red defenders too far away...
Champions League/Europa League Thread 2012-13 - Page 181
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Pik
Germany176 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:16 Rebs wrote: Sure they are plenty of players who did that, and they were given alot of flak for it as individuals. Your accusing a whole team of not wanting to be the best anymore. Someone just outlined a list of reasons that need fixing, not all of them I agree with but largely. Believe me Ive been following this club much longer than you have and Ive seen every iteration since Van Gaal and ignoring problems and putting them down to " a subconscious lack of hunger." isnt really addressing them. Where did I say that it was only on the lack of hunger? Nowhere, again, twisting words, you're really good at that to win arguments it seems. I wrote a long post last week after the first game, listing everything that was wrong with the players, the team, the tactics, and even the managers (Rosell number 1 to go if I was god). You're the one telling me that this 'lack of hunger' doesn't exist. Well you might have been following Barcelona for longer than me (you're probably older then), but it's not even something that only Barcelona experiences. It's every champion, sometimes in their career. And if you don't consider the psychological approach in sports, then I don't understand why I'm even talking to you... Hell, it's not even about sports, it's about the human nature. You think that when you achieve millions of dollars as a salesman, for years, you will have the same will to improve and keep giving everything you have forever? And that would just be one individual. In a team you have 22 of them, they might not have the same drop as a salesman during his 40s but if you put all these small 1-2% drop together, you arrive at a point where the team cannot compete at the same level as they did years before... | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:20 Pandemona wrote: Squad depth...depth. Injuries are apart of EVERY team, everyone has to deal with them. If Messi gets injured it leaves them with just Villa. That's fine, but id rather have a youngster kicking up a starting place or rotation policy so it keeps players fresh the Messi and Villa. Why don't they need a central midfielder? Busquests Xavi Iniesta can play as a midfield 3 i agree, probs arguably the best midfield 3 in the world. But what happens when Xavi or Iniesta is injured? Who comes in? Thiago and Johnathon? Both not equipped imo to play at the top level, they need a good central midfielder. Goalkeeper they do, Valdes is leaving anyway ![]() Thiago is really good. They just need some help defensively really the squad shapes up fine if they dont have Masch and Adriano playing in the middle. Bartra is not good enough yet, but its not fair to throw him under the bus. Puyol was no great shakes in his formative years either. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:24 WillyWanker wrote: Where did I say that it was only on the lack of hunger? Nowhere, again, twisting words, you're really good at that to win arguments it seems. I wrote a long post last week after the first game, listing everything that was wrong with the players, the team, the tactics, and even the managers (Rosell number 1 to go if I was god). You're the one telling me that this 'lack of hunger' doesn't exist. Well you might have been following Barcelona for longer than me (you're probably older then), but it's not even something that only Barcelona experiences. It's every champion, sometimes in their career. And if you don't consider the psychological approach in sports, then I don't understand why I'm even talking to you... Hell, it's not even about sports, it's about the human nature. You think that when you achieve millions of dollars as a salesman, for years, you will have the same will to improve and keep giving everything you have forever? And that would just be one individual. In a team you have 22 of them, they might not have the same drop as a salesman during his 40s but if you put all these small 1-2% drop together, you arrive at a point where the team cannot compete at the same level as it was years before... Fact is, they dont win every year, they win alot, but its not like the feeling hangs around long and its not like they are winning everything under the sun the past couple of years. | ||
WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
Rosell 'This year we have not had much luck with the referees'... What a moron... He's clearly the first issue Barça should solve, but I'm dreaming I guess... | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:27 WillyWanker wrote: You just cannot win the CL every year, so if you count that out, they won pretty much everything except la Liga last year, and they corrected that anomaly this season... Add the national team titles too.... You cant, thats fine ive made that way clearer than anyone has here. but then whats drying up the motivation if your not winning it ? They won everything last year except La Liga ? Really ? | ||
Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:20 Pandemona wrote: Squad depth...depth. Injuries are apart of EVERY team, everyone has to deal with them. If Messi gets injured it leaves them with just Villa. That's fine, but id rather have a youngster kicking up a starting place or rotation policy so it keeps players fresh the Messi and Villa. Why don't they need a central midfielder? Busquests Xavi Iniesta can play as a midfield 3 i agree, probs arguably the best midfield 3 in the world. But what happens when Xavi or Iniesta is injured? Who comes in? Thiago and Johnathon? Both not equipped imo to play at the top level, they need a good central midfielder. Goalkeeper they do, Valdes is leaving anyway ![]() You need to stop playing football manager. Barcelona have Song, Thiago and Fabregas as backup midfielders. No one in the world has better backup than that, it is incredible overkill for a backup three midfielders. No team is going to have all the best midfielders in the world at once and Barcelona have 6 central midfielders who would start for an Arsenal level club and 4 who are top, top level. There's no way they need a midfielder. They need to replace Villa or keep Villa and add another player as I've said. What they don't need is a centre forward like a Falcao or a Lewandowski, because Messi is far, far better in that position than any other player in world football and those players will not sit on the bench. They need a player like Suarez or Cavani who can play from a wide position and be a major goal threat but also play through the middle if Messi is injured or they want to rest him. Alternatively they could sign a Neymar or Bale who can't really play through the middle but is still a major goal threat from wide so the other team has more to worry about than just Messi. They used to have this with Eto'o/Henry and Villa/Pedro but Villa/Pedro are extremely off form and Sanchez has been woeful since he moved there. So they need to sign 1 or maybe 2 of those kind of players depending on how much money they have and who is available. Valdes is good enough, he's not the best keeper going but he's good enough and it's not like there's loads of world class goalkeepers floating around. Just look at the problems Man Utd have had win De Gea or City with Hart. I don't see Valdes as having been worse than them. If he leaves then sure they'll need to sign Courtouis or Ter Stegen or whoever. