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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
I take anything said by the chaos and pain guy with a huge helping of salt, the man comes off as the worst kind of bro-science retard I could ever imagine, and he makes a pretty good impression of a guy heavy on the juice. I'll try to find my source on the heavy squats when I get a computer, only got my phone atm. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
btw that hip drive pictures were amazing LOL | ||
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 08 2013 06:54 Osmoses wrote: I thought those fishing vids were both from australia, the accent sounds the same to me :p whichever country it is, the earthworms are fucking gross. They look like centipedes, what the fuck? I take anything said by the chaos and pain guy with a huge helping of salt, the man comes off as the worst kind of bro-science retard I could ever imagine, and he makes a pretty good impression of a guy heavy on the juice. I'll try to find my source on the heavy squats when I get a computer, only got my phone atm. He's got the only lifting blog I've ever read that follows every article with more than a dozen citations. I'll admit though that he does complain on most of his podcasts that "people on the internet should take anecdotal evidence more seriously" and frankly I don't give a damn if the guy's on juice or not, the way he trains and the lifts he puts up are still impressive as hell. Plus the blog is funny =p | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
Os - yeah the ragworms shiver my spider sense, i honestly dont know if ill be able to handle them | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On September 08 2013 10:30 phyre112 wrote: He's got the only lifting blog I've ever read that follows every article with more than a dozen citations. I'll admit though that he does complain on most of his podcasts that "people on the internet should take anecdotal evidence more seriously" and frankly I don't give a damn if the guy's on juice or not, the way he trains and the lifts he puts up are still impressive as hell. Plus the blog is funny =p My problem is just that, he shows contempt for the scientific method (what citations?), preferring to cook up his own intuitive conclusions and calling anyone who might disagree a moron. Like, "the reason the romans were so strong is because they ate stew" (Not sure if serious. Plz respond) and "being a garbage man everyday makes you better at being a garbage man, therefore overtraining is a myth." You might admire his can-do fuck everything attitude because it sort of helps when lifting heavy, but he doesn't really come off as a rational, reliable source. He comes off as a meathead special child. Either way, if he is on the juice anything he might have to say about the possible non-effects of overtraining should be completely disregarded. As a sidenote, I really wish I didn't have to second guess everything strongmen gurus say because they might be on roids  Edit: just to be clear, I've got nothing personal against the c&p guy, I think he's kinda funny and I happen to agree stew is fine food, I just wouldn't take anything he says as truth. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5458 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:09 Recognizable wrote: Your back is terribly rounded. Even before you start pulling. I guess you fix this by lowering your butt, butt I'm not sure. And it's better to just drop the weight(with your hands on the bar) You can really injure yourself! Ok, I didn't want to just drop the bar, felt kind of nervous about it. About the rounded back, it feels really weird. Do you just kind of retract your scalpulas and push your back in? The pictures in Starting Strength are absolutely terrible for figuring out the correct back positioning. ![[image loading]](http://bonytobeastly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/deadlift-technique-rounding-the-back-neutral-spine.jpg) Obviously my back isn't as rounded as the first one, but I don't understand how you push your butt out and still keep a straight spine. Do you have to kind of push your back in? That feels like it would be worse for your back, but I'm no expert on biomechanics. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
So say you're sitting in your chair right now infront of your computer. Sit up straight and squeeze your abs. From my POV it feels like there's a slight arch to my back, I don't know I can't look at it without being naked with a mirror and barbell, but it will definitely be straight for the lift as long as you can squeeze that core. This I've confirmed myself with the mirrors in my gym during the lift. Even if you back feels like it's burning and giving out during the lift, as long as you squeeze and maintain that "arced" feeling in your back. If you can't maintain that form pulling and pushing the bar up then I think you should lower the weight cause bad form with deadlifts can fuck you up. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:27 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: Having the weight more on your heels allows your ass to be further "out" whilst keeping a straight back and keeping the weight closer to the midfoot. Might have to try that. I just did a bunch more deadlifts (this time dropping the weight), and I was looking at starting strength between attempts. In the book, the guy ALWAYS has a rounded back when he preps for the deadlift (as in going through the 5 steps to a decent deadlift). I'm trying to *somewhat* follow that, so I guess that's why my back rounds before the lift. I'm going to upload another video (more recent one). Once it finishes uploading I'll post. I don't think it'll be good, but I think it will be less bad. | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
@mtl your shoulders are too far in front of the bar on setup and your back isn't neutral. You are using all back to break it off the ground, you should be using more quads at the start. Arms are just ropes and along for the ride. Don't think about lifting the bar up, think about getting your hips forward and firing your glutes at the top. Legs, hips and glutes do the work, not the back and arms. Take a big breath and hold it before and during the pull. That will help brace your spine and keep it neutral. A neutral spine under load is better than a spine under load and flexion (curved). | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
(Attempt before trying to brace my core + shift weight to my heels) (Attempt after trying to brace my core + shift my weight to my heels) | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On the pull, try to drag the bar on your shins and thighs. Also, new bumpers and bar right? Mucho sexy  | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:59 BenKen wrote: Getting better mtl. On your setup, try "pulling the slack out of the bar" first. By that I mean you should already have some tension on the bar before the actual pull. Also, once you have tension on the bar and a neutral spine, then shift your weight backwards onto your heels. You should be shifted far enough back to where if you let go of the bar, you'll fall backwards. That's going to help get your shoulders back. On the pull, try to drag the bar on your shins and thighs. Also, new bumpers and bar right? Mucho sexy I've been trying to pull the bar up on my shins and thighs, just been pussying out every time. How do you get tension on the bar? Do I have to start pushing through my heels before I actually pull off the ground? Also, thanks! I got the bar a while ago (couldn't use it cause of stitches) but the bumpers just came. Gonna do my first SS workout tomorrow (hoping to pick up a bench/squat rack relatively soon, just haven't had a chance to order them). On September 09 2013 05:00 Snuggles wrote: You should get some more hip drahve action in there, really push through your heels. That way you'll really have your hamstrings and glutes working for you. I guess that pushing through my heels should fix both problems? Thanks so much for the tips. I really have never even picked up a bar before this, so I'm basically a complete noob when it comes to barbells. Idk if you guys saw the dip station/dumbbells in the pic, that's basically what I used to use before I got the bar. | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:05 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: I've been trying to pull the bar up on my shins and thighs, just been pussying out every time. How do you get tension on the bar? Do I have to start pushing through my heels before I actually pull off the ground? . Kinda, yeah. It's sort of hard to explain, but basically you don't want the bar and your body "loose" right before you start the pull. You know how when you pick up the bar the first split second everything is kinda loose, then it kind of hits the plates and then everything starts moving? You want all that stuff tight before you really pull. That's " pulling the slack out". Try to do just that, and then let go with your hands. If you are doing it right, you'll feel your momentum want to take you backwards. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
That along with keeping your core tight, your back straight, bar close to the body, and you'll have a nice compound exercise. Eventually it should be become a very swift and fluid motion, push and pull occurs at the same time no matter the weight, if it's too heavy it shouldn't be lifted. It's great that you've made a video right away from the beginning. Some people (like me) are too shy or don't have a cam recorder at all don't get around to it. | ||
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