-stretch-extreme.html

Ahh yeah, I've seen references to doggrapp before but never really looked into it.That article is interesting, I kinda skimmed through it but I have no idea if it's BS or not.


I don't know if the extreme stretching itself works. I've done it during DC and I've not done it during DC. I do know that when I did DC for a year or two I shot up from ~205lbs to ~230 while keeping my bodyfat around ~12% at 5'11". Like I said, I think it's the best pure mass builder around for intermediate lifters and above.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 18 2013 20:40 GMT
#2816
On October 19 2013 03:17 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 22:11 BenKen wrote:
On October 18 2013 21:13 mordek wrote:
After some searching it looks like the keyword is doggcrapp? lol

I'm interested in comments on this:
http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005/07/this-is-why-to-dc-stretch-extreme.html

Ahh yeah, I've seen references to doggrapp before but never really looked into it.That article is interesting, I kinda skimmed through it but I have no idea if it's BS or not.


I don't know if the extreme stretching itself works. I've done it during DC and I've not done it during DC. I do know that when I did DC for a year or two I shot up from ~205lbs to ~230 while keeping my bodyfat around ~12% at 5'11". Like I said, I think it's the best pure mass builder around for intermediate lifters and above.

Rest-Pause training is amazing for mass building, but DC isn't the only style of training to recommend that. As for the rest of the routine, I don't have any experience with it, so I'm not going to say anything.

As far as only benching 135, I'm just about the same height (and finally getting to the same weight) and it took me two years to bench 200 for a single. That was doing almost exclusively SS followed by a weekly progression thing. Any time I tried to push it higher or faster, I ended up with an injury. Even now, 4 years since I started lifting my best bench is only 190 for 5x5. Bench is hard.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 20:48:38
October 18 2013 20:46 GMT
#2817
fuck this shit. im getting out of bed and doing another 30 mins stretching at least. thanks phyre

ps, using 20kg weight balanced on one knee to provide additional force in ankle stretching is AMAZING. literally 6x better than anything i've done without it

pps, i bought some sick super-flat shoes today. was wearing my powerlifting heels everywhere for the last year; putting on these new flat soles is gonna help my ankles soooo much
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 18 2013 21:20 GMT
#2818
So I have two new squat videos. One is at 95 lbs and the other is at 140. I still don't feel that good about my form, but I think it's getting better. I tried really hard to keep my chest up, but I still lack the mobility to keep my chest up, my body stable, and my feet pointed in at a narrower stance.



AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 21:36:29
October 18 2013 21:36 GMT
#2819
yeah when you reach the lowest point the bar still "collapses" on you due to the lack of flex'd abs and chest up I think which transitions the whole movement into the "squat-morning"

Also it's hard to tell from this angle but I think you could go even narrower with your stance. I don't know about the others here but personally I barely go further than shoulder width when doing Highbar.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
October 18 2013 21:39 GMT
#2820
On October 19 2013 06:36 AsnSensation wrote:
yeah when you reach the lowest point the bar still "collapses" on you due to the lack of flex'd abs and chest up I think which transitions the whole movement into the "squat-morning"

Also it's hard to tell from this angle but I think you could go even narrower with your stance. I don't know about the others here but personally I barely go further than shoulder width when doing Highbar.

The stance really isn't that much wider than shoulder width (it looks pretty bad in the videos, I will admit) but I really can't go narrower. I really just don't have the mobility yet.
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