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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20053 Posts
September 04 2013 18:40 GMT
#2241
Nice write up mordek, I might have to steal your workout and do it at least a few times a week.

On September 05 2013 02:16 tofucake wrote:
Please miss days. Your body needs rest. Over training is bad.


Haha I dont think you need rest days after stretching :-p
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
September 05 2013 20:49 GMT
#2242
I had some new found soreness yesterday right after squats.

I went up to 165lbs yesterday and the lift was not good. I'd like to blame it on the lack of sleep that day (only had 3 hours...). Going by 3x5, the lift went 5/4/3. The 5th rep on the second set just wouldn't go up so I put the bar down on the safety rack. Third set was a disaster, on the third rep I did something like a good morning to get upright after driving myself up, is that bad? As in terms of getting injured I mean, because it looked and felt very ugly. It went: push up with my legs "struggle" then turn upright with my torso, instead of that smooth firm squatting motion. Then I dropped the weight and did another set which my lower back DID NOT appreciate for the next couple minutes.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
September 05 2013 20:54 GMT
#2243
260 lbs of bumpers just got delivered to my house. Looking forward to using them :D
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19099 Posts
September 05 2013 21:16 GMT
#2244
On September 06 2013 05:49 Snuggles wrote:
I had some new found soreness yesterday right after squats.

I went up to 165lbs yesterday and the lift was not good. I'd like to blame it on the lack of sleep that day (only had 3 hours...). Going by 3x5, the lift went 5/4/3. The 5th rep on the second set just wouldn't go up so I put the bar down on the safety rack. Third set was a disaster, on the third rep I did something like a good morning to get upright after driving myself up, is that bad? As in terms of getting injured I mean, because it looked and felt very ugly. It went: push up with my legs "struggle" then turn upright with my torso, instead of that smooth firm squatting motion. Then I dropped the weight and did another set which my lower back DID NOT appreciate for the next couple minutes.

Don't blame it on lack of sleep. Blame it on lack of form. You should practice form such that it becomes instinctive, and you default to it even when fatigued or distracted. It shouldn't be something you need to consciously think about before every lift.

tldr drop weight focus on form
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
September 06 2013 00:29 GMT
#2245
Yeah, squat mornings no bueno.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
September 06 2013 02:16 GMT
#2246
On September 06 2013 09:29 mordek wrote:
Yeah, squat mornings no bueno.


As mordek said, we call those squat mornings here (because they look like a mix between a squat and a good morning) and they're the result of a couple things:

1. Weak low back
2. losing tightness at the bottom of the movement
3. sitting back too far in the descent
4. letting the center of gravity come over your toes
5. not engaging the hips to get you out of the hole.

the important thing to do to fix the problem is to think about bringing your hips forward to start your upward motion, rather than just thinking about extending your legs. You're probably not going to hurt yourself with them - I personally did them all the way from ~165 lbs up to ~235 before I realized the problem. Then I reset and fixed it... but you should fix it now, so that you don't have to reset so much.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 06 2013 07:46 GMT
#2247
I'm confused by those ques. When doing highbar, you're supposed to sit straight down, so #3 should never be an issue, but for lowbar sitting back is a que in itself, is it not?

As for #4 and #5, how does one bring one's hips forward without moving the weight over onto one's toes?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 06 2013 10:35 GMT
#2248
Girl behind me kept talked about "that hot huge guy". Turns out it's me #swag. @Osmoses I don't think you can indeed bring your hips forward without bringing the weight forward, unless you at the same time are making your back more vertical and have obscene ankle flexibility lol. Definately not a normal way of doing things.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
September 06 2013 12:38 GMT
#2249
On September 06 2013 19:35 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Girl behind me kept talked about "that hot huge guy". Turns out it's me #swag.

U so sexy. Always feels good to catch someone 'mirin.


@Osmoses I don't think you can indeed bring your hips forward without bringing the weight forward, unless you at the same time are making your back more vertical and have obscene ankle flexibility lol. Definately not a normal way of doing things.