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: You need to stop playing football manager. Barcelona have Song, Thiago and Fabregas as backup midfielders. No one in the world has better backup than that, it is incredible overkill for a backup three midfielders. No team is going to have all the best midfielders in the world at once and Barcelona have 6 central midfielders who would start for an Arsenal level club and 4 who are top, top level. There's no way they need a midfielder. They need to replace Villa or keep Villa and add another player as I've said. What they don't need is a centre forward like a Falcao or a Lewandowski, because Messi is far, far better in that position than any other player in world football and those players will not sit on the bench. They need a player like Suarez or Cavani who can play from a wide position and be a major goal threat but also play through the middle if Messi is injured or they want to rest him. Alternatively they could sign a Neymar or Bale who can't really play through the middle but is still a major goal threat from wide so the other team has more to worry about than just Messi. They used to have this with Eto'o/Henry and Villa/Pedro but Villa/Pedro are extremely off form and Sanchez has been woeful since he moved there. So they need to sign 1 or maybe 2 of those kind of players depending on how much money they have and who is available. Valdes is good enough, he's not the best keeper going but he's good enough and it's not like there's loads of world class goalkeepers floating around. Just look at the problems Man Utd have had win De Gea or City with Hart. I don't see Valdes as having been worse than them. If he leaves then sure they'll need to sign Courtouis or Ter Stegen or whoever. Yea that is pretty accurate, the problem is, Sanchez was supposed to be the goal scoring winger but that hasnt worked out and Pedro/Tello havent had it against the big teams. | ||
WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:30 Rebs wrote: You cant, thats fine ive made that way clearer than anyone has here. but then whats drying up the motivation if your not winning it ? They won everything last year except La Liga ? Really ? Supercopa, Copa, Club World Cup... Yeah everything... The CL was close, and like you said, you can't win it every year. + European Championship for 75% of the team... | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:33 WillyWanker wrote: Supercopa, Copa, Club World Cup... Yeah everything... The CL was close, and like you said, you can't win it every year. lol Supercopa and CWC, give me a break. So winning frill trophies dampens your motivation to try and win the most important competition ? Sorry Im just not seeing it. | ||
WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 02 2013 06:37 WillyWanker wrote: I edited. AND the European Championship for most of the players in the starting 11. Sure, that's nothing x) Anyway, you seem to be out of bullets on the initial subject, so I'm going back to bed. yeah thats what it is.. goodnight | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
The Fuck O_O Barca went down 0-7 in total? That's just... what? Really? I mean... come on. ![]() | ||
Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
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dnosrc
Germany454 Posts
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Aegon I
Canada133 Posts
1. Centre back: yes... Barca needs at least one very top class centre back with strong physical presence... (Puyol can never be the old Puyol, Mascherano is not the class that I mean, Marc Barta needs time...) 2. Tello is better than any other forwards in Barca, except Messi... Pedro is ok... but he lacks physical strength. And, ofcourse, by now Villa should know that his exit door is open... 3. Barca needs a BIG Monster midfielder, like Yaya Toure. Xavi is aging... Cesc is slow... Iniesta, Thiago and Busquets are ok... but overall they lack the steel, the strong physical presence that show their ability to kick the opponent's ass. | ||
Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 02 2013 07:47 Aegon I wrote: Anatomy of Barca humiliation: 1. Centre back: yes... Barca needs at least one very top class centre back with strong physical presence... (Puyol can never be the old Puyol, Mascherano is not the class that I mean, Marc Barta needs time...) 2. Tello is better than any other forwards in Barca, except Messi... Pedro is ok... but he lacks physical strength. And, ofcourse, by now Villa should know that his exit door is open... 3. Barca needs a BIG Monster midfielder, like Yaya Toure. Xavi is aging... Cesc is slow... Iniesta, Thiago and Busquets are ok... but overall they lack the steel, the strong physical presence that show their ability to kick the opponent's ass. 1. Yep, Piqué is respectable but Mascherano and Barta...move on. Varane >>> them. 2. For me, HELL no. Villa and Pedro are better than him. Tello, imo, is just an okay striker with pace who is no more than a Spanish Walcott. 3. They already had Yaya lol, not that long ago. They got Song because they wanted a player who has physical presence but could also be good on the ball. Good in theory, but doesn't seem to be working out well. I agree that Cesc does not make a good midfielder and does not press that well. Xavi does but he is aging and you can't rely on him to put in a defensive shift for 90 minutes. Busquets is just a shit but he is a good player, good on the ball for someone with at least some presence. | ||
ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Don't agree with the monster midfielder at all, (or any midfielder right now, Busquets is central to their gameplay, he's really freaking good and not going anywhere). | ||
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