Sure you can, Rip calls it called hip drive! + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
. Seriously though, "drive the hips forward" is just a mental cue to reinforce the idea that the hips are doing the work, not the back. It's a good cue for the deadlift too, actually. Not all cues work for everyone though, and sometimes cues don't make sense now but make sense later, or vice versa.
I deadlift for Aiur
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
September 06 2013 13:19 GMT
#2250
Thanks for the input everyone. I'll be dropping weight to train myself for the hip drive. I'm really confident that I can own 165lbs without a cloudy mind, lack of sleep I tell you! lol

My quads are still miserable after that squat session even with ample amounts of protein ;_; Going to go hard on core workouts and deadlifts today and tomorrow.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19099 Posts
September 06 2013 13:43 GMT
#2251
foam roll
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20053 Posts
September 06 2013 14:02 GMT
#2252
On September 06 2013 22:43 tofucake wrote:
foam roll


And mobilize. And foam roll. And lax ball. x1000.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
September 06 2013 15:09 GMT
#2253
I could also use a hug... before and after each time I walk up a flight of stairs at school...
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
September 06 2013 15:11 GMT
#2254
I'd be dead if it weren't for my foam roller, or at the very least unable to walk without pain.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 06 2013 15:16 GMT
#2255
That comic ends with "don't lift high", which implies lowbar :p (which seems to be going out of style)

Anyway, when I did do lowbar I found the hip drahve que to be more of a "lift your ass" thing than "shove your hips forward".

*points at ass* THIS IS WHERE WE SQUAT!
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#2256
Slacking as of late... need to keep eating more and go to the gym that third day. I've sort of stalled but at least I know why.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 06 2013 18:44 GMT
#2257
I spent like 3 months thinking I was doing 3x a week until I checked my gym's homepage statistics of my visits. Those "few and far between" times I skipped fridays to go out drinking happened every friday :p
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
September 06 2013 18:50 GMT
#2258
Clear your mind of all impurities Froadac. It is not your body that keeps you from attending the holy altars of iron, it is only your mind.

Goddammit Benken. I usually tend to stay away from spoilers and such at work but since it was a comic I clicked it to see what it was about.

Lost my shit in the middle of the office.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
September 06 2013 18:51 GMT
#2259
On September 06 2013 11:16 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 09:29 mordek wrote:
Yeah, squat mornings no bueno.

the important thing to do to fix the problem is to think about bringing your hips forward to start your upward motion, rather than just thinking about extending your legs. You're probably not going to hurt yourself with them - I personally did them all the way from ~165 lbs up to ~235 before I realized the problem. Then I reset and fixed it... but you should fix it now, so that you don't have to reset so much.

I'd disagree here. The spine isn't made to move under load, it's very important to keep it rigid. I mean it's probably less dangerous than moving your back during a deadlift because most beginners are going to be deadlifiting a lot more than they squat but still the spine is not supposed to move under load.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
September 06 2013 18:57 GMT
#2260
On September 07 2013 03:51 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 11:16 phyre112 wrote:
On September 06 2013 09:29 mordek wrote:
Yeah, squat mornings no bueno.

the important thing to do to fix the problem is to think about bringing your hips forward to start your upward motion, rather than just thinking about extending your legs. You're probably not going to hurt yourself with them - I personally did them all the way from ~165 lbs up to ~235 before I realized the problem. Then I reset and fixed it... but you should fix it now, so that you don't have to reset so much.

I'd disagree here. The spine isn't made to move under load, it's very important to keep it rigid. I mean it's probably less dangerous than moving your back during a deadlift because most beginners are going to be deadlifiting a lot more than they squat but still the spine is not supposed to move under load.


Sure, it's nota good thing to do, and if you continue to do it indefinitely it's going to result in an injury... but it's not the kind of thing where you need to drop 100 pounds from your squat and freak out about correcting the form, because you're going to paralyze yourself if you do it one more time. It's the kind of thing that you need to understand, and cue yourself properly, while you continue trying to make progress.
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